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They are. Give it a couple days. They can't announce it yet.


From the AI report
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Update: According to Bloomberg, Paramount has denied the report by the Financial Times.

"Paramount's current plan is to continue to support the HD DVD format,'' Brenda Ciccone, a spokeswoman for Paramount, said in an e-mail.

Meanwhile, Keisuke Ohmori, a spokesman for Tokyo-based Toshiba, called the Financial Times' report "speculative."

yeah current plan as in "until the next board meeting" emergency or otherwise.

and as for "speculative" of course it is, but pretty accurate too.
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  • While I haven't downloaded an iTunes movie yet, the TV Shows have no such warning. I would be willing to bet movies don't either.
  • I'd argue the opposite. Cost is cheap! You can buy a 500 GB drive for $95/$120 (internal/external). People have done the math in other threads, but that should be able to hold 25+ 1080p movies. Slap four in a machine, and you have the storage capacity for 100+ movies at the cost of a Blu-Ray player.
  • You wont HAVE to backup, if the place you download from allows for new downloads of purchased material.
  • You want to bring your copy, sync it to the internal drive of the AppleTV and carry that with you. Still portable, and you don't have to worry if the person you are going to has a Blu-Ray or HD DVD player (or none for that matter). The AppleTV is extremely light, easy to carry, not much bigger than 2 DVD cases.
  • DVD data can be corrupted, its called a scratched disk. And in all my years of owning and operating a computer, I've never just had data "go bad" while sitting on a drive.
  • Why wouldn't special features be possible on a digital download?
  • On-demand could support whatever you want, there is no limit unlike HD DVD and Blu-Ray. Why do you feel On-demand is limited to 720p?
  • This has been discussed in other threads before. The time to download a full 1080p movie is not long (6 hours I think it was calculated at todays speeds). Sure, a trip to blockbuster is faster, but people wait a day or two for movies from Netflix. How would a 6 hour download differ?

I'm too lazy to split this quote up, so I'm just going to respond to a few things that come to mind at first. I'll probably miss a few items.

Do TV shows have that warning when they are broadcast on TV? No. Especially because unlike movie, you ARE allowed to record TV shows for personal use such as with VHS or DVR.

The point about Netflix is that you don't have to browse or select movies. You keep a list if movie you want, even if they are not out yet, and Netflix sends it to you as soon as it's available. When you return it, it sends you the next movie on your list. You are never without a movie with Netflix.

1080p is unrealistic right now because of speeds and bandwidth. People want instant gratification. You can't stream 1080p unless your on a blazing connection.

You have to think of it in the sense that each Blu-Ray disc can hold 100GB, maybe even 150GB with the triple layer disc. At $5 a disc you get 100GB of storage. That's $0.05 per gigabyte. A 500GB of storage at a decent disk speed, from a reliable company is more like $150, but let's assume it's $120. The cost per gigabyte is just under a quarter. Per gigabyte, you're paying 20 cents extra on the hard drive. But that doesn't even account for the fact that the cost of distribution is distributed in the price of the digital file almost as much as the cost of the media is distributed in the cost of the physical media from a vendor like Amazon. And you know that as soon as one of the formats wins, the cost of DVDs will get slashed as the volume of sales goes up.
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You have to think of it in the sense that each Blu-Ray disc can hold 100GB, maybe even 150GB with the triple layer disc. At $5 a disc you get 100GB of storage. That's $0.05 per gigabyte. A 500GB of storage at a decent disk speed, from a reliable company is more like $150, but let's assume it's $120. The cost per gigabyte is just under a quarter. Per gigabyte, you're paying 20 cents extra on the hard drive. But that doesn't even account for the fact that the cost of distribution is distributed in the price of the digital file almost as much as the cost of the media is distributed in the cost of the physical media from a vendor like Amazon. And you know that as soon as one of the formats wins, the cost of DVDs will get slashed as the volume of sales goes up.

