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post #41 of 296
I can't believe anybody's excited by this rumor coming up for the umpteenth time. I'll believe it when it's not a rumor.
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might be nice
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post #43 of 296
"I don't care if it is feather light, the size of this would still be somewhere near the current MacBook...and not very "ultra" portable. I seriously hope Apple is still planning to wow us in January with a UMPC-sized multi-touch device!"

I'm with you on this one... I was thinking somewhere along the lines of a 10" or 11" display... but I just did some calculations...

If you keep a full sized keyboard on it, and make it as small as possible while maintaining a 16:9 ratio, this would result in a laptop measuring 10.75" X 6.04". Meaning that the display would have to be at least 12.34". Again, this would be to maintain a full sized keyboard and 16:9 ratio. But who knows about the 16:9 ratio... I just know how Apple likes to keep things uniform.
post #44 of 296
Am I the only one who is a bit skeptical about buying Rev A of a brand new technology?
post #45 of 296
I'm gonna go ahead and say it, I use my optical drive every single day. Wether burning, ripping, installing or playing, I use my drive for >2 hours a day. This one product losing its drive would be OK with me, personally, but Apple CANNOT remove the optical drive from all products yet.
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post #46 of 296
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So, it's really odd that Apple had to wait so long, when it could have used existing technology.

think different. Apple NEVER releases anything that justs meets the status quo of the market. i'm sure they've waited until it could be done the way they want to do it.
post #47 of 296
Besides, They cannot remove the drive from their machine now anyway, unless the OS disks come on a firewire flash drive.
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post #48 of 296
13 inches and 2.7 lbs is not an ultra-portable. It is a mid-size, mid-weight laptop. Ultra-portables are 10-11" and well under 2 lbs.
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post #49 of 296
At 13", this just sounds like a MacBook with a few less features/weight. Though I'm sure more than a few would buy one, there's not much to get excited about.
post #50 of 296
A 13inch screen is perfect and very ultraportable. For those of us that have worked on a 12inch widescreen frequently, we realize why you want the bigger screen and will accept the bigger footprint as a consequence (especially where the footprint gets traded for thinness).

I own a 12inch ibook g4 and a 12 inch widescreen that is windows based and I can tell you that you get very little workable vertical space on the widescreen. Viewing websites and working in MS word, powerpoint, etc. is difficult as a consequence. I say this with 20/20 vision as well. (I also own one of the old 10.4 inchers.)

I constantly use my old ibook as a result (well that and the better OS).

A secondary benefit of either a 12 or 13 inch computer is the fullsize keyboard that makes a real difference (11inch widescreen would lead to a semi-workable keyboard, but a tough screen to see).

Moreover, a thin light computer that delivers on battery life is still an ultraportable even if it is an inch longer. 13inches still fits comfortably in any satchel, backpack. When the extra length allows for more thinness, it is often a good tradoff.

To be frank, my big concern would be weight and secondarily thickness. Length is less relevant to most of us. Weight is almost everything...

I really wonder if some of the posters have ever used an ultra ultra portable windows machines like you see in the stores ? Often net terribly useful. For example, the Averatec 1579 is really cool, but 11.1 inches really hampers the usability.

Last bit of evidence, look at what Panasonic toughbooks sell for. Getting a 14 or 13 inch screen and a full size keyboard in under 3lbs allows Panasonic to charge up to $3,000 and over.

Tells you were the a lot of the professional market is (high end executives where normal IT/infrastructure rules are overridden, military/intelligence/law enforcement).
post #51 of 296
Unless it comes with an external optical drive.

Otherwise most games won't be able to be be played, lots of software can't be loaded, and how are you supposed to repair the disk?

External optical I can se, no optical, no way.
post #52 of 296
What if apple waited until now to release an ultra-portable, because they wanted to implement multitouch technology to reduce the size. think about it, the trackpad and the keyboard take space up...so why not just get rid of them. And making it 13 inches would be great if the multitouch technology is added because the screen could then emulate a full size qwerty multitouch keypad.

Just some fruit for thought.
post #53 of 296
personally, i would rather have an ultralight notebook computer [at 2 lbs] than a UMPC in the form factor of HTC Shit or the Sony VIAO UMPC... and i would rather have a 10 - 12" screen - capable of displaying a full web page - instead of a 5-7" one. Lastly, i think there needs to be a full [laptop size] keyboard.

then again, Apple is famous for industrial design and i'm confident that whatever form factor they produce will be copied by everyone else - again.
post #54 of 296
Even if this is true, it simply doesn't get my blood racing.

If Apple did this two years ago, it would have been different. But now, there are a bunch of machines that have similar specs to what this will seem to have, assuming it's real.

