Blu-ray vs. HD DVD (2008) - Page 14

Ya know? The whole game console pissing match is getting old. Can we stick to the whole BR vs. HD DVD thing and leave out the 360 unless you're talking about it with regard to HD DVD playback? Yeah, I'll bias toward the PS3 since all PS3's play Blu Ray.

For the record, I've got a Wii and a PS3 and they both get the same amount of play.

If there has to be a slugfest between PS3 and the 360, open a thread in General Discussion since it's not future hardware and isn't to do with Apple at all at any rate.

Ok, last console related thing in this thread, since Elixir asked what space issues I was referring to.

again, constant future examples. just like the ps3's killer library will only be sometime in the future

right now, RIGHT NOW, there is yet to be a game that needed bluray. a game like final fantasy would probably require multiple disks but thats as far as it would go.

bluray does not improve your actual gaming experience.

end of story.


edit: and when i look up La Noir this is what i got http://kotaku.com/340738/la-noire-co...-yes-of-course Jan 4th 2008



So where and when did you get your quote? i mean you're talking about a game years away, so far away that no one knows when its coming out nor for whom is it coming out for (if it is even exclusive at all).

developers know if they want to make money they have to bring the game to the 360. releasing a game souly for the ps3 is risky business in the current state of things.

Amazon has another huge Blu-ray Disc sale. Close Encounters of the Thrid Kind is selling for $23.95!

Could have said it better myself.

Ya know the threads that have been running on this topic have managed to cover a fairly broad range of topics, and have always managed to get back on topic NATURALLY they dont need any dire warnings. I do have to laugh at the irony of "The whole game console pissing match is getting old."
the whole BD Vs HD-DVD pissing match HAS BEEN old for a while now, but still, with the help of going slightly OT, manages to remain as fresh as it can do.

If someone posts a relevant statement that another poster believes to be wrong or incorrect or just plain badly informed, isn't it part of the reason we are here "discussion" that posters can feel free to reply to that satement without being told not to?

If free discussion is not permitted, then please direct us to where thats stated in the forum guidelines on posting.

Why don't you then?

I just watched Engadget's video interview with a Sony rep regarding BDLive, and besides the fact that they're only using it to pedal shit like ringtones (which didn't even work in his demo), their BDLive-capable players aren't going to be available until December

I guess anyone who wants to watch high definition movies, and actually be able to use the features on discs coming out this year, is just supposed to drop $400 on Sony's ugly-ass game console

Even with HD DVD pretty much out of the picture, Blu-Ray's going to have a tough year ahead of them if they can't 1.) get their freakin' moving target of a format nailed down and 2.) get their player prices down to a realistic level. The only way I'm blowing over $200 on a disc player is if it's dual format.

It wasn't a dire warning of any sort. It's just that one slapfight was enough for this thread and since it had nothing to do with HD, since the 360 is crippled in this regard it seemed tiring to see the thread decay that way.

I think its nicer if we can segregate our arguments into neater categories.

Their = Sony

The rep actually says SUMMER 08 in the clip, not December.

yeah but, you know, he also thinks sony is a four letter word.

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amazing that the rabid ones swooned and fell over because HD-DVD had ringtone sales "built in" but now its only "crap" like some of us have been saying all along.

I'm REALLY too lazy to go back and look, but it seems to me that certain parties keep saying "The only way I'm blowing over $xxx on a disc player is if it's dual format." but the xxx keeps getting lower and lower, leaving one with the impression that they just want to weep and moan, complaining about the fact they will "never" get one any way, no matter how low the price.

No wonder Warner switched.

You're mistaken, cowboy. I'm willing to spend as much as $500 on a dual-format player, which is what I intend to do this May. If I were to purchase a player which only plays one format, in that case I'm not willing to spend over $200. The frustrating part is that even today's $500 players won't be capable of using BDLive features, because they have no ethernet ports (except for the PS3 of course). If I misunderstood and the rep actually said Summer 08 instead of December 08, then that's very good news. Hopefully Sammy's dual-format players will be firmware-upgradeable to support BDLive.

Sorry, that's a complete load of crap.

Actually it is well established (amongst developers) that the 360 has a superior GPU to the PS3. Not hugely better, but enough to be noteworthy. And the PS3 is harder to develop for, and that isn't a function of the MS developers being "second rate hacks".

Yeah I noticed the lack of awareness of the PS3's less than impressive results as a gaming console around here as well. I think most people participating in these threads are approaching the HD format wars strictly from the viewpoint of data storage and movies. Which is fine since we all have our preferred ways of entertainment. I like mine a bit more interactive so I game more than watch movies. And I rarely watch tv shows for the same reason. (And my favorite leisure time activities are still working out at the gym or doing outdoor sports.)

