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post #2321 of 2640
6/21/08 at 8:13am
Yeah, saying it was their last game was basically to get people really worked up. I don't know how some of you can stomach a game with 10+ hours of cheesy cringe worthy dialogue and convoluted story telling anymore after this final chapter.

I guess cuz it's a game trying to get away with trying to be like a movie it's ok but hell i tried playing this at a friends (yes i have 1 lonely friend with a ps3, but he does have a 360 as well) i literally did nothing for the first 30 min of the game. walked a few feet boom cgi cut scene, walked into a building boom cgi cut scene, crawled under a truck.....

i think we know what the bluray disk was filled with now.
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6/21/08 at 8:13am
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oooooooooh do you??? it's too bad you're not on xbox live, i'd love to dangle your a55 silly. NHL08 is probably the most in depth realistic hockey game to date. EA must be applauded for their achievement.

Edit: and this is where it astonishes me that you wouldn't want to use the xbox 360's controller. the skill stick is impossible on the PS3's remote, i don't know how you do it.

Yeah it is good, but they really just have to work on the quirks. It can be quit frustrating when an icing or offside randomly is not called. You can also still get away with "cheap" goals which drive me nuts when playing online.

I'm not sure how you find the DS3 controller difficult, the right analog is in the same spot, it is only the left that is different from the 360 controller. When I first got the PS3, I did find it awkward but that is just because I was used to another controller.
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6/21/08 at 8:25am
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Yeah it is good, but they really just have to work on the quirks. It can be quit frustrating when an icing or offside randomly is not called. You can also still get away with "cheap" goals which drive me nuts when playing online.

I'm not sure how you find the DS3 controller difficult, the right analog is in the same spot, it is only the left that is different from the 360 controller. When I first got the PS3, I did find it awkward but that is just because I was used to another controller.

lol, um that's what makes it impossible for FPS games and games like NHL. It's just not ergonomical, and it's hell of frustrating with those stupid shoulder buttons. the only thing i like the DS3 for is fighting games, thats it.

yeah, i've pretty much mastered every single scoring strategy in NHL. the one timer infront of the net, the quick wrist upper shelf, the deke, everything. like i said, i dangle kids online hard.
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post #2324 of 2640
6/21/08 at 9:17am
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i think we know what the bluray disk was filled with now.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

See now we all know that you just have bad taste.

Problem solved!
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6/21/08 at 4:31pm
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Yeah, saying it was their last game was basically to get people really worked up. I don't know how some of you can stomach a game with 10+ hours of cheesy cringe worthy dialogue and convoluted story telling anymore after this final chapter.

I guess cuz it's a game trying to get away with trying to be like a movie it's ok but hell i tried playing this at a friends (yes i have 1 lonely friend with a ps3, but he does have a 360 as well) i literally did nothing for the first 30 min of the game. walked a few feet boom cgi cut scene, walked into a building boom cgi cut scene, crawled under a truck.....

i think we know what the bluray disk was filled with now.

I guess you just dont get it.. but then I dont get NHL or Madden or Halo.. so what does that tell us? nothing.
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post #2326 of 2640
6/22/08 at 12:48am
I don't know you guys are all on about. I just finished MGS4 and I loved it. I'm about to start playing it again. This time I'm going for no kills, and no alerts.
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post #2327 of 2640
6/22/08 at 11:39am
Nice! Good luck! What difficulty?

I'm on my 4th playthrough. So much fun!

MGO is so addicting though, I have to properly accolate time for each!
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post #2328 of 2640
6/23/08 at 7:49am
Hi fellow MGS-ers

just played for the first time last night... in typical MGS fasion I didnt get to sleep till 4am! and now I have snake eyes (everywhere I look, there he is! )

WOW WOW WOW

AND WOW again!

that is one seriously epically cinematic game.

I've worked my way into part 2 solid sun. (I think?) just following Meryls footprints when I HAD to stop.

I havent been this stunned or engrossed in a game since.. since... MGS2

Will have to find more time to play, maybe tomorrow if I can spare a few hours, but seriously

WOW!
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post #2329 of 2640
6/23/08 at 4:34pm
Wow is right. On this guitar forum I frequent, there is a gaming thread, and everyone there is feeling the same way.

Wow. Simply wow.

On my fifth playthrough right now!

I'll be picking up Ratchet and Clank, as well. I thought it was just an ok game (haven't played it) just from hearing things here and there, but on metacritic it got an average of 89/100! That's really solid!
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post #2330 of 2640
6/24/08 at 11:32am
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I'll be picking up Ratchet and Clank, as well. I thought it was just an ok game (haven't played it) just from hearing things here and there, but on metacritic it got an average of 89/100! That's really solid!