Blu-ray disc holds 25GB/layer not 50, BTW, not that it makes much difference. However, you would need to wait very long time before you can buy 4-layer 100 GB blu-ray media disc for $5, and have a burner($) that can burn 4 layers, if it ever materializes out of the lab.
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I'm too lazy to split this quote up, so I'm just going to respond to a few things that come to mind at first. I'll probably miss a few items.

Do TV shows have that warning when they are broadcast on TV? No. Especially because unlike movie, you ARE allowed to record TV shows for personal use such as with VHS or DVR.

My question still stands, do movie downloads from iTunes right now have FBI warnings?

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The point about Netflix is that you don't have to browse or select movies. You keep a list if movie you want, even if they are not out yet, and Netflix sends it to you as soon as it's available. When you return it, it sends you the next movie on your list. You are never without a movie with Netflix.

Same situation here. Just select 50 movies you want, and they will be queued up and download as they can. Again, you would never be without a movie. Plus, Netflix has a turn around of minimum 2 days. On-demand video downloads TODAY would be faster than that for a movie.

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1080p is unrealistic right now because of speeds and bandwidth. People want instant gratification. You can't stream 1080p unless your on a blazing connection.

Streaming I will agree with is not possible today. However, you can easily start a movie downloading in the morning, and it would be ready for you in the evening. The math has been done in other threads, so I wont rehash it here. But a 1080p movie is downloadable over a 3Mbps connection in 12 hours (thats with 80% line saturation).

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You have to think of it in the sense that each Blu-Ray disc can hold 100GB, maybe even 150GB with the triple layer disc.

A double-layer disk holds 50GB, so for a 150GB disk you'd need 6 layers.

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At $5 a disc you get 100GB of storage. That's $0.05 per gigabyte. A 500GB of storage at a decent disk speed, from a reliable company is more like $150, but let's assume it's $120. The cost per gigabyte is just under a quarter. Per gigabyte, you're paying 20 cents extra on the hard drive...

Where are you getting your numbers from? First, there are no 100GB disk. Second $5? Are you a bit ahead of the times here? Third, a "500GB of storage at a decent disk speed, from a reliable company" is $96.99 (WD Caviar SE16 500GB Hard Drive). You need to do some more research my friend before you start throwing around numbers.
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Streaming I will agree with is not possible today. However, you can easily start a movie downloading in the morning, and it would be ready for you in the evening. The math has been done in other threads, so I wont rehash it here. But a 1080p movie is downloadable over a 3Mbps connection in 12 hours (thats with 80% line saturation).

I have a 6 Mbps DSL connetion and I am able to download 640k/s, which in an hour will download about 2.3 GB. Therefore, an hour or two of buffering time will allow 1080p streaming on most movies encoded with DD, DTS, or DD+ audio track. I would guess adding lossless audio would mean longer buffer time or faster download speed, but we're getting close to having the live streaming possible on hidef contents.
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My question still stands, do movie downloads from iTunes right now have FBI warnings?

I don't know, I haven't purchased one. I would presume so. But honestly, you are just grasping at straws here. That is totally irrelevant. Who cares about a 10 second FBI warning anyways?


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Same situation here. Just select 50 movies you want, and they will be queued up and download as they can. Again, you would never be without a movie. Plus, Netflix has a turn around of minimum 2 days. On-demand video downloads TODAY would be faster than that for a movie.

NO! Netflix usually gets movies delivered next day. Unless you already have your maximum out, you'd have to wait the one day to send it back, and then one day to get the new movie, but that's a big unless as most don't have the maximum out.

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Streaming I will agree with is not possible today. However, you can easily start a movie downloading in the morning, and it would be ready for you in the evening. The math has been done in other threads, so I wont rehash it here. But a 1080p movie is downloadable over a 3Mbps connection in 12 hours (thats with 80% line saturation).

You are completely ignoring so many factors of reality. If everybody were to download movies on-demand the internet would be extremely slow. Our current internet infrastructure simply is not capable of handling this kind of bandwidth. That's not to say this won't change because it will, but for now on-demand over the internet in full-HD and as a primary source of movie distribution is not realistic.

