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He's simply implying that a hardline connection will always (on paper) have better speeds.
But yeah, the whole 'i don't care if you think you get no lag' was a pretty lame statement to make.
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802.11G goes 54Mbps, standard broadband is 5-10Mbps. You do the math.
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He's simply implying that a hardline connection will always (on paper) have better speeds.
But yeah, the whole 'i don't care if you think you get no lag' was a pretty lame statement to make.

i was referring to a host situation. sometimes you'll get the host and have no lag but give others lag. that's what i meant by that, sorry for not being clear.
and yes on paper, considering most situations a hardwired connection will always be better than wifi, and most consumers won't have the set up able to run high speed wifi regardless.

ah, i love this thread.
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and you guys would still deny that Blu-ray is a PS3 format?

I guess it really doesn't matter to Sony but, it is still hard to tell whether PS3 is saving blu-ray or the blu-ray saving PS3.

..,.

Does it really matter? The PS3 effectively killed HD-DVD. Also from my perspective as a non-gamer, it seems that the Xbox MAY have a better selection of games now but in a year or two MS will be scrambling for an Xbox replacement or upgrade to catch up to the PS3 and it's software.

bite, what's your magic number for buying a BD player? There's some interesting titles coming out soon, the Jack Ryan movies next month and L.A. Confidential in September. 4Q should have some great releases. Also Netflix seems to have its supply problem of BD discs solved.

It's kind of interesting, this thread started out with BD/HD and when will it be in Macs, then BD against HD and now gaming systems. I'm surprised the moderators either haven't locked this thread or at least moved it to the General Board but then again, BD burners haven't come out in Macs yet so I guess it's still a valid but mostly off-topic thread.
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i was referring to a host situation...

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BD burners haven't come out in Macs yet so I guess it's still a valid but mostly off-topic thread.

I'm authoring BD discs right now in my Mac Pro with an aftermarket burner and a combination of Toast 9 and a Windows app via Parallels. It's a big damn mess and I can't wait for Apple to update DVD Studio Pro and straighten it all out for me.
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Does it really matter? The PS3 effectively killed HD-DVD. Also from my perspective as a non-gamer, it seems that the Xbox MAY have a better selection of games now but in a year or two MS will be scrambling for an Xbox replacement or upgrade to catch up to the PS3 and it's software.

It does not matter if Blu-Ray succeed DVD in the optical disc market, however, if it fails or takes 10+ years to roll out then the blu-ray is just a bad optical disc format that killed/slowed HDM optical disc implementation. In 10+ years, we would probably have something much better than the current blu-ray or perhaps no need for an optical disc as a media for HDM delivery.

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bite, what's your magic number for buying a BD player? There's some interesting titles coming out soon, the Jack Ryan movies next month and L.A. Confidential in September. 4Q should have some great releases. Also Netflix seems to have its supply problem of BD discs solved.

No magic number, just a magic BD player with higher-end specs I'm looking for under $1k. I would still prefer a combo player, though. Anyway, since such machine did not exist (not sure if it does now), I had decided to go with HTPC route instead. I'm very close to getting the LG combo drive because of decent HDM releases on BD discs this summer and fall.

Either way, I would soon be stuck in temporary housing for at least three months and I have to put my whole house in storage during the transition. Perhaps, I can make an external drive out of the LG combo drive and use the laptop or a new macmini for the time being, but still don't feel the urgency.

I'm actually more interested in the new iphone 3G than getting a blu-ray player for now.
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Does it really matter? The PS3 effectively killed HD-DVD. Also from my perspective as a non-gamer, it seems that the Xbox MAY have a better selection of games now but in a year or two MS will be scrambling for an Xbox replacement or upgrade to catch up to the PS3 and it's software..

They've been saying this since before release. When is it really going to happen? and what's your reasoning behind it in the first place?

It has effectively taken Sony 2.5 years to release their first triple AAA title. 2008 was going to be the "the year of the ps3" and yet most of their touted games either got delayed (killzone 2), canceled (getaway, eight days) or flat out bombed (haze). So what software are you really talking about?

Home has been delayed multiple times and the buzz has completely died out. Their online market place is still a disaster, though i've heard of improvements, and the entire online gaming is still years behind xbox live.

On top of this all you're assuming microsoft is just sitting on their lead with nothing up their sleeves.