It was one of the first really excellent system exclusives.
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post #2331 of 2640
6/24/08 at 1:49pm
Look guys, I understand news on the plastic disc front will be slow to come until we head into the Christmas season or the next rev of the Mac Pro.

But seriously, take the gaming reviews and discussion to its own thread. This is getting really tiresome.
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post #2332 of 2640
6/24/08 at 4:42pm
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Look guys, I understand news on the plastic disc front will be slow to come until we head into the Christmas season or the next rev of the Mac Pro.

But seriously, take the gaming reviews and discussion to its own thread. This is getting really tiresome.

very true.

but tell me you never diverted the thread off topic in any way?
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6/24/08 at 5:38pm
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Look guys, I understand news on the plastic disc front will be slow to come until we head into the Christmas season or the next rev of the Mac Pro.

But seriously, take the gaming reviews and discussion to its own thread. This is getting really tiresome.

why? is it bothering anyone? it's pretty lively in here. not to mention the extent of blu-ray success hinders on the ps3, and/or vice versa
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6/24/08 at 6:07pm
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Look guys, I understand news on the plastic disc front will be slow to come until we head into the Christmas season or the next rev of the Mac Pro.

But seriously, take the gaming reviews and discussion to its own thread. This is getting really tiresome.

Well, it's not completely OT. The current scenario is pretty much in-line with early predictions made on the AVSforum. Some AVSforum members did predict that the popularity and focus of HDM on Blu-ray discs will diminish when popular PS3 games are released because the blu-ray hardware installed base is mainly contributed by PS3. One supporting reasoning was that when/if a great game is released on the PS3 platform, majority of the blu-ray supporters on PS3 will lose interest for HDM and spend more time on playing the game. It has been already said by few of the members here that they're losing sleep because of the newly released PS3 game. I don't think I've heard a single person claiming to lose sleep over a HDM released on BD.

In any case, this thread is a living proof of HDM losing traction, and it seems as it will get worse with popular games being released on PS3. I don't see how apple will engage in such market even for a data storage media solution. Unless someone figures out how to copy and burn ps3 games or blu-ray HDM on a mac, I don't see apple getting involved in blu-ray optical technology anytime soon nor this thread being moved to general or current hardware forum any time soon.
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post #2335 of 2640
6/24/08 at 6:37pm
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why? is it bothering anyone? it's pretty lively in here.

I wouldn't call this lively.

Besides, I don't think it would be a good idea for a gaming thread to exist.
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post #2336 of 2640
6/24/08 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by walter Slocombe View Post

very True.

But Tell Me You Never Diverted The Thread Off Topic In Any Way?

:d:d:d
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post #2337 of 2640
6/25/08 at 3:19pm
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Weinstein Co. finally goes Blu-ray

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/14612.cfm

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Weinstein Co. has announced the launch of the "The Mist" on Blu-ray disc, meaning it will become the last major studio to make the jump over to the victorious HD format.

The Weinstein's first theatrical Blu-ray film will hit retailers on August 5th and will be the first HD movie release from the studio since the demise of HD DVD in February.

The disc will include "extensive extras" including audio commentary with director Frank Darabont, multiple making-of featurettes, deleted scenes, a series of behind-the-scenes Webisodes, as well as theatrical trailers.

The movie will be special 2-disc edition with one version being the original theatrical release and the second being a "black and white" version of the film. Each will ship with 1080p video and Dolby TrueHD 5.1 Surround audio.

Finally. Enough said.
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post #2338 of 2640
6/26/08 at 4:43am
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vide...l-Gear-Solid-4


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post #2339 of 2640
6/26/08 at 6:30am
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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vide...l-Gear-Solid-4



well theres 5 mins I'll never get back.

funny, must have been fairly easy to find the only negative review of the game due to the high hit count it was designed to generate.

"internet journalism" at its bes.. most obvious, mm?
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post #2340 of 2640
6/26/08 at 8:21am
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well theres 5 mins I'll never get back.

funny, must have been fairly easy to find the only negative review of the game due to the high hit count it was designed to generate.

"internet journalism" at its bes.. most obvious, mm?

are you kidding? lighten up big guy, yathzee is hilarious.
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post #2341 of 2640
6/26/08 at 9:22am
Ahhhhh I love Yahtzee!!!
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post #2342 of 2640
6/26/08 at 1:34pm
Well I haven't been to this thread in awhile and here's some really good news for Blu-ray.

http://www.tvweek.com/news/2008/06/b...piece_of_t.php

Blu-ray Takes Bigger Piece of the Pie

" The water the home-entertainment industry is treading is getting Blu-er.