Even the LED backlight is no longer a big deal.

Samsung has a 30" computer monitor with the same 2560 x 1600 rez the Apple 30" has, but it also has an LED backlight. It goes for $1849. So the price of backlighting has really dropped a great deal this year. There are other models with it as well.

How much would this weigh? That's a big question. What kind of CPU would it have? Graphics?

I would have to assume that Apple will release a small, portable optical drive as well.

I haven't seen any good ideas as to how one would get CD and DVD content, or software on the machine, here, or anywhere else. The only practical way would be through a portable drive.
post #55 of 296
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13 inches and 2.7 lbs is not an ultra-portable. It is a mid-size, mid-weight laptop. Ultra-portables are 10-11" and well under 2 lbs.

Really?

Funny, go to CNET and look at the editor's recommended laptops.

http://reviews.cnet.com/4370-3121_7-....html?tag=lnav

I don't see many 10-11 under 2lbs. Do we see any?

Or check out Notebookreview.com and sort by under 3lbs.

Just how many sub 2lb laptops are there out there?

I mean the Samsung Q1 and the Sony VAIO Micro PC UX Series are listed as "portable devices" rather than laptops right?
post #56 of 296
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personally, i would rather have an ultralight notebook computer [at 2 lbs] than a UMPC...

Two totally different markets.
post #57 of 296
When Apple does Ultra-Portable, they do it right. This is the company that invented the #1 selling ultra-portable computer in the world, back when Macs weren't nearly as popular (the Duo).

Apple will do it right, not with what is off the shelf, but something that is thinner than you thought possible.

Ultra-Portables are great for people who have multiple systems or work entirely in computers. I have 3 MacBook Pros, and I can't tell you how many times I've wished for a 1/2 thick 13" notebook that i can toss in my alice pack and not feel the weight of.

I hope the axe the optical drive on the ultra-portable it's so not needed. Load up with a portable USB drive, or something else. The only time I use DVD on my MacBook Pro is to install an OS update, or to play a DVD (maybe twice in 3 years) and usually I just ripped them to watch later so the drive wouldn't have to spin up.

Think about the fact that the iPhone has a 600mhz processor in it and runs OS X. Then use your imagination.
post #58 of 296
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Originally Posted by IanW View Post

Unless it comes with an external optical drive.

Otherwise most games won't be able to be be played, lots of software can't be loaded, and how are you supposed to repair the disk?

External optical I can se, no optical, no way.

The point of an ultra-portable is NOT to play games.
Of course there is going to be a way to plug in an external drive of some sort, perhaps even "dock" with another machine to install software and what-not. Repair what disk?
post #59 of 296
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Let's hope this comes out in January, or I'll be buying a Windoze laptop and hacking it to run OSX.

Right. Sure you are. Why don't you just build your own ultra-portable, that should be easy for you.

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The point of an ultra-portable is NOT to play games.
Of course there is going to be a way to plug in an external drive of some sort, perhaps even "dock" with another machine to install software and what-not. Repair what disk?

I wouldn't say the POINT of it is to not play games. I would say that they aren't very good at playing SOME games. But, you know, most people don't play those games. The studies that have been out for several months now, and that we have even discussed here, is that most people play "casual games" Any machine is capable of playing those. All you need is a moderate web connection, and you're off and running.
post #61 of 296
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Right. Sure you are. Why don't you just build your own ultra-portable, that should be easy for you.

What kind of assinine comment is that? It's been done before by several people, including an acquaintance of mine - at least with Tiger. It's not a secret, or anything new.

If Apple won't build what we want, we'll make the OS work for us on the hardware we want.
post #62 of 296
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What kind of assinine comment is that? It's been done before by several people, including an acquaintance of mine - at least with Tiger. It's not a secret, or anything new.

If Apple won't build what we want, we'll make the OS work for us on the hardware we want.

No you won't. I've see a couple of those machines with OS X on them, done by people who could write an OS from scratch, if they wanted to.

But, the machines had problems, and ran erratically, woudn't run all software. Some hardwar features didn't work, etc.

It's done more for a lark than for any serious use. If you saw your friends machine in use for any length of time, you would know that, no matter what he might claim.
post #63 of 296
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Originally Posted by shanmugam View Post

no optical drive, this will create huge debate,but it could be good like what happened with Floppy Drives ...

If you own a Mac, you already own an external optical drive that you could use with this rumored ultra-portable.

If you boot your current Mac into target disk mode(by holding down the "T" key during the boot sequence), the hard drive and the optical drive can be used by another Mac by simply attaching a FireWire cable.

