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Who cares? If you had persistent storage with adequate DRM you'd be able to plug the whole series onto internal/external storage for unbeatable speed in access.

Both formats are hobbled by optical technology which is flaky and error prone.

FkuC me! now he's going to crap all over optical formats as a whole

FYI this isn't the BD Vs HD-DVD Vs Persistent storage, so go back to your nine disc Alien set and spread it out
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Having said that, I just got a Wii yesterday due to driving demand of the visiting nieces. Got lucky while shopping at toysrus. A line was forming quickly as soon as people found out the "Wii" was in stock. I don't think anyone will form a line for other game consoles out there. I'll be keeping it for the future visitors. I bought wii play, cross-bow training, and an nunchuck and have been much fun thus far.

The Wii phenomenon is unbelievable. Two Christmases gone, and still the must-have gadget.

I know someone who followed a Toys 'R Us truck around the city to find a Wii this Christmas. When the Balance Board and Mario Kart hit the streets, another wave of hide and seek shopping will ensue.

Is there any word on when the DVD-enabled Wii will arrive in '08? Not that it's a big deal, but I'm sure it will sell well as an all-in-one device for college dorms and children's bedrooms.
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Frank what exactly does any of that have to do with HD formats?
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The Wii has had an absolutely huge impact on the HD wars. By beating Sony into the ground and taking millions of households around the world away from the PS3, it may have altered the outcome of what would have been a much easier Blu-Ray/PS3 victory.
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The Wii has had an absolutely huge impact on the HD wars. By beating Sony into the ground and taking millions of households around the world away from the PS3, it may have altered the outcome of what would have been a much easier Blu-Ray/PS3 victory.

Pfft.. So your saying the Wii coupled with a DVD player is important to the HD discussion in here? I think you've mistaken this as a PS3 thread, and are just trying to misdirect the fact your posting is out of context in this thread. No big deal, but a mere Oops.. would suffice.
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It was not my intent to derail the thread, I just figured the gamers in this thread might know.

I do think, however, that a Wii coupled with an upscaling DVD player might knock a few hundred thousand families out of the HD market. (By adding to the 'DVD is good enough' folks)

That could have implications for both formats, as in killing them.
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It was not my intent to derail the thread, I just figured the gamers in this thread might know.

I do think, however, that a Wii coupled with an upscaling DVD player might knock a few hundred thousand families out of the HD market. (By adding to the 'DVD is good enough' folks)

That could have implications for both formats, as in killing them.

Wouldn't most people just buy an upscaling DVD player if they wanted upscaled DVD's rather than a Wii? #1 it's cheaper. I paid $60 for mine. (sony)
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Is there any word on when the DVD-enabled Wii will arrive in '08? Not that it's a big deal, but I'm sure it will sell well as an all-in-one device for college dorms and children's bedrooms.

Hm... I thought wii already had DVD drive and possible software download/upgrade may turn it into a dvd player? There's wii online shopping network and you can even purchase games and download directly.

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The Wii has had an absolutely huge impact on the HD wars. By beating Sony into the ground and taking millions of households around the world away from the PS3, it may have altered the outcome of what would have been a much easier Blu-Ray/PS3 victory.

This is so true. The PS3 was supposed to be the thunder for Blu-Ray, but the high price really killed it as game console but was/is still a great Blu-Ray player. When just looking at the US gaming market alone the units sold between Wii vs. PS3 is.... 8.2 Million vs. 3.4 Million as of 22nd of Dec. report.

What's interesting is that Wii only plays games right now. It doesn't even play SD-DVD..... LOL.
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My bad.

Oops.. Sorry that was last year.
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You're not making any sense. While the efficacy of TL51GB isn't public facing the ratification of the format is implicitly suggests that working prototypes exist.

Implicitly exists? So, what you are saying is that, your comparison is valid, because TL-51 disc existence is implied given a submission of ratification? Hmmm, if it is truly implied, then why haven't there been ANY sightings of a prototype WHATSOEVER? Implication only goes so far my friend.

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The comparison of BD100 or BD200 is poor because while prototypes may exist they haven't even been submitted for ratification to the BRD standard. So any "apples to apples" comparision still leaves you clutching for air. Thought is seems rather pointless to argue the point. Both formats top out at 1080p with <50Mbps throughput. A 100GB or 200GB is superfluous. Consumers have been taught that value comes through premium packaging. 2-Disc DVD sets.

The only "clutching" is that of an individual who "implicitly" suggests that TL-51 discs even exist. True, there is no real "apples to apples" comparison because on one hand, you don't even have a seed--in TL-51.