I get a chuckle when people say Microsoft made a mistake not offering the HDDVD as an internal drive in the Xbox360. MOST people buy Xbox360s to GAME not watch movies. MS made the right decision. Now they will simply offer a Blu Ray add-on (they are already dropping hints that they will) for those who do want a Blu Ray player for a great price. You can rest assured the add-on will be cheaper than buying a PS3. But again, most Xbox users won't bother getting the add-on. They just rent an occasional flick from Xbox Live.

Most people buying PS3s are getting it to buy a well priced Blu Ray player. Most people who are buying Xbox 360s are getting it to game. Apples and oranges.

People have to realize that MS and Sony were obviously approaching their consoles differently. And the prices of the first PS3s turned out to be a major turnoff for gamers. The difficulty of coding games for it has also affected the games. They were supposed to look so much better but in the end developers coded for both consoles at the same time. They didn't focus on making a game look the best it can on the PS3. And guess what? Many of the games developed for both consoles actually look better on the Xbox360. (Most people aren't aware that the limits of even the Xbox360 haven't been reached.) Also, the lack of games is still an issue. Go to any Game Stop and compare the shelves of games available for each. I wonder what Sony and MS will do for their next consoles? What drives will they use? And how long will it take for gaming developers to get the hang of coding for a Blu Ray drive?

Blasphemy!

I won't dispute what you're saying but this line in particular flies in the face of what the HD DVD devout were claiming. They're likely to burn you along with an effigy of Bill Hunt.



I *will* however dispute your mistaking coding for the PS3 (and any issues companies may be having adapting to it) and the fact that it's got a Blu Ray drive. They are mutually exclusive. Data is read from it the same as it is from any other optical disc. It's just a storage medium.

Madden 08 runs better on the Xbox360. About double the framerates. Here's a cut and paster from Gamespot.com's review of the PS3version:

"One of the big points of contention about this year's Madden has been the difference in performance between the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions. It was announced some time ago that the 360 version would run at 60 frames a second, versus 30 on the PS3. When you compare the two games side by side, yes, there is a noticeable difference. The PS3 version is certainly choppier and slightly more prone to hitching up in-game than the 360 one. However, simply taken on its own merits, the PS3 version isn't suddenly awful because of this one issue. The choppiness rarely ever distracts you from the gameplay, and for the most part, the 30 frames a second number holds pretty steady. If you have a choice between the two, certainly the 360 version is the preferable one from a visual standpoint, but the PS3 version isn't unplayable by any means."


Can't comment on Timeshift since it received such poor ratings I did not bother to even try it.


As far as UT3...I will reserve judgement when the final Xbox360 product is out and then compare the two. It would be silly to do otherwise.

Oh and since we are in the middle of console wars let me throw some gas into the flame by saying that PC gaming will STILL kick ANY console's ass so let's not get too proud of either console.

It should be pointed out that most games clamp to a fixed frame rate which is an even fraction of the TV's 60 Hz refresh rate. That means that if they could only achieve 59 fps then the game would run at 30. So Madden 08 running at 60 on Xbox360 and 30 on PS3 does not imply that the hardware is twice as fast, it just means that they couldn't coax the PS3 into maintaining a solid 60... it may have only been slightly slower.

HEY. Until anything else has ANYTHING like Littlebigplanet, don't talk.
Oh man I'm excited for that game.

Yay for Infinity Ward! Showing that programming for the PS3 isn't that hard!

Anddddddd....
Timeshift is fun in my opinion. I like what they did with it.

Timeshift got poor ratings on the 360. That's the problem. If you play that game on the PS3 it's phenomenal! It's similar to the Prince of persia games only it's set in one possible future, one possible past, today, and it's a FPS. it's a great FPS IMO. You can cry me a river about how hard it is to develop the PS3, but obviously some developers don't have any problems getting it right, while others do. (MS fanboy 360 Developers)

Nothing new with madden. I already said madden played like shit on the PS3. It was made before the developers had a grip on the architecture. Your preaching to the choir.

The PS3 isn't harder to develop for. it's just a new architecture. Your a lazy developer if you don't like to learn new technology.

Not with a $400 PC...

something is generally only harder when you havent done it before.

sources? links?

yeah, looks really cool IMO they should make it so its transportable onto the PSP so you can expand while mobile, I might have to buy a PSP if they do that though.