Target disk mode is one of the coolest and most useful features of Macs.
post #64 of 296
I don't know how Steve is going to bullshit his way into getting people to believe this is an ultra-portable - I suppose we'll have to wait and see.

I personally don't expect "the" 11" Mac touch until around September 2008. This is merely a thin 13" Mac notebook.
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post #65 of 296
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If you own a Mac, you already own an external optical drive that you could use with this rumored ultra-portable.

If you boot your current Mac into target disk mode(by holding down the "T" key during the boot sequence), the hard drive and the optical drive can be used by another Mac by simply attaching a FireWire cable.

Target disk mode is one of the coolest and most useful features of Macs.

thanks, i am still a basic user, hope to try that one day

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post #66 of 296
Is incorporation of eReader efficiency technologically feasible in an ultra portable led screen or must eReaders be a dedicated device? If education text ebooks become available with distribution through iTunes store the education market might explode.

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post #67 of 296
Hurray for Japan who can't seem to want a laptop unless it's a sub-laptop.

This should help that area.

For myself? BFD.
post #68 of 296
I have to wonder if Apple will ever take down its prices, or use a shiny new computer model to keep its prices $500 or $600 higher than its competitors.

Here, in Canada, Apple didn't adjust its prices for the rise in value of the Canadian dollar when compared to the U.S. dollar. To quote from the computer specialist on radio, Saturday, just before the Christmas shopping season: "If you go with Apple, you'll pay $500 or $600 more than if you go with the competition".

Way to sell computers, Apple! We're not all dumb, psychotic or hopeless fanboys. When are you going to get your act together, put an end to your insane, demented CEO and VP bonus policy, and address every market segment with competitively priced computers?

Some of us are losing patience that you will ever change before you go bankrupt, or Steve Jobs dies, whichever comes first.

This coming January, are you going to sell a competitively priced Penryn Quad-core Intel iMac, or should I go with an HP computer? My whole family wants to buy Penryn quad-core computers, should we all go with HP because you can't get your act together?

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I don't know how Steve is going to bullshit his way into getting people to believe this is an ultra-portable - I suppose we'll have to wait and see.

I personally don't expect "the" 11" Mac touch until around September 2008. This is merely a thin 13" Mac notebook.

Bummer, I was expecting you to be less philosophical about this...
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I don't know how Steve is going to bullshit his way into getting people to believe this is an ultra-portable - I suppose we'll have to wait and see.

I personally don't expect "the" 11" Mac touch until around September 2008. This is merely a thin 13" Mac notebook.

Everywhere, people around the internets are saying the same thing. People are complaining about a possible 13" screen, keyboard style, lack of HD space, lack of optical drive, etc.

Wait until January, see what they are going to release, I know once Steve uses his RDF, everyone's gonna be bustin' out the credit cards.
post #71 of 296
Maybe it's the new über-secret Apple CheckBook!

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In a detailed research report last month, she explained that a launch early next year could help the company achieve her current "Bull Case" scenario, which would include per-share earnings of $7.00 for the 2008 calendar year.

"We continue to believe our bull case scenario of $7 earnings-per-share and a $225 stock is increasingly likely given operating leverage and the upcoming launch of an ultramobile Mac," Huberty told clients.

Other analysts who've weighed in with their thoughts on the matter include American Technology Research analyst Shaw Wu and Piper Jaffray analyst Gene Munster.

Can anyone explain why AAPL is crashing the past week? I don't see any news that is so negative for Apple that people would be dumping shares and yet AAPL has lost almost $40 since it peaked at $192.68. I'd buy some more at today's price except I figure I'll wait another day or two to see if it drops further. This is crazy.

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FINALLY! a replacement for my 12" PB

I second that!. My PB 12" 1GHZ is getting old. Optical drive was always picky with certain discs and now it doesn't work at all. I had to replace my dead HDD a a couple years ago. It was my primary machine at the time.

Looking forward to getting a new ultraportable to replace it. I'll turn my PB 12" into a network video surveillance appliance.
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I can't believe anybody's excited by this rumor coming up for the umpteenth time. I'll believe it when it's not a rumor.

I for one am not at all excited that this might actually be true, because if it is then it means that we won't have any reasonably-priced tower any time soon.

I can't believe Apple is ready to address a niche market instead of concentrating on filling the gap between the iMac and the Mac Pro. I currently have an iMac Core 2 Duo (white), and I'm not at all happy with the general reliability of the machine, nor the quality of its monitor. If Apple continues to insist in not providing us one of the most popular computer form factors, I will look elsewhere next time I need to renew my hardware and then I'll go and install Mac OS X on it.
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Can anyone explain why AAPL is crashing the past week? I don't see any news that is so negative for Apple that people would be dumping shares and yet AAPL has lost almost $40 since it peaked at $192.68. I'd buy some more at today's price except I figure I'll wait another day or two to see if it drops further. This is crazy.

