When will there be a new iPhone?? - Page 2

Apple set a figure of 10k for 1st day sales.

Where was that stated I must have missed it.

Jobs said it to that Pogue fella. Dont have the quote.

But anyway.....................

Ok ive got some major news. 2 new phones will be announced at macworld in Jan. One high end - the true sucessor to iphone and a cheaper more affordable alternative.

It will however be made at Quanta technologies. The current one is made at Foxlink factories in China.

I don't remember reading that. The only interview I can find between Jobs and Pogue is after the US iPhone launch. Apple did not release a sales forecast for its US launch. I cannot find where they gave any forecast for Europe.

Apple never gives sales forecasts at all. The closest you'll get is quarterly guidance, which would require quite a bit of creative thinking.

Even the 10m units in 2008 is stated as a goal and not a sales forecast.

I think the cheaper of the 2 devices to be announced in Jan should incorporate all the existing features of iphone.

Im told that apart from an improved camera and faster connectivity there will be at least 2 more gestures aswell.

Yeah, I agree. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. Although I don't agree with a scroll-wheel designed iPhone nano, I will say that I could see Apple coming out with an iPhone that is smaller in size, but still maintains a touch screen. For Apple to bring the scroll wheel to a cell phone would be silly to say the least... and yes I know all about the correlating patent... however I think it was probably just a game Apple was playing to throw off its competitors. I'm thinking just a basic iPod/ phone convergence device. No data plan necessary.

Anyways, while most of the stuff on this website is speculative, where did you obtain this "news" ... or is it just a guess.

Call it an "informed" guess.

IMO, the best part about the IPhone is the browser. It's brilliant and unique. The actual phone .. well.. not so much. Not sure how much UK demand there would be for a sub par phone and iPod if you are still tied to O2 and their higher tariffs.

Well, it's been in the rumors lately that a prospective Gen 2 iPhone will occur in mid/late Summer 08. This is based off of Samsung's flash memory supply guidance for 2008 where 1H 08 flash memory will be lower than predicted because Apple's iPhone Gen 2 release is being delayed from March/April to mid-Summer.

Are you like this kid that said the 16GB iPhone was already in the stores... I certainly hope not.

Thanks for sharing the info if you do know whats up though.

Anyone who fell for that 16GB Tmob iphone ad is obviously a few raisens short of a fruitcake.

THT You may well have it by this summer, right now Apple are basically looking at the launch strategy for the next 2 phones ie: US first then UK 6 months later or all in one?

To be honest I dont know if they have the manpower to handle a worldwide launch as before they had to shift people from the Leapord team just to finish iphone but both are just about ready to be introduced.

HyteProsector I dont know full details yet but just what im fed every few weeks but if I hear more ill give you guys the details. Its only a few weeks anyway so its not like a huge wait.

Nice, the fact that you posted it inconspicuously in an old thread and didn't start it as a new thread has me believing you.

IIRC didn't Steve himself say the Asian iPhone launch was mid 2008.

a) I don't think they'd launch a non-3G in Japan (but then I thought that in Europe too)

b) I don't think they'll go a whole year without updating the iPhone anyway. Phone technology moves much quicker than that. Nokia will probably have released 30 phones in the time Apple have done one.

He said 2008 but he did not give any specifics of when.


I think updates to the iPhone will be about the software more than the hardware.

They've not been either so far.

I really don't see how they can go a year on that hardware. Not in Europe or Asia. USA, yes, not elsewhere.

Its only been six months. Does Nokia routinely update the OS and apps on its phones at no extra cost within that time?


Nokia's business model works around selling new features with new phones. Of course Apple will refresh the iPhone Steve said 3G is coming soon. But new features will come with software updates and not so dependent on new hardware.

In case you were wondering what people think of the iPhone in China .

Not sure if that was an actual question or just be sarcastic lol but the answer is no. Nokia always save new OS updates for new phones. 99% of the time the software updates are to improve on performance issues. However they did recently add a plug in for an n95 update allowing youtube videos to be browsed.