Thats the news that came out of an Entertainment Merchants Association report this week about U.S. consumer spending on DVDs.

Studios celebrating Sonys Blu-ray victory in the high-definition DVD format war in February were validated by an EMA estimate that spending on Blu-ray discs will overtake standard-disc sales by 2012. EMA said Blu-ray disc revenue will surge to $9.5 billion by then, up from $260 million last year. "

So it really sounds like BR has caught on!

And fast!
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post #2343 of 2640
6/26/08 at 4:55pm
Yeah. Thank you, Warner!!
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post #2344 of 2640
6/26/08 at 5:10pm
But apparently, Sony now believes in the future of downloads. Interesting.
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post #2345 of 2640
6/26/08 at 10:15pm
I hope Blu-Ray starts to save the PS3 soon for the gamers' sake. Xbox360 is still a better option for gaming but competition keeps things going for us.

From Yahoo News:

SONY HAS LOST OVER 3 BILLION ON THE PS3


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In the company's fiscal 2008 annual report, Sony revealed that they've now lost roughly $3.3 billion (that's billion with a B) on the Playstation 3 since its launch. That breaks down to $2.16 billion in 2007, followed by a notably smaller but equally daunting $1.16 billion loss in 2008.

The reason? Pricing the console below its production cost. That's right - that hefty $599 you paid for the PS3 back when it first launched was significantly cheaper than the cost of producing it in the first place, and while the retail price has come down some, the losses keep piling up.
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6/27/08 at 4:43am
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I hope Blu-Ray starts to save the PS3 soon for the gamers' sake. Xbox360 is still a better option for gaming but competition keeps things going for us.

From Yahoo News:

SONY HAS LOST OVER 3 BILLION ON THE PS3


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In the company's fiscal 2008 annual report, Sony revealed that they've now lost roughly $3.3 billion (that's billion with a B) on the Playstation 3 since its launch. That breaks down to $2.16 billion in 2007, followed by a notably smaller but equally daunting $1.16 billion loss in 2008.

The reason? Pricing the console below its production cost. That's right - that hefty $599 you paid for the PS3 back when it first launched was significantly cheaper than the cost of producing it in the first place, and while the retail price has come down some, the losses keep piling up.

it's funny isn't it? sony threw everything into the PS3 but somehow forgot to include great games

the cell- crap for gaming, blu-ray-crap for gaming, online-crap for gaming

but hell they'll continue to introduce things like "Sony Life" so you can check the weather when you turn on your console
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post #2347 of 2640
6/27/08 at 2:00pm
Oh yeah. That's not filled with fanboyism or anything.

No, that's not fanboyism. That's just idiotic.
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post #2348 of 2640
6/27/08 at 2:20pm
Here is ID Software's John Carmack explaining the development scenario for the PS3 vs the 360:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_PFUw29U4J8



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it's funny isn't it? sony threw everything into the PS3 but somehow forgot to include great games

the cell- crap for gaming, blu-ray-crap for gaming, online-crap for gaming

but hell they'll continue to introduce things like "Sony Life" so you can check the weather when you turn on your console

Well, it looks good on paper though. I'm still confused why they would develop the system that way without consulting game developers. But as it stands now for most games is that they are developed for the 360 then ported to PS3. There is more money to be had when it is a cross platform venture.
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6/27/08 at 10:19pm
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Oh yeah. That's not filled with fanboyism or anything.

No, that's not fanboyism. That's just idiotic.

no, not at all, what you talking about? ::runs away giggling::
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post #2350 of 2640
6/28/08 at 12:18am
::throws a PS3 at him which knocks him unconscious::

See? It IS good for somethign!
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post #2351 of 2640
6/28/08 at 2:10am
lets not forget the folding at home "crap" as well
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6/28/08 at 2:10am
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[ooks good on paper[/I] though. I'm still confused why they would develop the system that way without consulting game developers. But as it stands now for most games is that they are developed for the 360 then ported to PS3. There is more money to be had when it is a cross platform venture.

Sony made the same dumb decision with the PS2. It was a crappy platform for writing games.

But with the PS2, the decision worked. Companies had to bite the bullet and spend money to develop on PS2. There wasn't a credible alternative platform.

This time round, the 360 was a credible alternative. It takes longer and costs more to create a PS3 version. So naturally developers favor the 360.