Rather than say "sony is making strides to improve their gaming line up" no, it's "the PS3 will start to dominate during_____and will surpass the 360 in____"


it's perplexing because there isn't any base or real solid reasoning for such a thing
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Home has been delayed multiple times and the buzz has completely died out. Their online market place is still a disaster, though i've heard of improvements, and the entire online gaming is still years behind xbox live.

Can you give me an example of how PSN is a disaster? It is leaps and bounds better than before, works great and is easy to navigate. Yeah, what a disaster. I don't get all the hype about Live being so great. I can go online and play NHL08 and it is (usually, depending on the other person) lag free.
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They've been saying this since before release. When is it really going to happen? and what's your reasoning behind it in the first place?

It has effectively taken Sony 2.5 years to release their first triple AAA title. 2008 was going to be the "the year of the ps3" and yet most of their touted games either got delayed (killzone 2), canceled (getaway, eight days) or flat out bombed (haze). So what software are you really talking about?

Home has been delayed multiple times and the buzz has completely died out. Their online market place is still a disaster, though i've heard of improvements, and the entire online gaming is still years behind xbox live.

On top of this all you're assuming microsoft is just sitting on their lead with nothing up their sleeves.

Rather than say "sony is making strides to improve their gaming line up" no, it's "the PS3 will start to dominate during_____and will surpass the 360 in____"


it's perplexing because there isn't any base or real solid reasoning for such a thing

Errr, other than looking at sales figures and doing a small amount of extrapolation...
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Errr, other than looking at sales figures and doing a small amount of extrapolation...

err, which shows at the current rate it would take the ps3 20 years to catch up and surpass the 360.
there should be some kind of syndrome for this type of thinking- if the ps3 keeps pushing back their games and services, (killzone 2, home) then the PS3 will always look to have a brighter horizon. = \\

example: final fantasy commercials have been running since before launch, and all indications are that the game wont be released till late 09 and maybe early 2010. that's a lot of snowballing!
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err, which shows at the current rate it would take the ps3 20 years to catch up and surpass the 360.

Are your calculations based on the difference staying the same? Because that is flawed. If the rate at which the PS3 continues to grow is factored in, you will have a much different result!
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Are your calculations based on the difference staying the same? Because that is flawed. If the rate at which the PS3 continues to grow is factored in, you will have a much different result!

as in the ps3 edging the 360 every month in the same amount. obviously the rate wont stay the same, and i'll tell you right now, once the holiday season kicks in the 360 will be on top by a good margin.
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err, which shows at the current rate it would take the ps3 20 years to catch up and surpass the 360.

you keep repeating this meme, but that assumes that the 360 sales remain constant, all indications are that its sales rates are slowing down.

attach rates are high because people are HAVING to buy things like the wifi, which happens to be included in the PS3.

but then wifi doesnt matter because its no use anyway, isnt that right


what part of microsoft do you work in anyway?
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as in the ps3 edging the 360 every month in the same amount. obviously the rate wont stay the same, and i'll tell you right now, once the holiday season kicks in the 360 will be on top by a good margin.

so if anyone says "in the future--the PS3 will do better" they are wrong.

but you can say "in the future the 360 will sell more" and you are right..

cool logic, but its strange how you are the only one on this thread with that opinion.
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as in the ps3 edging the 360 every month in the same amount. obviously the rate wont stay the same, and i'll tell you right now, once the holiday season kicks in the 360 will be on top by a good margin.

That was chalk full of fanboy logic!
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example: final fantasy commercials have been running since before launch, and all indications are that the game wont be released till late 09 and maybe early 2010. that's a lot of snowballing!

What are you talking about? I've never seen FFXIII commercials.

Oh, and has anyone seen the magazine scans from that?

Mind blowing!
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so if anyone says "in the future--the PS3 will do better" they are wrong.

but you can say "in the future the 360 will sell more" and you are right..

cool logic, but its strange how you are the only one on this thread with that opinion.

is it shocking that i might be the only one in an apple forum arguing in favor of a windows product? i hate microsoft for many reasons you all do (haven't owned a pc sine 98), but the 360 is a quality gaming platform, sorry doods

yes, i am saying the 360 will sell more in the fall, it has for the past few years and it will continue to do so because of the games coming out for the platform. Gears Of War 2 will be the biggest game this fall, are you going to argue that?

the attach rates i refer to are the games, not peripherals or movies, GAMES. oh, and walter both consoles seem to be slowing down, but again this is the slowest point of the year for gaming. reports are coming in that much like GTA4 didn't move as many consoles it was assumed it would, MGS4 is only giving the PS3 a slight push this month.

fishy- they had final fantasy screens at all of their E3 events, even the one prior to launch. most of the commercials are aired in japan, and they have been airing since the launch of the ps3... oh and in typical CGI sony fashion nonetheless.
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Can you give me proof that they are constantly being aired in Japan?
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Can you give me proof that they are constantly being aired in Japan?


