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I don't get these pricing models at all. I think the PS3 pricing is spot on. But the stand-alone-I-only-play-movies units should be significantly cheaper.

OR -- maybe Sony's licensing fees with other manufacturer's is designed to protect the PS3 for as long as possible. Perhaps Sony wants everyone to buy a PS3 instead of a stand alone and has structured its licensing deals accordingly. Or Sony has a monopoly on blue laser diods and is keeping them out of other manufacturer's hands, cornering the market.

I think it's more the PS3 is underpriced a little due to the Wii and 360. Sony is making less profit than it would with a blu-ray player because it expects to make it up on game sales

The standalones compete with each other for the market that doesn't want a PS3 for whatever reason. Margins are healthier than DVDs or HD-DVD.

I would expect $299 and less by Black Friday.
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I'm a PS3 fan and bought into Blu full tilt. But, that Best Buy player is too expensive and doesn't hit the sweet spot of $299. $349 is just not an attractive marketing number. I'm sure Best Buy ran the numbers and concluded this was the most profitable for them, but I still think it's $50 too expensive.

It's like saying the gaming option of the PS3 is worth only $50. Doesn't it strike anyone else as odd that a full-tilt home entertainment gaming console is only $50 more expensive than a stand-alone Blu-Ray box? Or you can look at it in the reverse -- for only $50 more I get a Blu-Ray player AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

I don't get these pricing models at all. I think the PS3 pricing is spot on. But the stand-alone-I-only-play-movies units should be significantly cheaper.

OR -- maybe Sony's licensing fees with other manufacturer's is designed to protect the PS3 for as long as possible. Perhaps Sony wants everyone to buy a PS3 instead of a stand alone and has structured its licensing deals accordingly. Or Sony has a monopoly on blue laser diods and is keeping them out of other manufacturer's hands, cornering the market.

Sony is obviously protecting their gaming machine. pricing a bluray player at around $199-$299 right now would sink the PS3.
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Sony is obviously protecting their gaming machine.

Obviously.

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Sony is obviously protecting their gaming machine. pricing a bluray player at around $199-$299 right now would sink the PS3.

When you bet the farm on one product, yup.

Here's a good analogy. When Canon introduced their high-end pro HD camera they did not include many features you would expect from such a camera. A lot of us scratched our heads as to why Canon would do such a silly thing. Turns out Canon provides components and lenses to Sony and Panasonic's pro divisions. And because Canon was introducing a pro camera that would compete with Sony and Panasonic, Canon didn't want to upset it's licensees. So they disabled a lot of features.

I'm sure other manufacturer's wanting to build Blu-Ray players who need to license technology from Sony is in the same situation Canon was. Their licensing deals either force them into high fees or price point guarantees so Sony can protect the PS3 for as long as possible.
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When you bet the farm on one product, yup.

Here's a good analogy. When Canon introduced their high-end pro HD camera they did not include many features you would expect from such a camera. A lot of us scratched our heads as to why Canon would do such a silly thing. Turns out Canon provides components and lenses to Sony and Panasonic's pro divisions. And because Canon was introducing a pro camera that would compete with Sony and Panasonic, Canon didn't want to upset it's licensees. So they disabled a lot of features.

I'm sure other manufacturer's wanting to build Blu-Ray players who need to license technology from Sony is in the same situation Canon was. Their licensing deals either force them into high fees or price point guarantees so Sony can protect the PS3 for as long as possible.

yeah, exactly. the thing is sony wouldn't really have to worry about the PS3 if it was actually a decent gaming machine, which it currently is not.

they do have strong brand loyalty though, just look at some of the people in this forum... either brand loyalty or real anti-microsoft. sony is very fortunate to have such a following. in the last generation alone (not including the ridiculous amounts of crap peed out to tank the dreamcast, a superior gaming machine at that time to) sony has fed so much garbage to it's audience and the media...

3 years ago sony came out blazing by showing a fully CGI'd video of Killzone 2. four years later the game will finally (hopefully) be released. still, the fanboys wait. during launch that loud mouth kutagari promised "true" HD gaming with bluray, yet no game (waiting for mgs4) has used bluray's capacity, nor has it resulted in a 1080p gamign experience which sony swore would compile the entire PS3 gaming library... no popular game has even been able to run native 720p lol.

2 years ago sony promised to pull ahead with Home, with little buzz, Home is still touted by fanboys as superior to xbox live. currently PS3's online network has no unified friends list, gamer tag, or even voice chat integration but it's FREE! SHOUT THE FANBOYS.

yeah, when will the days of brand loyalty disappear? for sony i'm sure they hope it's never. Cell was supposed to be this grand amazing chip, has anyone besides sony even picked it up??? you're damn right they bet the farm on technologies presented in that system, damn right they did.
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MGS4 is the first PS3 game to use a 50GB dual-layer disc.

That is all. As you were.
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MGS4 is the first PS3 game to use a 50GB dual-layer disc.

That is all. As you were.

your time is approaching fishy.
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And probably the last!

Bahahahaha
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MGS4 is the first PS3 game to use a 50GB dual-layer disc.