Furthermore, you are wrong about the throughput. Blu-ray has the higher throughput at 54 Mbps compared to HD DVD's 36 Mbps.

Also, I find it interesting that 100 GB or 200 GB is superfluous, but you have no problem touting the supposed advantages of TL-51 discs that don't even exist at this point in time. Contradict much?

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This isn't going to give way to whole series on a disc. The next "logical" step is HDD based persistent storage for storing favorite movies a la what people have on a DVR. Instant access to potentially terabytes of information.

I "like" that my Extended Edition LotR disc come on multiple discs. I like my Alien Quadrilogy and all the discs laid out. The next step for me isn't consolidating that stuff on one disc (that could be damaged) the next step is digital representation on a HDD that I can stream to multiple set top boxes in the home

For "computer guys" you guys are woefully archaic.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. What seems "logical" to you is beyond the necessary means of an average consumer. They want something tangible,...on a disc...that they know they own...much like the last X number of years in the home video market. This may change well into the future, but the time for mass consumer adoption of hard drive stored movies is certainly not now. I fully realize that is where companies like Apple and Microsoft are wanting to point the consumer, but it will take more of an effort on their part to get mass adoption...as you can obviously see in today's marketplace.
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I don't want my movies stored on HDD though. I want a physical, tangible medium. I want cases and I want a collection. You don't want everything on one disc but you want them on one disc (hard drive), that makes a lot of sense. I want mine stored on an optical format and be able to back them up on a HDD. I am less worried about a very scratch resistant and well handled blu-ray disc being damaged than I am of a HDD. Hard Drives are much more delicate. Maybe ten years from now when there is a solid state solution, then I can jump on board.

Spot on Cam'ron.
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You mean Mitt Romney, the absolute KING of flip flopping. But I digress...

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Nielsen/VideoScan Numbers ending December 16th

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I spoke to one of my customer service friends at Best Buy yesterday. She said that they have had numerous HD DVDs returned because people buy them thinking they will get HD video in a standard DVD player. It's not Best Buy's policy to accept opened media for returns, but it has been a real problem, so they are allowing to swap the discs for BDs or standard DVDs. HD DVD was a poor NAME choice for a media format.
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Consumers aren't smart, for the most part. At Blockbuster they bring up a blu-ray copy of a movie and I read off the name and format (just in case) and they ask what blu-ray is and if it will work in their dvd player. A lot of people still have no clue at all. I am surprised how many people ask if it will play in a standard player.
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I bought a 5-disc complete collector's edition HD-DVD set for $25 shipped from Amazon.

There are 3 HD-DVD's and 2 DVD's, and I beleive all the included contents are the same on BD & HD.

Bladerunner was a Christmas gift and given Amazon's timely shipping problems, the person buying the gift decided to go local even if it meant a higher price in order to be sure it was under the tree for Christmas.
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Amazon orders are hit and miss on the shipping/delivery. I'm lucky compared to most, because most of my free shipping from amazon takes about 4 to 5 days at most. Most of my media orders usually ship from about 40 miles away from where I live and the actual delivery time is about 3 working days once shipped. I had received Blade Runner on the 24th, but I've yet to see the whole movie through. Twice I had tried watching it in the bedroom and did not make it through the film.

You're a lucky man getting such a fine HDM as a gift. Most of our family and friends exchange gifts for the kids, grand parents, and wives only and I usually end up giving than receiving. Actually, I did get something this year I guess. I used the $100 gift card on Wii accessories.
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Um why do I care that the extras are in HD? I think people typically view the extras once or twice and that's it.

Did you just write that?

You didn't believe any of us earlier when we said that extras didn't matter, but now you make one of your famous turns.

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The soundtracks on a discs don't really matter. 12 languages? come on man I just need a good English track. I don't need Swahili.

No, but people speaking swahili might and it saves Warner money since they can have all localizations of HP on the same disc and manufacture them all at once.
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This is the primary reason I favour HD-DVD. I know ripping will eventually be commonplace on this format. On Blu-Ray, Sony will do their best to lock up their content for sure, and make you buy it again for the next-gen server formats.

And yet Sony's movies use the same DRM as HD DVD movies (AACS).
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Sorry, my fault. I assumed you would know better. Of course, there is no such movie master with audio encoded in 128k mp3, but there are movie masters that would sound worse than if it had been encoded in 128k mp3. Same goes for video, but that would be another topic.

If you mean bad sound then why don't you just say so?