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A double-layer disk holds 50GB, so for a 150GB disk you'd need 6 layers.
Where are you getting your numbers from? First, there are no 100GB disk. Second $5? Are you a bit ahead of the times here? Third, a "500GB of storage at a decent disk speed, from a reliable company" is $96.99 (WD Caviar SE16 500GB Hard Drive). You need to do some more research my friend before you start throwing around numbers.

I made a mistake – I was forgetting that the dual-layer disc was 50GB, and the single-layer disc was 25. Regardless, Blu-Ray has succeeded in making triple an quad layer discs, although they are not in use yet.

Regarding the 500GB hard drive, I literally went to New Egg and the first 500GB hard drive (7200) that appeared and that was $149.

But anyways, according to the Blu-Ray group, the replication cost of a blu-ray disc is in the single digit of Euro cents. Assuming 9 cents, the largest single digit value, at todays exchange rate, that's $0.132, or around 13 cents. So I'm sorry, I was wrong. The actual cost per 1GB is $0.00264, or a quarter of a cent... assuming of course a 50GB disc.

Let's just put it this way: the cost of Storage is built into the cost when buying a DVD. The cost of a digital download (perhaps SLIGHTLY cheaper), does account for the cost of storage. If you combine the cost of storage with the cost of of the digital on-demand download, you'll likely be paying more than if you just buy the DVD.
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Yep. That and the only way you can lose your entire movie collection with physical media is a housefire, act of god or theft; not very common. But with digital downloads, a hard drive failure means you lose your entire collection instantly. I'd bet nearly everyone has been the victim of a hard drive failure or seven in their lifetime. I think we need massive solid-state storage before we can seriously think about putting thousands of dollars of movies in a box the size of your hand.

I have lost more DVDs and CDs to kids than I have to theft, housefire or acts of god. I have lost more DVDs and CDs than I have lost hard drives.

If I had a multi-terrabyte media collection it would be on a RAID 10 array or ZFS RAID-Z. Then no single or double HD failure would lose data.

If I were really paranoid, I'd look for remote backup somewhere and then not have to worry about housefire, act of god or theft.
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Those who won't agree that this has any significance will get very vocal, but I include it anyway.

M$ feeling the Blu glow?
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Those who won't agree that this has any significance will get very vocal, but I include it anyway.

M$ feeling the Blu glow?

I don't think that means anything more than is said. Since MS doesn't have anything more than an internal DVD drive, they could release an external BR drive with little effort and anyone with an XBOX could use it. They're well positioned to deal with either format in the long run. It doesn't help them much as far as games that may require multiple discs but at least their console is agnostic as far as support of HD formats.
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Batman Begins and Matrix coming to BD with PiP
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Batman Begins and Matrix coming to BD with PiP

Thanks Marz..


I'm feeling Blu
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I'm feeling very blue because I won't be able to afford Blu for quite awhile.

I still have a lot of HD DVD to get through though. Hopefully the unofficial death of HDDVD will spur HDM adoption and studios will start taking advantage of the extra bandwidth of Blu-Ray. I think that'll only matter in crazy-go-nuts action scenes, but it will be beneficial.
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Thanks Marz..


I'm feeling Blu

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Poor HD DVD. When it rains, it pours:
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Both Paramount and Universal are biding their time and follow Warner's switch to Blu-ray within a matter of weeks, according to established movie writer Bill Hunt of Digital Bits. Sources "second to none" allege that these two remaining major supports of HD DVD are ready to switch to releasing Blu-ray movies but are waiting on the right conditions to announce the move, regardless of obligations. While Universal is waiting on its current contract to expire by February, Paramount is simply waiting to have one or more titles ready before it exercises its now corroborated opt-out clause from its HD DVD exclusivity deal, the insiders say.

If accurate, the transition would all but immediately end the conflict between Blu-ray and HD DVD, placing all major studios in support of the former HD disc standard. The Warner shift is already understood to have given roughly 70 percent of all HD movie releases to Blu-ray and resulted in the HD DVD Promotional Group postponing its keynote for this week's Consumer Electronics Show, which has now been canceled outright.

