Blu-ray vs. HD DVD (2008) - Page 56

You wouldn't know even when explained multiple times. Obviously, you still don't get it.

BTW, did someone assigned a deadline for me when to get BD. Get a life little man, internet is no place to play parent or a boss.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/06/s...rives-by-year/

bare drive to be $100 by years end

$150 for slim line versions.

Im not going to hold my breath for a BTO option on the MacPro until Jan 09 at the earliest iLife 09 with BD burning, anyone?

And somehow unless by "slimline" Sony mean slimmer than current offerings, I cant see these going in the laptops,, even iMacs are gonna start to look doubtful.

but its all still "possible" isnt it?

at least those who claim to want to put a drive in their HTPC will have less of a barrier .. ahem.

Interesting to see what 3rd parties will do for the Mac user though.

Sorry for commenting to an older post, but I thought it was a very interesting observation.

M$FT beat Sony to the punch big-time with the 360. They set the barometer on how much time, energy and money would go into a next-gen game. They set the price, and thereby set the development budget per game. Studios that make both PS3 and 360 games will never spend more time or money taking advantage of the 50GB of space when they can't sell their game for any more than the 360 version which is selling for 59.99. Its simple marketing.

So Sony can only expect to see a noticeable difference on those games that are exclusive to PS3, which of course can not be compared to a 360 version of the same game. And even if Sony did set the trend, how many would be ok with paying 89.99 (or more) for a game with 1080p video throughout, lossless TrueHD audio, and 'just ok' gameplay?

I think M$FT outplayed Sony in this round. But that doesnt mean that consumers are losers when it comes to gaming. I think XBOX has released incredible games, and PS3 is giving me my blu-ray fix, along with MSG4. I can't complain!

Your point makes no sense, games get bigger and better all the time. I remember $70 Nintendo and SNES games. Were those 9GB? Negative!

you're absolutely right.

yet, you make it sound like microsoft held sony's system back, or i guess the developers back from creating these huge games on the PS3. fact is, i don't think there are many people out there wanting to spend 89.99 or more on a game. could you imagine? people had squibbles about paying 59.99. this has been my point about bluray in here for a while, but of course it's ignored.

also, exclusive games on sony's system haven't faired well either. most "must have" titles have either been complete busts, or just decent enough to make a slight return. it's a known fact that it's more expensive and time consuming to develop for the PS3, and this is mainly do to that oh so fabulous Cell chip (another huge bust). so, "ok" gameplay isn't about bluray, it's about the developers getting around their ridiculous architecture because the 360 like you pointed out has some amazing exclusive titles.

Wow...this thread is STILL going? What are we talking about fellas?

Yeah. No shit. It appears there's been some heated discussions about uncompressed audio, the superiority of one console over the other, and downloads versus hard media.

Oroborous.

We're just marking time until the 2009 thread appears with a better title.

either you think he's absolutely right or you don't. Why argue with him when you "absolutely agree"?

what was that you were saying about pertinent argument?

Although I have not been in this thread in a while you just opened up a point that I think about now and then. Whatever Sony was loosing on PS3 consoles they are making back in nickel, and dime downloadable content from the PS3 store. I probably have $200 worth of awesome PS3 downloads from that store. Some of the little games sony develops for $9.99 are totally addictive. And awesome at that. Personally I think that store is the killer app for that machine.

ah, you know, i'm not even gonna bother.

carry on.

Bravo!

I absolutely agree!

you know, it's just hard. it's like someone telling you guys "man, the dock in vista is soo cool, i can't believe they have that"

you just sit back and think to yourself "woah, are you serious.." and then probably jump in right?

well, i'm holding myself back for you guys

"Im not gonna bother"

"It's over"

"You're absolutely right"

"I promise in the event of BD players dropping to xxx price I WILL buy"

"Got it!"

anyone else remember any classic quotes from these threads?

thought a mid season re-cap might be nice, while we wait for the announcement that the iPhone will include a BD burner.

Does it really make no sense, or do you just disagree? Regardless, your response didn't address my point at all. My point was about development costs and maximizing the power of the PS3.