But bad sound is not the reason why many HD DVD and BD movies only have 448k or 640k DD (or DD+ in HD DVD land) tracks - space is.

And why compress a bad master to make it even worse? (in your analogy try recompressing your mp3 into a new mp3).

You're not arguing that bad looking movies (intentionally or not) should only be released in SD, so why make a difference regarding sound?

Sound and picture should be as close to the master as possible now that we have a format to release it on.
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And yet Sony's movies use the same DRM as HD DVD movies (AACS).

Except that AACS is required for Blu-Ray and optional for HD DVD. And Blu-Ray further allows for BD+, which is even more DRM. You can't argue this one, Blu-Ray has more DRM than HD DVD, and it will be more difficult to backup, or rip to media servers than HD DVD.
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The inserts from Circuit City and Best Buy in today's paper had a buy 3 get 2 free offer. CC's offer looked to feature 14 titles while BB's was a little unclear, it showed 7 or 8 titles but the text seemed to imply that all HD-DVDs were eligible.

So far I haven't been too impressed with the BD BOGO offers as the lists have been too restrictive. I can find one that I'd be interested in but not a second title.
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Except that AACS is required for Blu-Ray and optional for HD DVD. And Blu-Ray further allows for BD+, which is even more DRM. You can't argue this one, Blu-Ray has more DRM than HD DVD, and it will be more difficult to backup, or rip to media servers than HD DVD.

We we're talking about Sony Pictures specifically and they don't use BD+.

But managed copy is part of both specs btw.
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We we're talking about Sony Pictures specifically and they don't use BD+.

And here I thought we were discussing Blu-Ray vs HD DVD. What is the purpose of picking one studio out of the lot when Frank was talking about the format as a whole. Plus, BD+ just became available recently (last few months). I would expect to see more and more Blu-Ray films to use it as time goes on.

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But managed copy is part of both specs btw.

This is true, but who knows what it means. For all we know it could mean iPod sized 320x240 backups allowed. I want full 1080p or 720p rips for my home media server. Plus this "feature" could go the way of many of the promised DVD features we never saw. I am not holding my breath.
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I don't understand this. It is clear that in the not-too-distant future, home media servers will hold movies and music and pipe them on demand into any TV in the house.

It makes far more sense to say that the movie collection should be stored on a hard drive, and the optical format is the backup.



I prefer this myself.I hate clutter and not having to worry about boxes everywhere appeals to me. If cds were downloadable in lossless I would never buy another hard copy again. With my Nano and Tomahawk portable amp and my laptop as my musical sources I only use the cd once to rip it. They just sit in there cases the rest of the time.


I have most of my movies ripped to an external hard drive. I drag them in my laptop when I want to watch them as I travel.


The thing I'm most excited about in upconversion is not dvd conversion (although it's great when you have your old movies) but the streaming type like Apple TV or my Xbox360. Just last night I streamed an avi version of the first Aliens vs Predator movie to my plasma tv using Connect 360 on my macbook. I was shocked at how good my Xbox360 made it look. HD steaming would be fantastic.


Upconversion is a big reason why people don't see the need to gamble and pick a side in this unresolved format war. A regular dvd can look pretty damn good with very cheap equipment.
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Except that AACS is required for Blu-Ray and optional for HD DVD. And Blu-Ray further allows for BD+, which is even more DRM. You can't argue this one, Blu-Ray has more DRM than HD DVD, and it will be more difficult to backup, or rip to media servers than HD DVD.

??? AACS is the standard that is on both HD DVD and Blu-ray. I haven't read anywhere where AACS is required for Blu-ray and optional for HD DVD. Could you please provide evidence of your claim? According to my knowledge, AACS, while not required per se, in terms of playback on either format, is standard on both HD DVD and Blu-ray per the specification for each standard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance...Content_System

I'm not arguing that Blu-ray has an extra layer of DRM in BD+, but it should be noted that Frank mentioned Sony specifically, who has yet to implement BD+ at all. Fox is the only studio thus far to implement BD+.

As far as coming to the conclusion that it will be more difficult to backup, I'd say that is false. It maybe more difficult in terms of engineers working with Managed Copy and BD+ to implement backups, or managed copies, but to the end consumer, backup or managed copies will be identical on Blu-ray or HD DVD.