Toshiba should probably get started on some combo players if they have any interest in selling anything that plays discs this year.

So...how long before a consumer can buy a finished Blu-Ray player?
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Do you mean a PS3?
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Do you mean a PS3?

I mean besides a $400 game console.
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$400 is a good price for that machine and all that's it is capable of.
It's a good and relevant item for your living room for at least 5 years.
post #458 of 2640
Philips will have a $350 1.1 player out in April.

But $400 for the PS3 is a pretty good price. It's still considered one of the best. The traditional remote is extra, though.
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[P]So...how long before a consumer can buy a finished Blu-Ray player?[/P]

A Profile 1.1 player is just as finished as a Profile 2.0 player. The current Panasonic player is 1.1.
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Poor HD DVD. When it rains, it pours:

Toshiba should probably get started on some combo players if they have any interest in selling anything that plays discs this year.

So...how long before a consumer can buy a finished Blu-Ray player?

If anyone, Toshiba would make a great combo player for sure. The HD-XA2 is still considered the best video player out there on the market under $2k budget.

As for the Blu-ray standalone players, I believe only the profile 1.1 is a mandated spec since end of Nov. 2007. The profile 2.0 (BD Live) will take longer time to be implemented as a mandated blu-ray hardware spec. I guess this is one way to make consumers upgrade their hardwares or force feed BD supporters with PS3.
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If anyone, Toshiba would make a great combo player for sure. The HD-XA2 is still considered the best video player out there on the market under $2k budget.

As for the Blu-ray standalone players, I believe only the profile 1.1 is a mandated spec since end of Nov. 2007. The profile 2.0 (BD Live) will take longer time to be implemented as a mandated blu-ray hardware spec. I guess this is one way to make consumers upgrade their hardwares or force feed BD supporters with PS3.

Do you think anyone is going to care enough to upgrade from 1.1 to 2.0 just so they can link to the internet. OMG I can go directly to a website where I can buy stuff from the movie! Wowee! Most people don't care about PiP to go 1.1 let alone go 2.0 for internet bonuses.
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Do you think anyone is going to care enough to upgrade from 1.1 to 2.0 just so they can link to the internet. OMG I can go directly to a website where I can buy stuff from the movie! Wowee! Most people don't care about PiP to go 1.1 let alone go 2.0 for internet bonuses.

Obviously, the studios and the BDA do care about profile 1.0/1.1/2.0, hence the mandated hardware spec. Your personal preference to use it or not to use it is your own decision, though.
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HBO goes Blu-ray exclusive

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/ne...ve-hddvd.phtml

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10 January 2008 17:52 GMT - HBO, the makers of Sex in the City, The Sopranos, Six Feet Under and Curb Your Ethusiasm has announced that it will be going Blu-ray exclusive.

The move, which won't come as too much of a surprise to industry pundits as it follows its parent company Time Warner announcing earlier this month that Warner Bros. was ditching HD DVD.

HBO Video president Henry McGee has been reported as saying that HBO will be following the same policy as Warner Home Video.

HBO has recently released season six of one of the most popular TV DVD sellers of all time, The Sopranos, on both Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD.

No word as to whether the rest of the seasons will be available on HD DVD, but our expectations would be that Sopranos fans are going to have to buy into Blu-ray if they want a HD experience.

First Warner, then New Line, and now HBO. HD DVD is finished if it doesn't have Lord of the Rings...totally looking forward to that one.
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Obviously, the studios and the BDA do care about profile 1.0/1.1/2.0, hence the mandated hardware spec. Your personal preference to use it or not to use it is your own decision, though.

Panasonic already will have a 2.0 player on the market in the coming months. Did you and Corey miss that post? So, your obvious complaints are somewhat moot, as 2.0 players will have what you are looking for.
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Universal's Commitment to Backing HD DVD Exclusively has Ended

http://www.variety.com/article/VR111...goryid=20&cs=1

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The two remaining studios backing HD DVD could switch sides soon, ending the high-def format war instantly.