2007 commercial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSFbj...eature=related

2006 TGS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzQmk...eature=related

do you want me to find the one prior to the release of the PS3? the one they showed at E3 as well or are you good now? i don't understand why are you so defiant, this has been sony's way of hyping their console pre-ps2 days. it's how they effectively killed off the dreamcast. it was shocking when the ps2 finally came out and had no quality games compared to the far superior gaming machine the dreamcast was at the time.
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Can you give me proof that they are constantly being aired in Japan?

Are you dumb? You have to find it yourself! It isnt his job to prove his point.
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it's how they effectively killed off the dreamcast. it was shocking when the ps2 finally came out and had no quality games compared to the far superior gaming machine the dreamcast was at the time.

I loves my Dreamcast

And "most of the commercials are aired in japan, and they have been airing since the launch of the ps3" You didn't give me proof of this. I know they have them, I didn't need you to find them. You were supposed to back up what YOU said. They are aired in Japan and have been airing since launch? Prove it. So you found a TV spot. How do you know it's still being aired? Can you show me how many times it's been shown?
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I loves my Dreamcast

And "most of the commercials are aired in japan, and they have been airing since the launch of the ps3" You didn't give me proof of this. I know they have them, I didn't need you to find them. You were supposed to back up what YOU said. They are aired in Japan and have been airing since launch? Prove it. So you found a TV spot. How do you know it's still being aired? Can you show me how many times it's been shown?

you're being ridiculous. i don't know how many times they aired them, but they have aired commercials since launch. i just showed you the tv spots that were shown, how often? i don't know, that wasn't my point.
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You still didn't prove your point that they're still showing them.


Isn't someone here from Japan? Can they clear this up?

I'm not trying to prove you wrong, I just want to know if they're still showing FFXIII commercials.


You're so funny.
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Gears Of War 2 will be the biggest game this fall, are you going to argue that?

argue? with you?? what would be the point?

and isnt that further proof that when YOU forecast, you are "right" but anyone else "forecasting" against your views is "wrong"

I think though a small wager in regard to any large Wii title being the biggest seller, say the "very hard to find" wii fit, might be interesting.

Personally I'd take TOTAL sales over "for the week" or "for a season" any time, but those are harder to get "right now" and the xbox and PS3 seem to have large sales "in the first xxx" whereas the Wii software sales are showing considerable "legs" in total sales terms. different demographic I suppose, though you will no doubt disagree or be dismissive, as is your want.


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both consoles seem to be slowing down, but again this is the slowest point of the year for gaming.

I was thinking more in terms of the EVIDENCE of the slow down in sales of the xbox YEAR OVER YEAR.
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Isn't someone here from Japan? Can they clear this up?

but could they though? I mean once you factor in the fac..um.. opinion that the 360 is such a great overheating machine.. err.. games machine \



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You're so funny.

well there is that at least
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argue? with you?? what would be the point?

and isnt that further proof that when YOU forecast, you are "right" but anyone else "forecasting" against your views is "wrong"

I think though a small wager in regard to any large Wii title being the biggest seller, say the "very hard to find" wii fit, might be interesting.

Personally I'd take TOTAL sales over "for the week" or "for a season" any time, but those are harder to get "right now" and the xbox and PS3 seem to have large sales "in the first xxx" whereas the Wii software sales are showing considerable "legs" in total sales terms. different demographic I suppose, though you will no doubt disagree or be dismissive, as is your want.