That is all. As you were.

That game will sell over 2 million on the first day if there is that many disks available.

50GB worth of maps, textures, and code is amazing. Even 25 is incredible. Game of the year honors come to mind.
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That game will sell over 2 million on the first day if there is that many disks available.

50GB worth of maps, textures, and code is amazing. Even 25 is incredible. Game of the year honors come to mind.

why because it's filling up space you dont even know with what yet? the entire game can be one big cut scene.. game of the year? doubtful. all the other games were good, but never game of the year.

i'm sure it will be a good game, but we'll see what they filled that disk up with.
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I bet they're filling it up with multiples of this http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/2790

*dance*
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Here's a link regarding Blu-ray Audio if it hasn't been already posted...

http://www.audioholics.com/news/indu...e=520520080530

...the only reservation I have is...make it 7.1 for crying out loud! You got the room!

As long as they come out with some 311 and Linkin Park on Blu-ray Audio...I'll be just peachy...
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That game will sell over 2 million on the first day if there is that many disks available.

50GB worth of maps, textures, and code is amazing. Even 25 is incredible. Game of the year honors come to mind.

It's mostly due to Kojima's insistence on using uncompressed audio.
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It's mostly due to Kojima's insistence on using uncompressed audio.

that's what's been going around.. get ready to dance fishy by the barrel of my gun
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.htm...rd_i=193640011

I've never seen a Blu-ray movie go for $15 before!
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.htm...rd_i=193640011

I've never seen a Blu-ray movie go for $15 before!

DAMN! good deals!! wish those were the prices over here theres a few films I wouldnt mind in that lot.
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that's what's been going around.. get ready to dance fishy by the barrel of my gun

I don't mind, personally. I've got a nice surround system and if all the reports are true, it's the best-sounding game of all time - sounds good to me.

But yeah, not quite vital stuff.
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I don't mind, personally. I've got a nice surround system and if all the reports are true, it's the best-sounding game of all time - sounds good to me.

But yeah, not quite vital stuff.

So... are they using lossless audio on gaming?

If so, hope you have a system that will sing through 20Hz that can be felt. Most people will not likely notice/care for the improvements other than being able to play it louder and having it coming out of more than two speakers.

These newer audio technologies are not built for gamers because most gamers are not equipped to hear the difference, but it is still cool to play lossless. Actually, even majority of home theather folks do not have the system to make the lossless audio shine.

It will be interesting to see if the mutlichannel lossless audio option will sell games or even the nextgen gaming console.
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So... are they using lossless audio on gaming?

If so, hope you have a system that will sing through 20Hz that can be felt. Most people will not likely notice/care for the improvements other than being able to play it louder and having it coming out of more than two speakers.

These newer audio technologies are not built for gamers because most gamers are not equipped to hear the difference, but it is still cool to play lossless. Actually, even majority of home theather folks do not have the system to make the lossless audio shine.

It will be interesting to see if the mutlichannel lossless audio option will sell games or even the nextgen gaming console.

yet watch the fanboys sing the praises of ignorance.
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yet watch the fanboys sing the praises of ignorance.

Uh, you are the ignorant one. You don't think uncompressed audio is important? Good for you! I do and so do many others. I said it before and I'll say it again; if every person/company thought like you there would be no progression. If compressed DVD audio and video is good enough for you, why are you in a Blu-Ray thread? A year from now HDMI receivers will be the standard, they have already dropped in price considerably. Please. Stop. Trolling.
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I'm so glad I can pick up Cloverfield this week.
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I'm so glad I can pick up Cloverfield this week.

That was quite the edit!!!
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Uh, you are the ignorant one. You don't think uncompressed audio is important? Good for you! I do and so do many others. I said it before and I'll say it again; if every person/company thought like you there would be no progression. If compressed DVD audio and video is good enough for you, why are you in a Blu-Ray thread? A year from now HDMI receivers will be the standard, they have already dropped in price considerably. Please. Stop. Trolling.

i just don't think you can read properly and understand arguments, can you? the point was that bluray was supposed to do something for gaming, it hasn't translated into any "progression" at all. bluray in this generation of games is not needed like Sony claimed.

understand? do i have to reiterate everything in order for you to understand what's going on? shape up buddy.
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That was quite the edit!!!



Yes, yes it was.
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i just don't think you can read properly and understand arguments, can you? the point was that bluray was supposed to do something for gaming, it hasn't translated into any "progression" at all. bluray in this generation of games is not needed like Sony claimed.

understand? do i have to reiterate everything in order for you to understand what's going on? shape up buddy.

once is enough, now go away
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i just don't think you can read properly and understand arguments, can you? the point was that bluray was supposed to do something for gaming, it hasn't translated into any "progression" at all. bluray in this generation of games is not needed like Sony claimed.

understand? do i have to reiterate everything in order for you to understand what's going on? shape up buddy.