Daily Variety has confirmed that Universal's commitment to backing HD DVD exclusively has ended. And Paramount has an escape clause in its HD DVD contract allowing it to release pics on Blu-ray after Warner Bros.' decision to back that format exclusively.

Neither studio is ready to throw in the towel immediately, however. Universal is committed to a series of promotions for the high-def format in coming months, and Par has said its current plans are to keep supporting HD DVD, which it backed exclusively in August.

Should Toshiba concede defeat on the format, the decision to drop HD DVD would be made for both studios. But Toshiba doesn't appear ready to do that. At the Consumer Electronics Show, the manufacturer reaffirmed its commitment to the format, noting strong sales during the fourth quarter and indicating it would continue marketing its hardware through 2008.

But retailers may force the HD DVD camp's hand: They're unlikely to keep devoting premium shelf space to a dying format, and at this point, the odds are not in HD DVD's favor. With Warners' defection, only Par and U remain in the HD DVD camp; Sony, Disney, Fox, Lionsgate remain ardent Blu-ray backers. Warner sister companies New Line and HBO are also shifting allegiance to Blu-ray.

Last summer, Blockbuster also threw its weight behind Blu-ray, though some HD DVD discs remain in stores.

And Warner will continue to release HD DVD discs for the next few months to honor its previous commitment to Toshiba, which extends through May 31. Paramount's HD DVD deal, which covers DreamWorks releases, was to run through this year.

Ohh, this sum's it up nicely...

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You know Marz, I'm not a huge fan of most of the pics you insert in some of these threads but that one got me LOL'ing.
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$400 is a good price for that machine and all that's it is capable of.
It's a good and relevant item for your living room for at least 5 years.


umm no, not really. you're basically paying $400 for a bluray player. the ps3 as a gaming machine is a piece of poo.

the 360 is a true gaming machine, now if it decides to incorporate future bluray players internal or external then thats a great deal for $400.

bluray players need to drop to $150 for me to purchase one.
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umm no, not really. you're basically paying $400 for a bluray player. the ps3 as a gaming machine is a piece of poo.

the 360 is a true gaming machine, now if it decides to incorporate future bluray players internal or external then thats a great deal for $400.

bluray players need to drop to $150 for me to purchase one.

How can you say that the 360 is a better gaming machine than the PS3?

Is there a new game that involves eliminating the red ring of death?

At least the remote doesn't end up embedded in the TV like with the Wii. I still think the Wii is very gimmicky, but I have of course been proven conclusively wrong by about half the planet by now.

The PS3 is the console that will last the distance, the 360 is looking decidedly second rate these days - no HD, major reliability problems, tacky design. They do at least have the odd ok game.
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umm no, not really. you're basically paying $400 for a bluray player. the ps3 as a gaming machine is a piece of poo.

the 360 is a true gaming machine, now if it decides to incorporate future bluray players internal or external then thats a great deal for $400.

bluray players need to drop to $150 for me to purchase one.

That is such bull shit. The PS3 is a better system, and the gameplay proves it. UT3 can not even fit on an 360 Disk. When and if the 360 version comes out the game is going to be smaller than the PS3 version, Lower resolution, less Maps, less content. Confirmed!, Uncharted on the 360... Not a chance. All the texture Maps in full HD resolution, and take up over 20GB of disk. Not going to happen. TimeShift on the 360... Plays like shit. That's what everybody says. The System can not handle the game. PS3.. Flawless. So don't give me that PS3 is a bogus system nonsense.
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More from Bill Hunt...

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The big high-def news so far this morning is that Daily Variety has confirmed that Paramount has an escape clause on their contract with HD-DVD, and that Universal's contractual period for exclusivity has ended. This means both studios are free to decide to go neutral or Blu-ray only at any time. The piece says that while these studios aren't quite ready to throw in the towel yet, and neither is Toshiba, retailers are likely to force their hand based on sales.