I personally would love it if a game with great gameplay and lossless/1080p audio/video was released. But it ain't gonna happen because Sony doesn't have the chops to make those games, and those who do have the skills (Take Two, Capcom, Bungie, EA, Ubisoft etc) will not do it because 1) they cant easily port it over to the 360 because of processing and size limits, 2) the development costs will be out of control, and 3) they know its not all about lossless audio and 1080p... its also about a creative storyline and engaging gameplay. They choose to spend their energy on those things instead. I agree with them 100%.

i agree with what you're saying about development costs but i think you need to catch up on your information regarding the PS3. the Cell is a b/tch to program for, and not only that but developers are having a hell of a time squeezing the same power out of the PS3 that they can easily attain with the 360. it has nothing to do with porting it over to the 360 because developers have stated it's easier to develop on the ps3 and then port to the 360 rather then the other way around, mainly due to the obnoxiousness of the Cell architecture.

it's pretty hard to make the argument at this point that developers and costs are the ones to blame for making piss poor games on the PS3 (or not taping into its untapped "power" of the ps3 hardware)

because you've had

-inferior cross platform games
-inferior exclusives
-top developers (like MGS4 head honcho) moaning about the complexities of the system
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really? as opposed to what? the over lit unrealistic looking crap on the aging 360?


inferior to what? if they are exclusive what are you comparing them to ?


you can proved quotes I assume? because I'm sure its not hard to dig up quote of him saying the PS3 is great.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/10/m...g-at-xbox-360/

"get a grip" mmm?

i've posted here many times saying if you want to do your own research go ahead. this is the age of the internet, right? it would take you two seconds go to look at exclusives for both platforms and come out with the conlcusion that the 360's offerings are far superior. also, a quick look would also discover that cross platform games (games coming for both systems) are for the most part far superior on the 360. oh, and i don't even know what you're talking about "over lit unrealistic look of the aging 360" like huh? gears of war came out almost 2 years ago with that grey realistic look (arguably the best looking game still this gen) lol.

yes, switching disks (2 seconds) once or twice over the span of the entire game vs 1-2 minute load times between every scene + a mandatory 4gig install? geeh, what to choose, what to choose i love the sony camp.


here's your quote darling


after this came out, and after he probably got scorned by his studio heads and some sony execs he softened his position. yet, you can clearly see he has been wishy washy ever since- first saying this was his last MGS,then saying it wasn't, then saying it was coming to the 360, then saying it wasn't, then saying they needed to sell 1 million units on day 1 to break even, then saying no.

eh, i'm sure MGS turned out good enough for the fans.

basically "darling" he has done that same "My vision was for waaay more, but this is the best i could manage with the hardware" song and dance since he started the whole MGS thing 20 years ago.

there is rather a lot of stuff that seems to get misquoted and lost in translation from his native language, via a "journalist" and then via the editor, no doubt looking for something quotable, and finally the end reader, but now there is another layer, the twisting of his intent via blogs and blogers and people who reply to what the blogger said.

that all a pretty far stretch.

he is a guy that seems to be not too far removed from our very own Steve Jobs a bit of a perfectionist.

I'm sure steve thinks the iPhone is "the best ever" just as I'm sure he is in talks with whomever saying "how the heck do we make this twice as good?"

well if its the best ever then why aim higher?

thats been most peoples point about the capacity that BD gives (50GB) over DVD (9GB) one can aim higher, and improve.

your mantra seems to be that of microsoft, one of "good enough" you seem to be lacking in the vision that the rest of us, while we might not be able to see yet, actually believe to be a good idea to have potential access to.

oh yeah, and I remember reading him say that MGS2 (on PS1) was the last MGS game, he said it was the best he had done and could do no better, but then the PS2 was on the scene and MGS3 was also the "last" MGS game he was going to do, lo and behold MGS4 is the last game as well.

but if you actually do some UNBIASED searching you can find him quoted, as he was quoted after MGS3, saying (and i paraphrase here) "its my last game with snake, but in the future theres nothing to stop my staff from producing a MGS game"

Which then turned, a few days later, to "IF I do another [MGS] game I will take more of a back seat"

but as you say, its not up to me to provide you with links, but if you want to keep your blinkered view, maybe you should keep it to yourself??

For freaks sake...

It's the same comment over and over.

Elixir, you keep saying the same stuff over and over. It's not making anyone think otherwise, yet you keep saying the same stuff. You're not accomplishing anything, just let it go.

i'm replying to other peoples comments. if they want to make false claims i will propose a challenge, it is all.

a lot earlier in this thread people were claiming true HD was only had on the ps3 and that the ps3's games were in 1080p, which is absolutely false. now, we don't see things like that do we? soon enough people will have realized the whole "bluray is needed for gaming" was utter crap spewing out of sony's mouth in order to increase bluray adoption. ironic you're telling me i'm repeating something in a thread that has been arguing the same points for the last 2 years.

edit: and walter i don't know why you spent an entire post on the wishy washy attitude of MGS's developer when i already stated he is like that. odd, but ok.