Mark

It's simple really, over-evaluation. Apple's market capitalisation is currently above IBM's, which when you think about it sounds pretty crazy...
post #76 of 296
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I don't know how Steve is going to bullshit his way into getting people to believe this is an ultra-portable - I suppose we'll have to wait and see.

I personally don't expect "the" 11" Mac touch until around September 2008. This is merely a thin 13" Mac notebook.

Call it whatever you like. Ultraportable, subnotebook, notebook, laptop, none of these terms are 'defined'. I'm looking for a really light and small portable computer from Apple. That rules out anything below 11" widescreen and 12" 4:3 screen because below that the keyboard gets too cramped, and consequently I wouldn't call it (sub-)notebook computer any more. Then again, 11" widescreen laptops do not offer enough screen height I think, judging from all those Sony subnotebooks. 13" widescreen is perfect in my eyes, and the actual computer might come out a little smaller than the MacBook as you can shave off quite a bit all around the screen.
Furthermore, 3lb with decent battery life (at least 5h of real if light use such as word processing or web surfing should be feasible) is better than 2.5lb with a so-called small battery that will just survive a few secs of power outage...
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It's simple really, over-evaluation. Apple's market capitalisation is currently above IBM's, which when you think about it sounds pretty crazy...

IBM is really a shell of its former self. They have jettisoned a lot of their software products and unloaded their pc lines. That leaves them their server and mainframe market. Still sizable, but no one buys an all-IBM solution any more. They are mostly a service/support company now with lots of competition from others including m$ft.

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Anyway.. I won't be missing an optical drive, I use it very rarely. Though it's crucial to me that i does have FireWire and USB2 .... If it slims down to crazy slim Apple has to make some kind of slim multi-cable or something in order to connect it to external devices..

Obviously, since no one buys software these days and just pirates it off the net, then stores it on an external drive. Who needs an optical drive.
post #79 of 296
Add me to the chorus of current 12" PowerBook users wanting a thinner, lighter replacement. Fingers' crossed this rumour eventually becomes reality. I need a new portable for the month out of the office come February.

Whether or not you consider it a subnotebook or ultraportable or whatnot, the old 12" G4 Powerbook form-factor is about as small as you want to go. I own a couple of Toshiba Librettos which are tiny little things with 7" screens and mini keyboards, but you just can't type on them. The old Duos and Powerbook 2400 keyboards are pretty much on the limit - still usable but people with big mits found them a struggle.

I'd be happy with this: take the 12" PB shape, shorten the lid and base by about 25mm/1" and change the screen to a 1440x900 high pixel density (think iPhone, iPod Nano) wide screen LCD; remove the Superdrive completely and use a solid state HD - at least 60Gb - so the base thickness is halved; give it 2 USB2 ports, 1 FW800, 1 FW400, audio I/O, ethernet, mini DVI and an ExpressCard slot, the fastest processor that can be installed without burning a hole in it and - most importantly - give it a proper video card, to differentiate it from the MacBooks.

Oh, and make it black-anodised aluminium. Or carbon fibre!

An external USB Superdrive would be included in the price; I'm not sure if the world is ready to ditch DVD just yet, especially as much of the software you need to install still comes on DVD or CD. Maybe when Apple start selling digital downloads of OSX... ;-)

An optional docking station would be cool, though assuming all the ports can physically fit on the subnotebook then it would just be a nice way of plugging into your "office" set up without having to unplug 5-6 cables.

Whether or not it could or should include a multi-touch screen, I'm not sure. Apple could make it a convertible notebook but they seem to have fizzled on the PC market. A work colleague has a Compaq tc4400 which is quite cool but pretty expensive, and they don't seem to offer anything like it any more. As for a full on tablet Mac - iPhone+SDK may solve that.

Cost will be important. There's still a big gap between the top MacBook and bottom 15" MacBookPro. The 12" PB used to fill that void, so presumably a new premium subportable would too. The cost of the SSD alone would make it fairly pricey and pushing the 15" MacBook Pro price bracket, which would make multitouch less likely.

Anyway, all pie-in-the-sky dreaming... January can roll on quick enough.
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I am #1 on the I want an ultra-portable band wagon but a 13" screen does not meet my definition. I want a 10" or 11" screen 16:9 ratio.

13" Dang, might as well be 17" on the go.

With 13" no reason to leave out the optical drive as the point of the ultra-portable is to be portable and a 13" screen works against that.

I'll still buy it, but I won't be totally happy about it.
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