Have only recently got into the online part of GRAW2 (PS3) holy cow but that eats hours! then at 3am my internet connection unexpectedly went dead!!! I reluctantly went to bed, although this morning I think that was actually a GOOD thing.

I'm gonna have to clone myself or something, I just don't have the time I used to

Toshiba responds. It's a pity they didn't do this before the Holiday season, they might have had a better chance.

However, I do need an upscaling player. I wonder if this will cause upscalers to drop even further by comparison?

Going out of business sale! Everything must be sold! We will not be undersold!

That was a quote from Toshiba's CEO as he grabbed his red stapler then proceeded to burn the whole place down.

On somewhat of a tangent, it seems that Sony has cut PS3 production costs down to about $400. That is a decent feat considering the blood they shed over the earlier versions. Apparently the 40 and 80 GB versions are much cheaper to produce (about half) what the first iterations did. With this in mind, Sony now seems to break even on the 40 GB and actually makes money on the 80 GB.

i dont have time right now to google it but all you have to do is compare the attach rate to the xbox 360 to see how little people owning a ps3 are buying games, and believe me the last time i checked it was miniscule in comparison.

oh, and i think its time to just ignore onlooker from this point on. he clearly just focuses on his own experiences with his machine and ignores everything else.

Timeshift was actually rated a little higher on the 360 lol.

http://www.metacritic.com/search/pro...t&ty=3&x=0&y=0


the game sucked on both platforms.

Oh c'mon Elixir, the HD DVD proponents were very insistent that people bought PS3's primarily for gaming (and, in fact, few realized it would even play Blu Ray movies). Now you say they buy them primarily to watch movies. This wrecks the whole attach rate argument. Honestly, why do you come here to create such controversy?

haha, yeah. well i'm just going by the attach rates here. it could be that many ps3 owners are like onlooker, and have absolutely no idea what great gaming is taking place right now as he sits occasionally purchasing a title like TimeShift.

not to bring you down onlooker, i think its time you maybe take a look at whats out there = )

Yeah, I think this past holiday was their only real chance to get a strong foothold in the format war, and they blew it by not having a $99 player for the entire season (instead, just one day). Since most consumers have little to no interest in paying more for high quality picture and sound, and because they don't want to be stuck with a dead format, selling them on the perspective that it's a DVD player which makes their regular DVDs look better — and also happens to play HD DVDs — is a smart move IMO. Too bad Toshiba didn't do it six months ago. I imagine Toshiba would have to sell a million players a month to make Warner even consider reconsidering their May '08 Blu-Ray exclusivity plan, and that's a highly unrealistic goal.



Littlebigplanet is the only PS3-exclusive title I've seen which impressed me from a visual standpoint. Everything else has appeared borderline-PS2 quality, or very textureless (which makes me wonder what they need that 50GB-per-disc of space for).

Toshiba dropping the HD DVD player to $150 is a great thing. Let's face it nothing was logical about this battle.

Sony packing Blu-ray into game consoles despite there being no real need for 25GB games.

Studios tell us that they are drawn to the superiority of Blu-ray yet the spec still isn't finished even to the point of matching HD DVD.

Now with Toshiba able to sell players at $150 it's proof positive that the cheaper and more sensible solution (from a consumer standpoint) isn't going to survive because of politics.

The bias is sickening.

Did it suck? Is that fact?
Have you played it on both systems?

totally.

sony putting bluray in their ps3 had nothing more to do than trying to shove the format into peoples homes. thats all there is to it. i cant for the life of me understand how Sony's asinine PR spin works on so many people.

Fishy- how is it bias if i said it stunk on both systems? i played it on the 360, and i cant imagine it being any better on the ps3. even the reviews for the ps3 version were a notch down from the 360. why would i assume the game is any better? how retarded.

I think more appropriate phrasing would be "willing to' rather than "able to". Sony bled yen hard for a year and I think it shows, they are now selling their systems at a break-even and slight profit. Toshiba doing this now is more of an afterthought in hopes of poisoning the well. Toshiba could have been a lot more aggressive early on and they failed.

Based on the gaming portion of this thread "few people buy a PS3 for gaming". That flies in the face of the attach rate argument.

The businessweek article I read suggested that with the format war looking like it's ending, Sony would start actually touting the PS3 as an affordable BR player that also plays games.

A lot of it is for sound. For example, the commentary in MLB the show 08 is 10gb.

Sorry to come off as a jerk elixir, you can have an opinion, but don't act like it is fact. And you can't have an opinion on a game you haven't played.

Thanks for clarifying.
The way you said it made it seem like you hadn't played it.
How long did you play the game for?
And where are you getting your reviews from? Don't say gamespot.