The thing most tech geeks and Nokia fans are most pissed off about is the fact that the iphone doesnt feature 3G. Bluetooth profiles, mms, video recording are also niggles but not as big a deal as no 3g but they will have a tough decision on their hands soon when Apple announces the iphone sucessor. Not sure if anyone keeps an eye on these things but there was a job advert for an imaging developer to work on a "phone" at Apple. It was posted not long after iphone was announced. Hint hint. You should at the very least see 3.2megapixels on the next iphone but to be honest it should be 5. Motorola will soon announce an 8MP cam phones co branded by Kodak and later on next year you will also see Nokias 8MP + OZ offering, not to mention Nokias own flagship touch s60 device.

Yes, they do. So do Sony Ericsson.

Here's SE's update service...

http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/supp...ce?cc=gb&lc=en

I've had three OS updates and two free new apps, including a different day view app on my p910i. The standard home screen app wasn't unlike the iPhone's home screen - a grid of icons to click on with your finger. The new version more like Windows Mobile. They also had an app download service from day 1.



It's a little difficult to discern a business model with Apple just yet with only one model of phone and no software updates to speak of, or a 3rd party market. It hasn't all gelled together yet. Software won't solve all of the shortcomings of which there are many. It's a major part of it sure, but only because they missed a lot of features in 1.0 that they can subsequently fix.

Really, I don't think it's that far fetched to predict Apple will have more models out relatively soon and then pick up pace from then on in to match other phone companies. If the existing iPhone hardware is ok for you and you want to bet on them solving software issues later then buy now, if not, wait.

Personally, I think it would be sensible to at least wait until the SDK is out in February if you're not happy with the glacial pace of software updates. Let the 3rd party market solve the issues Apple aren't.


I wasn't really. But that kind of shows that the existing phone doesn't work well in China. It's a black market craze, not a product for the masses, and Apple have a way to go to turn a US product into a European or Chinese product.

Jobs said 2008, not mid-2008. By implication, mid-2008 would be a good guess as he said European phone in Q4 07, and it would makes sense to have an Asian phone in mid-2008.

The Samsung flash thing stated explicitly that Samsung was expecting Apple to launch a new iPhone in March/April, but is was delayed to mid-2008, and thus they would have an oversupply. Who knows, this could just be Samsung's excuse for their bad planning with flash production, and they really have no idea what Apple's plans are.

Mid-2008 isn't all that surprising to have constrained supplies for flash. Holiday season is ramping up and all the electronic gadget companies want flash chips.

I was just trying to make a point.


They don't update every six months. As far as I can tell the last update to Symbian was in March 2007.


That's a pretty subjective statement. And you still ignore the fact that Apple has said it left some things off until they feel they can make it work within the way they want the phone to function. In the long run that philosophy could lead to a much better phone than one that stuffs all the features in right now irregardless of how it impacts its actual functionality.


Apple's not following what other phone companies are doing. If you think this you miss the whole point of Apple.


What are you are comparing this to? The last major update to Symbian was in March. The update before that was June 2006, before that early 2005.


You must not have read the article. The Chinese language isn't even on the iPhone. They so badly want to use it that they are hacking Chinese into the phone. Only parts of the phone work in Chinese and they are arduously adding Chinese to all of the iPhone's apps.

You're confusing major Symbian updates with what the SE Update service does. SE Update is like Apple's Software Update service. There's usually minor updates every few months particularly just after release. Early OS9 phones were buggy as hell. And sometimes they release software for free alongside firmware updates - the aforementioned home screen change and there's been changes to the PC Suite and theme design software.


How is it subjective? There definitely ARE features missing. How can you even deny that?


When have they said that? They've said that they will be adding more features over time. They've never that I know of admitted some features are missing. That would be quite an admission.


I was thinking about a function I use 3-5 times a day that the iPhone does badly.

Here's how you silence an incoming call or send it to voicemail on an iPhone...

http://www.apple.com/iphone/?movie=a

"...press the sleep/wake button once for silence and twice to send to voicemail..."

Are they nucking futz? The sleep/wake button???

Why not have a button on the screen you click that says "silence ringer", or use the actual "silence ringer" button on the side of the phone? And also a button on screen for "send to voicemail"

That's what I have on my SE phone's touch screen.

Oh sorry, I forgot, Apple reckon existing phones are too complex.



Perhaps they should. Then they wouldn't have daft interface oddities like the above.



So, slightly more regular as OSX major updates then?