In terms of being more difficult to "rip"...yeah its going to be more difficult to rip, as this is illegal, and that is the whole point of DRM...to prevent pirating (a.k.a. "ripping").
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??? AACS is the standard that is on both HD DVD and Blu-ray. I haven't read anywhere where AACS is required for Blu-ray and optional for HD DVD. Could you please provide evidence of your claim? According to my knowledge, AACS, while not required per se, in terms of playback on either format, is standard on both HD DVD and Blu-ray per the specification for each standard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance...Content_System

I'm not arguing that Blu-ray has an extra layer of DRM in BD+, but it should be noted that Frank mentioned Sony specifically, who has yet to implement BD+ at all. Fox is the only studio thus far to implement BD+.

As far as coming to the conclusion that it will be more difficult to backup, I'd say that is false. It maybe more difficult in terms of engineers working with Managed Copy and BD+ to implement backups, or managed copies, but to the end consumer, backup or managed copies will be identical on Blu-ray or HD DVD.

In terms of being more difficult to "rip"...yeah its going to be more difficult to rip, as this is illegal, and that is the whole point of DRM...to prevent pirating (a.k.a. "ripping").

I don't see what the fuss is all about. I thought these formats were completely cracked a long time ago.

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The guys at the Doom 9 forum are marking February 11, 2007 as the day when digital rights management was defeated on Blu-ray and HD DVD discs. It turns out that cracking the high definition disc formats was much easier than was originally thought. The processing key that can unravel the DRM on all HD DVD and Blu-ray discs has been found by a clever encryption fighter named arnezami.

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The first-reported cracks for HD DVD and Blu-ray discs were not completely effective, because each individual title had secret codes that were needed to unravel the rest of the encryption on that disc. But now this newly-found processing key is apparently the holy grail that unlocks the DRM on all HD DVD and Blu-ray discs released so far. The guy found it by simply watching his computer memory, where the secret code—which we won't publish here for fear of doing jail time—simply appeared. Incredible. Let the free downloads begin! –
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??? AACS is the standard that is on both HD DVD and Blu-ray. I haven't read anywhere where AACS is required for Blu-ray and optional for HD DVD. Could you please provide evidence of your claim? According to my knowledge, AACS, while not required per se, in terms of playback on either format, is standard on both HD DVD and Blu-ray per the specification for each standard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance...Content_System.

I can't find the specific article now, but it was from a maker of a movie Chronos where on HD DVD he was able to produce the disk with no AACS, but on Blu-Ray he was required to include AACS. Here is a link toa forum post mentioning in: http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?...9&postcount=82

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I'm not arguing that Blu-ray has an extra layer of DRM in BD+, but it should be noted that Frank mentioned Sony specifically, who has yet to implement BD+ at all. Fox is the only studio thus far to implement BD+.

Re-reading Franks post, he does mention Sony, but I think he was refering to the more general Blu-Ray as a whole. We need him to respond back if he meant only Sony locking down their content, or Blu-Ray backers as a whole.

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As far as coming to the conclusion that it will be more difficult to backup, I'd say that is false. It maybe more difficult in terms of engineers working with Managed Copy and BD+ to implement backups, or managed copies, but to the end consumer, backup or managed copies will be identical on Blu-ray or HD DVD.

I am sure they will be identical on both platforms, but what is it that it will be? I am sure it will be something locked down, only playable on certain devices. Maybe even a limited number of times before you have to resync your disk to prove ownership? Who knows, but I can guarantee it wont be nice and simple to get the content where I want it.

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In terms of being more difficult to "rip"...yeah its going to be more difficult to rip, as this is illegal, and that is the whole point of DRM...to prevent pirating (a.k.a. "ripping").

Ripping != pirating (that is, unless you work for the RIAA/MPAA) Let me guess, you've never ripped a CD into MP3s in iTunes? You don't have an iPod (or other MP3 player) filled with music?

I don't want to rip to share (aka pirate), I want to rip so I have control over the quality of the content on my device. So I can rip to my home media server, or my iPhone, or my iPod, or my tablet, or whatever future device comes out that I haven't thought of yet. HD DVD allows me to do this currently. Blu-Ray does as well, but not on all titles. As time marches on, Blu-Ray has BD+ and RomMark coming down the pipe to help further lock down content. HD DVD has nothing else to lock us down with. I am for freedom, and HD DVD while not totally free, is the most free.
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And here I thought we were discussing Blu-Ray vs HD DVD. What is the purpose of picking one studio out of the lot when Frank was talking about the format as a whole.

"Sony will do their best to lock up their content"

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Plus, BD+ just became available recently (last few months). I would expect to see more and more Blu-Ray films to use it as time goes on.