I was thinking more in terms of the EVIDENCE of the slow down in sales of the xbox YEAR OVER YEAR.

no, when i forecast i make sure i do so with firm footing. Gears of War is a flagship title, the first installment sold close to 5 million copies in 2005....so, if you came in here and read what i said and thought "wtf is he talking about" you could have gone and done your own research. You would have seen the overwhelming reception for the game, the hype for the second installment and then compared it to the other games being released during the same time frame. Gears of War 2 could possibly and will probably be the biggest selling game this holiday season.

when someone in here says "the ps3's software offerings will surpass the 360's" i go and look what's already out, what will be coming out soon, and what is planned for the future. afterward, i come back and say "ummm, how'd you come up with that"

isn't this fun?


the wii is a different beast all together. it's a casual machine riding insane hype and this "cool" to own a wii fad. oh, and please don't get me started on wii fit. if i want to see my girlfriend hula hoop i'll buy her a 50 cent hula hoop and save myself the 140 dollars or whatever that damn thing costs.
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err, which shows at the current rate it would take the ps3 20 years to catch up and surpass the 360.

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php

Looking at the slopes it doesn't look like 20 years to me. The PS3 didn't shallow out like the 360 did and maintains a higher slope.

Interesting enough the PS3 chart doesn't look too different from the PS2 chart.

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?con...=All&weeks=156

This isn't to say that MS didn't do a great job because the 360 is doing a lot better than the XB did.

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?con...=All&weeks=156

The PS3 looks fine. The Wii statistics skew perceptions immensely because it tapped into a new market and not just the hardcore console market.
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Oh and don't whine about VG Charts. It had charts and it was quick.
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the wii is a different beast all together. it's a casual machine riding insane hype and this "cool" to own a wii fad. oh, and please don't get me started on wii fit. if i want to see my girlfriend hula hoop i'll buy her a 50 cent hula hoop and save myself the 140 dollars or whatever that damn thing costs.

I bet your a real blast in person

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It has effectively taken Sony 2.5 years to release their first triple AAA title.

Something didnt quite gel with me when I read that, you see the PS3 has only been out 19 full months come the end of june, if you actually want to call the days it was on sale in November 2006 a full month that takes it up to 20 months.

Last time I looked there were 12 months in a year.

but hey don't let logic or evidence stop you.
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The PS3 looks fine. The Wii statistics skew perceptions immensely because it tapped into a new market and not just the hardcore console market.

Well, PS3 has tapped into a new market called "media/video enthusiast market" not just the hardcore game console market. Sony had been and still markets PS3 as the media console and if you lurk around AVSforum, PS3 had been known as the best Blu-ray player on the market since the day of the release, Nov. 2006. This was only good for short sighted strategy, obviously.

Anyway, your statement about the Wii having some specially skewed perception is wrong. The Wii is simply a better game console compared to PS3 and Xbox360, hence more people are willing to buy it over the competing consoles within the same market condition. It may not be the hi-tech console with super computing specs, but the mass consumers are not bothered much about that. The current mass market demand for Wii is the proof.
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Well, PS3 has tapped into a new market called "media/video enthusiast market" not just the hardcore game console market. Sony had been and still markets PS3 as the media console and if you lurk around AVSforum, PS3 had been known as the best Blu-ray player on the market since the day of the release, Nov. 2006. This was only good for short sighted strategy, obviously.

Anyway, your statement about the Wii having some specially skewed perception is wrong. The Wii is simply a better game console compared to PS3 and Xbox360, hence more people are willing to buy it over the competing consoles within the same market condition. It may not be the hi-tech console with super computing specs, but the mass consumers are not bothered much about that. The current mass market demand for Wii is the proof.

I think you are completely wrong to say "the Wii is the better console", technically it is inferior.

It would be more accurate, and support your point better to say it is the more easily accessible of the 3 consoles both on price and in the perceived skills required to play it.

the iPod was constantly (and probably still is by a few hold outs) pointed out as "not being as good" as the "better" mp3 players that had an FM radio. technically the mp3 players with a radio had more/better features, but yet the more easily accessible iPod has sold more.

your idea of better has always been skewed on this thread though, so.. beg to differ away all you want.
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I think you are completely wrong to say "the Wii is the better console", technically it is inferior.

It would be more accurate, and support your point better to say it is the more easily accessible of the 3 consoles both on price and in the perceived skills required to play it.

the iPod was constantly (and probably still is by a few hold outs) pointed out as "not being as good" as the "better" mp3 players that had an FM radio. technically the mp3 players with a radio had more/better features, but yet the more easily accessible iPod has sold more.

your idea of better has always been skewed on this thread though, so.. beg to differ away all you want.