I did read it. If you note, they state in the article that Chinese people text a lot and the iPhone isn't very good at that and that was one of the main complaints with it for the Chinese market. Guess what, we have similar complaints about a US centric device here too.

I'm talking about major OS updates. Not simply firmware updates. The iPhone has had 3 of those that have included app changes and some minor functionality changes.


Why do you want Apple to rush out a buggy OS update.


You're making way too big a deal of this. When a call comes in there is a green answer button and a red decline button. Pressing decline will also stop the call and send it to voice mail.


The article was saying texting is difficult because it is not in Chinese. Not because of the app itself. They devised a complicated work around so they could text in Chinese.

Seems like minor changes to me. Or if you consider those major, so were the firmware updates on my SE phone.



Their first version was pretty buggy, certainly no more so that some of the initial SE releases.


No, that's not the function both I and Apple's tutorial describe. The point behind silencing a ring is that you're pretending you're not in reach of your phone, you just mute the ringer but let it ring anyway. Immediately sending someone to voicemail is rude and it tells them you're near your phone but you've explicitly selected to not talk to them. IME, they'll keep ringing you and keep annoying you.

The red/green buttons are great UI design even if it's really just obvious. Pressing sleep/wake once or twice is frankly as bizarre as not having a camera shutter button.


"Text messaging is more important to Chinese than to American cellphone users, partly because mobile phones in China don't have automated voicemail."

Yes they are minor changes. I'm trying to show you that you unrealistically expect Apple to make a major OS update within 6 months of the phones release. When no one else does this.


The iPhone is still using the first version.

I bought the iPhone its second week on sale. Everything worked fine. The only real problem was that Safari would crash all the time. Other people had their quibbles about little things but the software all functioned fine.


There is a mechanical button for turning off the ringer. So you don't have to deal with being sneaky or appearing rude. But whatever you are searching for things to complain about.

I assume you are talking about a physical camera button. Why does it absolutely need that?


The point you miss is that people in China are not supposed to be using the iPhone in the first place. So you cannot complain that it does not satisfy their needs, it doesn't have Chinese characters yet.

Just curious, if silence ringer is on the touchscreen and the screen/phone is locked don't you have to go through a couple of extra steps to get to that button. Regardless of whether there is a screen button to do it, why wouldn't you want the option to just press and external button to do it?

I DON'T. I expect them to add features through the life of the phone contract like they said they would do. So far they've added an iTunes store, Starbucks (US only) and internationalisation. None of which are anything to shout about.

If the rumour for 1.1.3 is correct, it adds a crippled disk mode and voice memos, both of which most smartphones have as standard anyway. Consider me underwhelmed again.



It's not. There was quite a major architectural change between 1.0 and 1.1 even if it didn't show on the outside.


As I said, no worse than some 1.0 releases from other phone manufacturers. The difference being most other phones have more features out of the box and they don't add them later.



Again, that's not the function I'm describing. That permanently disables the ringer until you re-enable it. The sleep/wake button press does a 'silence this call only' thing in a non-intuitive manner. You can't honestly be defending that?


Do you know of a camera that doesn't have one? I think it does absolutely need one instead of you having to take a hand off the phone to tap the screen.



No I didn't miss that. That was indeed my point. If Apple are to conquer a non-US market, they need a non-US device.

As another example, Apple keyboards in the UK put the @ and " symbols in the same place as the US keyboards. On UK PC and typewriter keyboards, they're switched. It's bizarre and throws off switchers or the Mac Mini Bring Your Own Keyboard switchers. I've no idea why Apple alone do not us a UK keyboard layout. I've had many an argument with PC people already convinced that Apple are arrogant for that alone!


The iPhone unlocks itself to answer the call so there are no extra steps. My point about the external button is they're using the sleep/wake button to silence the ringer instead of the existing silence ringer switch. That just strikes me as bad design. It's surely not good design if you need a tutorial on apple.com to discover that.

I don't know about your one, but flipping my switch to silent silences the ringer whether the phone is locked or not. I've never had a real smartphone, but I didn't need a tutorial to figure that out. It just made sense to flip the switch to silent to silence the ringer. I didn't know about the sleep wake thing until I saw the tutorial, but that's going to be true for any multifunction button that isn't labeled. I'd rather see it explained in a tutorial then have the phone cluttered with many single-function buttons. The upshot being that I don't have a bunch of button labels to tell me something very easy to remember.