Look guys, this thread isn't about gaming. You're all losers. It doesn't matter if you're on an Xbox or a PS3.

I will defer... Thanks.

you are one trollistic minded IQ depleted specimen arnt you?

equally I dont know why YOU bother either, but there we are, from the guy who was FINNISHED many pages back.

show me who was making these claims for BD being "true HD" I seen a lot of talk about 1080P being "true" but not BD, I know *I* certainly never made such a remark, barring of course the possibility of a sarcastic remark that I might have forgotten about, but even THAT is doubtful.

basically BACK IT UP with something other than your opinion.

WOW, at last Frank, something we can agree on

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I still havent gotten round to ordering any movies off aTV, I just dont have the time at the moment, but I did mooch about on iTunes and discovered that there seems to be no HiDef movies available in the store which irks me a little, i guess i'll have to switch on my aTV and check after all.

when, is an entirely different matter!

once again with the personal insults.

sony claimed it, that is whom i was referring to and then it was brought up in here a good while ago. you make personal insults and then expect me to go digging old quotes for you... which i always pull through with anyways. funny. an opinion void of anything solid is the one i replied to.

he states that the ps3 is being held back by the 360 but there is no evidence of that. on the contrary you see exclusives and cross platform games being far superior on the other console, so where does the reasoning come from? it isn't so much the development costs (it does play a factor) as it is the complexities of the Cell and the desire to fill up a BD disk (at the push of sony) with endless extra content.

if you weren't such a M$ hating apple sheep you'd be able to comprehend a little better. you see the word microsoft and automatically dismiss everything.

you prob don't even own a ps3 nor a bluray player lol

Are you Canadian as well? I noticed zero HD movies or rentals at all on iTunes. Why is this?

Just start a thread that includes Blu-Ray, evolution, multi-touch, Bush or "sub-$2,000" Mac in the title and you're golden.

now your making even less sense, oh well, theres always the ignore button i guess

What you are supposed to do is reply to others, such as myself, when we have questions and add new info on Blu-Ray. But, most importantly STOP RESPONDING TO HIM!

As long as no one mentions anything PS3 related, he won't talk.

On that note, those of you with PS3s should PM me, if you have MGS4. I just.. want to freak out about it.
And THAT being said, you should check out the new IGN review. The conclusion/second opinion to be precise.

Cheers

Awesome. This thread is approaching some kind of platonic ideal of internet discussion-- the original contention long gone, it's becoming entirely about itself, pure and unsullied by the world.

mm, exactly my own advice earlier in the thread.

Ironic that I've just read the following news


Which means we have gotten to the stage where the US is catching up to the rest of the world.

I fully realise this is one month, but then it was "only" one month when this started happening in other parts of the world as well, but now its just a fact, the PS3 is outselling the 360 every month. its only a matter of time before the install base matches and then exceeds.

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I managed to update my aTV but it seems to be over heating and shutting down, a fact im not happy about (really?) and ive got a few weeks before its 1 year old, so I think I'm gonna have to contact Apple.

Like the new interface despite worrying that I wouldnt, think the selection is fairly broad and "fun" the real question is however am I willing to part with the money for a rental? at the equivalent of $5 for the SD rental, you tell me?

I WOULD have been interested in seeing Vincent Price in "The Fly" as its been a while since I've seen it, except that I managed to record it off the TV about a week ago!!
shouts of PRICE TOO HIGH..??

There was a lot of shouting about MP3s and then the Apple stores, per song pricing, devaluing music. its odd how we put a one off value on music and then assume it to be there "forever" but movies are a slightly different proposition so the studios would have us believe, yet the reality for a lot of us is that (FEW) older movies have any real value once we have seen them. we have seen the story and "know how it ends" while with music we want to hear the start again, I guess this is likely a lot to do with the old adage about radio "the pictures are better"

Yet MGS4 takes all the 50GB dislk, and Kojima says it's not enough room.

WOW! MGS4 is much bigger, longer, and better than I had even imagined. I started playing yesterday and I have about 15 hours into the game, and I'm still in the first chapter of 5. It's pretty intense.

Yeah. The great thing about this game, is you still want to play it again as soon as you've beaten it. I beat it last night and can't WAIT to play it again!
It's truly amazing, and it's... better than I could have imagined.

Enjoy.

Guys! Guys! Stop this!

Can't you all see that this 2 year old obsolete hardware thread is tearing us APART?!

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... Carry on.

only ordered it on friday, should be fun

"what was that noise"