On that note, Reuters spoke with a number of retailers at CES who, contrary to Toshiba's claims of being supportive, seem afraid of the format war continuing to drag on. Says Wal-Mart's senior vice president in charge of electronics, Gary Severson: "It would be our hope that by this Christmas there would be a clearer choice for the customer, instead of battling back and forth." Best Buy CEO Brad Anderson adds that Warner's decision makes it "a lot easier to see the likelihood that we get to one format, and it makes it easier for us as retailers to help push it to that one format." None of these retailers are likely to immediately remove HD-DVD from their store shelves, for fear of angering those consumers who just purchased the format over the holidays. However, you can be certain that they'll be watching sales figures and will react accordingly.

In order to better assess retailers' possible next moves, we contacted a variety of local Orange County, CA retail locations yesterday (including Best Buy and Circuit City stores, as well as Frys Electronics and a couple of specialty retailers) for an informal poll, and have learned that since Warner's decision on Friday, Blu-ray Disc hardware has begun outselling HD-DVD hardware dramatically, jumping from 3 to 1 early last week to a factor of roughly 20 to 1 (on average) over the weekend. Sales people are now more confidently recommending Blu-ray to their customers as the preferred of the two formats, and there have apparently been returns of HD-DVD decks. Said one Best Buy employee yesterday of HD-DVD: "We'll keep it around until it goes on clearance, but in a couple months, it probably won't be there anymore."

The number of HD-DVD players available for sale on eBay appears to have spiked over the weekend as well.

It gets worse for HD-DVD today. Constantin Film AG (one of Germany's top indie film companies) has announced that it too will go all Blu-ray in the wake of Warner's move, according to the Hollywood Reporter.

Finally, research firm Understanding and Solutions is now predicting that Blu-ray will win the high-def format war by the end of 2008. We suspect it won't take nearly that long.

Back with more in a bit. Stay tuned...

So what do you guys think? Early/late February, we'll have Paramount and Universal capitulating?
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Panasonic already will have a 2.0 player on the market in the coming months. Did you and Corey miss that post? So, your obvious complaints are somewhat moot, as 2.0 players will have what you are looking for.

Panasonic profile 2.0 player is not on the market. It was shown at CES without the release date and price. You may quote me again when it's really on the market.

I'll probably will not spend more than $400 on a panasonic profile 2.0 player, unless it comes packed with Combo drive, Reon VX video processor, Sharc DSP, and Bur Brown DAC for multi-channel analog out. Of course, HDMI 1.3 would be given.

I'm sure my HTPC with a future $99 combo drive will perform well as future panasonic profile 2.0 blu-ray player at much higher price.
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HBO goes Blu-ray exclusive

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/ne...ve-hddvd.phtml



First Warner, then New Line, and now HBO. HD DVD is finished if it doesn't have Lord of the Rings...totally looking forward to that one.

I agree HD-DVD is toast now. But, HBO and New Line are either wholly owned or partially owned by Warner Bros. So it's not like they made their own decisions as to which format to support.
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post #474 of 2640
The evil that we fight is but the shadow of the evil that we do.
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post #475 of 2640
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That is such bull shit. The PS3 is a better system, and the gameplay proves it. UT3 can not even fit on an 360 Disk. When and if the 360 version comes out the game is going to be smaller than the PS3 version, Lower resolution, less Maps, less content. Confirmed!, Uncharted on the 360... Not a chance. All the texture Maps in full HD resolution, and take up over 20GB of disk. Not going to happen. TimeShift on the 360... Plays like shit. That's what everybody says. The System can not handle the game. PS3.. Flawless. So don't give me that PS3 is a bogus system nonsense.


oh wow, bring your fanboy a55 over to any other neutral gaming forum and watch this paragraph get torn to shreds.

the 360 has already proven it has better graphical capabilities. the ps3's cell is a b/tch to program for and you constantly see cross platform games look and even play better on the 360. i mean for god sakes i know this is an apple forum and its usually anti-microsoft everything but seriously all it takes is a quick peak around any gaming blog, magazine, or site to see how the ps3 has been received.

the best games of this generation have been on the 360. UT didn't even sell well on the ps3, i'm sure its a decent game and the online will be infinitely better on the 360 but thats all you have? UT and Uncharted? sad.

the whole disk storage hoopla has already been deflated. also, the higher resolution myth has been debunked and with added insult (360 games are known to have higher frame rates).

honestly, where have you been man? you need a serious update.