You sir are dense! In YOUR opinion you don't think it is/will be needed. In SONY's opinion, and many others, it is needed to make progress, make bigger and more detailed games.
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You sir are dense! In YOUR opinion you don't think it is/will be needed. In SONY's opinion, and many others, it is needed to make progress, make bigger and more detailed games.

my opinion? ok, so where's the hard evidence? where are the examples? MGS4 was going to be the first step for the fanboys to feel better about being lied to by sony again, but as we are slowly realizing that's not the case. bluray space is not needed this generation, maybe in the distant future, but as of right now it is not doing anything for the "progression" of games.
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So... are they using lossless audio on gaming?

If so, hope you have a system that will sing through 20Hz that can be felt. Most people will not likely notice/care for the improvements other than being able to play it louder and having it coming out of more than two speakers.

These newer audio technologies are not built for gamers because most gamers are not equipped to hear the difference, but it is still cool to play lossless. Actually, even majority of home theather folks do not have the system to make the lossless audio shine.

It will be interesting to see if the mutlichannel lossless audio option will sell games or even the nextgen gaming console.

It's not necessarily a selling point for the average gamer, but it's certainly a feather in the cap for those of us with hefty home theaters.

Obviously Elixir is not a part of this contingent. His jealousy is so transparent.
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my opinion? ok, so where's the hard evidence? where are the examples? MGS4 was going to be the first step for the fanboys to feel better about being lied to by sony again, but as we are slowly realizing that's not the case. bluray space is not needed this generation, maybe in the distant future, but as of right now it is not doing anything for the "progression" of games.

What about MLB The Show 08?
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What about MLB The Show 08?

i haven't heard much of a ruckus in regards to bluray use in that game nor has it translated into any reviewers drastically different than last years game. MLB the show has always been regarded as a great baseball game, and i haven't seen a single indication that using Bluray resulted in a vast improvement over the previous version.

so, explain how it helped besides adding more of the little things people tend to look over? i think you're confused once again about what the true argument is here. Sony made the claim that true HD gaming would be had with bluray, and that the more space offered would better their games over the traditional space offered with DVD.

yet we haven't seen any real improvement, or any real use of the space. adversely it created this huge problem where almost every single game for the PS3 requires a 4gig+ mandatory instal in order to shorten load times. so, what is really happening is instead of downloading extra secondary content that bluray tends to offer they are giving you that on the disk, but then asking you to download 4gigs of data. :
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It's not necessarily a selling point for the average gamer, but it's certainly a feather in the cap for those of us with hefty home theaters.

Obviously Elixir is not a part of this contingent. His jealousy is so transparent.

Actually, for the geek sake, I would like to be present for such gaming demo. Since I'm an audio geek catching onto video/HT hobbies, I'm still sensitive to good sound reproduction and I shouldn't exclude gaming.

I would soon be looking for a new house with a basement and this may allow me to have a designated gaming room to put another multichannel audio system with all the retired speakers from upgrading days. I'm sure my newphews would like it when they visit.
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Actually, for the geek sake, I would like to be present for such gaming demo. Since I'm an audio geek catching onto video/HT hobbies, I'm still sensitive to good sound reproduction and I shouldn't exclude gaming.

I would soon be looking for a new house with a basement and this may allow me to have a designated gaming room to put another multichannel audio system with all the retired speakers from upgrading days. I'm sure my newphews would like it when they visit.

Audio is such an addiction, innit?
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Actually, for the geek sake, I would like to be present for such gaming demo. Since I'm an audio geek catching onto video/HT hobbies, I'm still sensitive to good sound reproduction and I shouldn't exclude gaming.

I would soon be looking for a new house with a basement and this may allow me to have a designated gaming room to put another multichannel audio system with all the retired speakers from upgrading days. I'm sure my newphews would like it when they visit.

For a game room I'd put my best sub there and maybe get some buttkickers. And really think about what sonic treatments are desired to keep the house from shaking and pissing off my wife.
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I recant. Marz may actually have to start a 2009 version of this thread after all.
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Toshiba just won't call it quits, will they?

Good grief.
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Toshiba just won't call it quits, will they?

Good grief.

Reminds me of Elixir!
post #2197 of 2640
Ture, that.

I just figure I won't acknowledge that he exists. :P

It'll lighten up this thread a little.
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I recant. Marz may actually have to start a 2009 version of this thread after all.

LOL.

Toshiba will eventually release Blu...that is, if they want to compete in the HVM space, otherwise, they're just pissin in the wind with their annoucement.
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Audio is such an addiction, innit?

I was able to quit smoking, but don't think I can quit being an audio geek.


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For a game room I'd put my best sub there and maybe get some buttkickers. And really think about what sonic treatments are desired to keep the house from shaking and pissing off my wife.

Haha... sound treatments in a basement room? I've got two spare servo subs I can use in the future game room, so we'll see if I'll need the buttkickers.


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I recant. Marz may actually have to start a 2009 version of this thread after all.

Oh boy, I need more shelf space for toys.......
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Oh boy, I need more shelf space for toys.......

So your looking forward to a format that will likely fail, but havent bought into BD yet.. and you ARN'T a fanboy??

Is it just me, or am I missing something here? can anyone else explain "his" aversion ??
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