Fact is that Fox is still the only studio expressing their interest in BD+
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I really don't think it's going to be a problem. They cracked the two formats about 4 days after they were out last time. I don't see it as a BIG ISSUE.
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I really don't think it's going to be a problem. They cracked the two formats about 4 days after they were out last time. I don't see it as a BIG ISSUE.

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"Sony will do their best to lock up their content"

Given that SonyBMG is the only real holdout still advocating locking up audio content, I fully expect Sony Pictures to take a second look at BD+ the next time some study says that more consumers are ripping movies. Sony still hasn't learned its lesson in how to treat paying customers.

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Fact is that Fox is still the only studio expressing their interest in BD+

Yes, I'm aware that BD+ is being promoted by Fox. I think the extra DRM sabotages the entire platform. I'm not entirely sure that companies won't follow Fox down this path later if BR wins.

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I really don't think it's going to be a problem. They cracked the two formats about 4 days after they were out last time. I don't see it as a BIG ISSUE.

The issue is that after this tedious HDM war, media companies must learn that formats with complicated DRM schemes will die in favour of more open ones. Otherwise, this whole battle has been a wasted opportunity.
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According to new numbers from NPD Group, just 11-percent of HDTV owners surveyed "strongly intend to buy a Blu-ray or HD DVD player by next spring," and moreover, nearly 75-percent of those consumers noted that standard DVD was "good enough for them."

As I've said before, I don't think Joe Consumer's buying in to HDM until he's in need of a new DVD player, walks into the store, and all they sell are HDM players that also happen to upconvert regular DVDs. Just like HDTVs, it's not catching on until it's the only thing you can buy.
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Another week another loss for HD-DVD. According to the AVS forum Blu took another win for the week of the 23rd.

Nielsen contest results for 12/28/2007

Correct Nielsen/VideoScan ratio : 61:39


Same ratio as the week before. And apparently this brings us to 52 weeks of Blu trouncing HD-DVD.

Maybe next week HD-DVD will win? According to the HD-DVD camp wasn't there supposed to be a mad rush after Christmas for HD-DVD movies? You know due to all those tens of hundreds of HD-DVD players sold during the Walmart / Best Buy fire sales...
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Another week another loss for HD-DVD. According to the AVS forum Blu took another win for the week of the 23rd.

Nielsen contest results for 12/28/2007

Correct Nielsen/VideoScan ratio : 61:39


Same ratio as the week before. And apparently this brings us to 52 weeks of Blu trouncing HD-DVD.

Maybe next week HD-DVD will win? According to the HD-DVD camp wasn't there supposed to be a mad rush after Christmas for HD-DVD movies? You know due to all those tens of hundreds of HD-DVD players sold during the Walmart / Best Buy fire sales...

What are you, Marzetta7's second account? As I say to him, this is not a presidential election; nobody goes home empty-handed, and the loser having a 39% of the sales means nobody is getting "trounced". The ratio of sales for both formats are roughly the same as they were last February; this "war" has gone nowhere.
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What are you, Marzetta7's second account? As I say to him, this is not a presidential election; nobody goes home empty-handed, and the loser having a 39% of the sales means nobody is getting "trounced". The ratio of sales for both formats are roughly the same as they were last February; this "war" has gone nowhere.

Those are US #s. Japan has like 97% Blu-Ray Europe is also far more favored for Blu Ray than the US. Believe it. HD-DVD is getting trounced across the globe. The US has the highest percentage of HD-DVD, and it's minimal compared to Blu Ray.
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Those are US #s. Japan has like 97% Blu-Ray Europe is also far more favored for Blu Ray than the US. Believe it. HD-DVD is getting trounced across the globe. The US has the highest percentage of HD-DVD, and it's minimal compared to Blu Ray.

Which hardly matters for the purposes of North American adoption. Europe and Asia have often had differing hardware formats, and many tech companies prefer it that way.

And even with HD-DVD's so-called "minimal" hardware adoption rate compared to Blu-Ray players, HD-DVD is still walking away with almost 40% of HDM sales.

That is simply amazing.
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Those are US #s. Japan has like 97% Blu-Ray Europe is also far more favored for Blu Ray than the US. Believe it. HD-DVD is getting trounced across the globe. The US has the highest percentage of HD-DVD, and it's minimal compared to Blu Ray.

I care as much about what Europe and Japan are watching as I do about VCDs and the PAL format.
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The issue is that after this tedious HDM war, media companies must learn that formats with complicated DRM schemes will die in favour of more open ones. Otherwise, this whole battle has been a wasted opportunity.

It really doesn't look that way so far.
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