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7/1/08 at 5:37pm
MCE Tech has an internal Blu-Ray recorder designed specifically for MacPros.

http://www.mcetech.com/blu-ray/index.html

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7/1/08 at 9:26pm
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MCE Tech has an internal Blu-Ray recorder designed specifically for MacPros...

Cool. Now those wedding videographers can stop whining.

So did MCE write their own drivers, or did Leopard silently add BR capabilities?
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7/2/08 at 7:10am
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Cool. Now those wedding videographers can stop whining.


No we can't. I've had a Blu-ray burner in my Mac Pro for 2 months now. This is nothing new. We still have no authoring tools. I have to jump through hoops using parallels and Windows to put anything out on Blu-ray, or shell out $750 for Premiere just for Encore. Apple has yet to offer us anything. Believe me, we can keep whining. We can whine and gripe to an extent that will put the biggest HDDVD Zealots of old to shame. [/frustrated rant]
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7/3/08 at 9:50am
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But apparently, Sony now believes in the future of downloads. Interesting.

Well here's what Sony is saying about the future of entertainment.


Sony's Stan Glasgow talks TVs, Blu-ray

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-99...l?tag=nefd.top


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The big problem in the United States is we don't have enough bandwidth to really drive content through the Internet and our pipes. Japan has much better pipes, so does Korea, so does Europe. So it's still experimental. we hope to do more in the future, and it's the first one. We're going to try and see what happens.


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Looking ahead, you're only just getting into Blu-ray. How do you see the future penetration of the format compared with DVD?
Glasgow: That's a good question. DVD took 10 years to really penetrate. We're now in the second year of Blu-ray. My guess is it will probably happen a little quicker in terms of penetration. The pricing is already coming down more quickly than DVD came down. I don't think it will take as long as 10 years, but I don't think it will penetrate to the same percentage because there's a couple of conflicting forces. Certainly, people that want the best picture are going to want it, without a doubt. People that are OK with upconverting DVD players, which is somewhere close to 600, 650, maybe 700 (lines of resolution)--that's not a bad picture either. So a lot of people may be happy with an upconverting DVD player. And (Blu-ray) may not turn over, it may not penetrate to the same extent, because (DVD) was such a big medium change from tape.

But I see it being the major format. It's won the war, that's done. Now it's a matter of: Can we provide an exceptional experience? Can we provide a social part? And can we involve the overall community in, let's say, designing applets and coming up with new things that we can't even think of today?
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7/4/08 at 8:03am
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Here is ID Software's John Carmack explaining the development scenario for the PS3 vs the 360:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_PFUw29U4J8

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That clip is from before the systems were even released. The suggested Carmack Scenario is merely a guy who didn't want to learn something new. Boo Hoo.
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7/4/08 at 8:50am
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That clip is from before the systems were even released. The suggested Carmack Scenario is merely a guy who didn't want to learn something new. Boo Hoo.

It has nothing to do with how hard it is to learn.

It's about cost of development and the speed of development.
The PS3 costs more to make the same game as a 360.
The PS3 takes longer to make the same game as the 360.

It's especially bad for companies who roll their own technology.
We saw GTA4 delayed because the PS3 version was trailing the 360 version by 6 months. **corrected** GT4 -> GTA4

Game development is a business. You spend money to create a game. And then hopefully earn that money back. The PS3 is bad for that business because it costs more to make a PS3 game than it can earn back.

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7/4/08 at 10:31am
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It has nothing to do with how hard it is to learn.

It's about cost of development and the speed of development.
The PS3 costs more to make the same game as a 360.
The PS3 takes longer to make the same game as the 360.

It's especially bad for companies who roll their own technology.
We saw GT4 delayed because the PS3 version was trailing the 360 version by 6 months.

Game development is a business. You spend money to create a game. And then hopefully earn that money back. The PS3 is bad for that business because it costs more to make a PS3 game than it can earn back.

C.

Careful, people here don't like to learn the truth about their $600 investment.
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7/4/08 at 5:21pm
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It has nothing to do with how hard it is to learn.

It's about cost of development and the speed of development.
The PS3 costs more to make the same game as a 360.
The PS3 takes longer to make the same game as the 360.

It's especially bad for companies who roll their own technology.
We saw GT4 delayed because the PS3 version was trailing the 360 version by 6 months.

Game development is a business. You spend money to create a game. And then hopefully earn that money back. The PS3 is bad for that business because it costs more to make a PS3 game than it can earn back.

C.

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Careful, people here don't like to learn the truth about their $600 investment.

Your both diluted.
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