AAA 360 titles
Halo 3 (best selling game of 2007)
Bioshock (game of the year 2007)
Gears of War (game of the year 2006)
Mass Effect
Forza 2
Crackdown
Dead or Alive 5
Saints Row
Dead Rising
Project Gotham Racing 3


just to name a few.
post #476 of 2640
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Originally Posted by Elixir View Post

oh wow, bring your fanboy a55 over to any other neutral gaming forum and watch this paragraph get torn to shreds.

the 360 has already proven it has better graphical capabilities. the ps3's cell is a b/tch to program for and you constantly see cross platform games look and even play better on the 360. i mean for god sakes i know this is an apple forum and its usually anti-microsoft everything but seriously all it takes is a quick peak around any gaming blog, magazine, or site to see how the ps3 has been received.

the best games of this generation have been on the 360. UT didn't even sell well on the ps3, i'm sure its a decent game and the online will be infinitely better on the 360 but thats all you have? UT and Uncharted? sad.

the whole disk storage hoopla has already been deflated. also, the higher resolution myth has been debunked and with added insult (360 games are known to have higher frame rates).

honestly, where have you been man? you need a serious update.

AAA 360 titles
Halo 3 (best selling game of 2007)
Bioshock (game of the year 2007)
Gears of War (game of the year 2006)
Mass Effect
Forza 2
Crackdown
Dead or Alive 5
Saints Row
Dead Rising
Project Gotham Racing 3


just to name a few.

360 refers of course to the number of minutes the console lasts before you need to take it in for repairs.
post #477 of 2640
hey,i never said the console was flawless. the failure rate is a bit ridiculous but they have resolved it (thank god). at least the console has amazing content and the best online service (with the best arcade and retro games available). coincidently the only thing saving the ps3 from utter failure is the bluray functionality.

oh, and i dont normally do this but hell just to stick it to the blind faithfuls in here

According to Metacritic.com

Xbox 360 games Ratings

1\tBioShock\t96
2\tOrange Box, The\t96
3\tGears of War\t94
4\tElder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, The\t94
5\tCall of Duty 4: Modern Warfare\t94
6\tHalo 3\t94
7\tRock Band\t93
8\tGuitar Hero II\t92
9\tMass Effect\t91
10\tTom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter\t90
11\tForza Motorsport 2\t90
12\tCall of Duty 2\t89
13\tCastlevania: Symphony of the Night\t89
14\tTom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas\t89
15\tBurnout Revenge\t89
16\tVirtua Fighter 5\t88
17\tProject Gotham Racing 3\t88
18\tPuzzle Quest: Challenge of the Warlords\t87
19\tElder Scrolls IV: Shivering Isles, The\t86
20\tGeometry Wars: Retro Evolved\t86


PS3 games Ratings

1\tCall of Duty 4: Modern Warfare\t94
2\tElder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, The\t93
3\tRock Band\t92
4\tBurnout Paradise\t90
5\tRatchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction\t88
6\tNinja Gaiden Sigma\t88
7\tUncharted: Drake's Fortune\t88
8\tOrange Box, The\t88
9\tResistance: Fall of Man\t86
10\tUnreal Tournament 3\t86
11\tNHL 08\t86
12\tTom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas\t86
13\tEveryday Shooter\t85
14\tVirtua Fighter 5\t85
15\tTom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2\t84
16\tskate\t84
17\tMotorStorm (JPN Import Version)\t84
18\tWarhawk\t84
19\tSingStar\t84
20\tSuper Stardust HD\t84




notice the hilarity of the majority of the ps3's highest scoring games.
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but hell just to stick it to the blind faithfuls in here

Hey, pot, scream at many black kettles?
I don't see how an anti M$ stance can be seen as a bad thing on an Apple forum I really can't!

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post #480 of 2640
More on the Constantin news.

Kind of inevitable given the ratio of sales in Europe.
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