He means better in the logical sense that it is superior in popularity, not technically. Gaming console prime concern are gaming enjoyment, which the Wii does in spades. I personally think it is just a big fad and for the most part games are repetitive, but I am not in the majority.
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Anyway, your statement about the Wii having some specially skewed perception is wrong. The Wii is simply a better game console compared to PS3 and Xbox360, hence more people are willing to buy it over the competing consoles within the same market condition. It may not be the hi-tech console with super computing specs, but the mass consumers are not bothered much about that. The current mass market demand for Wii is the proof.

The only thing that the Wii has is not hardcore the gaming market, or hardcore gamers, but parents that are not willing to shell out the kind of money that real consoles cost.
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He means better in the logical sense that it is superior in popularity, not technically. Gaming console prime concern are gaming enjoyment, which the Wii does in spades. I personally think it is just a big fad and for the most part games are repetitive, but I am not in the majority.

wow, we actually agree on something.

i know a lot of people with a Wii, and not a single one of them plays it more than 15min a week if at all after the initial purchase.
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wow, we actually agree on something.

i know a lot of people with a Wii, and not a single one of them plays it more than 15min a week if at all after the initial purchase.

we have one at my work that I play on lunch from time to time, great way to kill time and definitely a multiplayer must but at home I want to use a regular controller and play some NHL!
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I think you are completely wrong to say "the Wii is the better console", technically it is inferior.

It would be more accurate, and support your point better to say it is the more easily accessible of the 3 consoles both on price and in the perceived skills required to play it.

the iPod was constantly (and probably still is by a few hold outs) pointed out as "not being as good" as the "better" mp3 players that had an FM radio. technically the mp3 players with a radio had more/better features, but yet the more easily accessible iPod has sold more.

your idea of better has always been skewed on this thread though, so.. beg to differ away all you want.

I guess someone else posted an answer to your usual misunderstanding.

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He means better in the logical sense that it is superior in popularity, not technically. Gaming console prime concern are gaming enjoyment, which the Wii does in spades. I personally think it is just a big fad and for the most part games are repetitive, but I am not in the majority.

The market focus may be slightly different for wii compared to PS3 & xbox360, but the point is that wii is able to execute and create higher demand for the targeted consumers than both competing game consoles in the gaming console space. Since wii seems to be creating it's own demands in the gaming market, it is a much better product and much successful game console.

I'm not much of a game person but I did use to play first person shooter type games online via pc. And I would continue to use PC for such type gaming, which I rarely play unless we host a LAN/wifi party with bunch of family.

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The only thing that the Wii has is not hardcore the gaming market, or hardcore gamers, but parents that are not willing to shell out the kind of money that real consoles cost.

This is another commonly misspoken statement. Most people I know who currently owns Wii actually paid premium price online because they still can not find one around our area. I was lucky to find it at local toysrus, however. Just for the sake of argument, wii remote+nunchuck cost more than a single super duper wireless remote for PS3 or xbox360. I don't think it's the cost thing at this point.
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play some NHL!

oooooooooh do you??? it's too bad you're not on xbox live, i'd love to dangle your a55 silly. NHL08 is probably the most in depth realistic hockey game to date. EA must be applauded for their achievement.

Edit: and this is where it astonishes me that you wouldn't want to use the xbox 360's controller. the skill stick is impossible on the PS3's remote, i don't know how you do it.
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NHL08 is probably the most in depth realistic hockey game to date. EA must be applauded for their achievement.

I absolutely agree. Such a sweet game.

And I disagree on the controller. I've played it a good amount on both consoles, and I enjoy it on both, and the difference isn't enough between either for me to make me notice it.
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seeing as how we've been dragged to games..

and seeing how some people were tying to spread their own version of the truth.

I thought I'd post this

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Horses mouth??

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MGS4 assistant producer Ryan Payton said there is "still a lot of room for filling in the gaps as far as Big Boss is concerned." When asked about the possibility of a Metal Gear Solid 5, Payton responded, "There are some misunderstandings that this is the final Metal Gear game. But it's really the final chapter of the Solid Snake story. That's all."

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I don't see how an anti M$ stance can be seen as a bad thing on an Apple forum I really can't!

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I don't see how an anti M$ stance can be seen as a bad thing on an Apple forum I really can't!

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