Of course there are extra steps. You have to swipe to unlock and then press the silence button; why not just flip the switch to silent. This is something you can do without even looking at the phone, or even taking it out of your pocket (that's even more true about the sleep/wake button).

I'd imagine they didn't put silent or decline button on the locked screen because you might accidentally press it while pulling the phone out of your pocket. Its much harder to accidentally swipe your finger across the screen. So the phone does not unlock when a call comes in, the screen is still locked and in need of a swipe action to answer the call.

With the phone locked, here would have to be a swipe to silence action in addition to the swipe to answer. Then you would also have to have a swipe to send to vm button. That's a whole lot of screen real estate that can be replaced with pressing, or double pressing a single physical button, or just flipping the silent ringer switch.

The only place I could see having a silence ringer button would be on the incoming call screen when the phone is unlocked, but at least there is already the send to vm button called decline.

Which SE do you have? I'm not familiar with the Symbian interface so maybe they handle in a better manner, or just in one that makes more sense to you.

We are only 6 months into the life of the contract. I'm sure Apple will make good within the next 18 months.


The .1 upgrade shored up stability but isn't as though they changed the kernal. Dramatic changes will come with version 2.


You are the one who said other OS upgrades are buggy, not me.


There are three ways to disable the ringer. Four if you count turning off the phone. For some strange reason you want to stay fixated on this one, ignoring all the other options.


You don't really have to make the whole tapping moiton it takes a picture when you lift your finger from the button. You can argue the inconvenience of looking at where you place your finger before you can take the pic. Generally you look at what button you are touching with a mechanical button. I've taken over a thousand pictures on my iPhone it does take some getting used to but its not as big a problem as you want to make it sound.


If this is true then why are people in China going through all the trouble they are going through to use the iPhone?


That's a loosing argument as Apple has no shortage of hubris.


The existing ringer switch can turn off the ringer. The sleep/wake button is just another option.


Fortunate for you that their are a myriad of phone choices.

The interesting thing about this is that if Sony/Ericsson or Nokia offered $1000 phone in the US. I cannot see many people using very much of the finite time or energy we have in life to complain. We would either buy it or not.

They're taking their time about it, that's all.


Because the other options do not silence the ringer for that call only, which is a function I use many times a day. On the iPhone you press the sleep/wake button to do it, which is not intuitive, on my SE P910, the phone rings, I get the option to Accept, Decline, Mute the ringer for that call or send to voicemail all on the screen. It's obvious. It's immediately unlocked, I either press the onscreen button or roll the side dial to select the option and click it in. ie. it's a one handed, one button operation as are most operation under UIQ phones. No hunting for buttons or screen swipes.




If you say so. I still think it's counter intuitive and I never look at which button I'm pressing on a camera if the manufacturer has placed it correctly.


You've never been on esato.com ?

I'm an Apple fan. I want them to do well. But like many of their products recently I think they're only 50% there. AppleTV, AirportExtreme, the new iMac, all a bit so-so, though at least they've fixed the main complaint with the AirportExtreme - lack of gigabit - now fix TimeMachine and add audio-out.

I'm also an SE UIQ phone fan and their products have been 50% there too recently. The P990 was terrible - I sent it back after a month and kept using my P910. Nice hardware, bug ridden software and not enough ram. They've mostly fixed that issue with the P1i, but then added a silly blackberry style keypad. Aaarrrgh! The P5i rumours however seem to have SE back on the right track and aiming right back at Apple. The UIQ guys aren't going to relinquish their lead on touchscreen interfaces without a fight.

http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic...158431&start=0

If it unlocks right away how do they protect you from accidentally pressing a button pulling it out of your pocket? If you have to control what part of the phone you touch, aka anything but the screen, when removing it from your pocket that is as imperfect a solution as what you object to on the iPhone especially when the edges of the screen are not clearly defined.

If you object to them making you use the "sleep/wake" button to silence the ring would it make you feel any better if they had called it the "silence ringer/send to voicemail/sleep/wake" button or something arbitrary like the "action" button? Seems like the biggest objection is that they didn't include "silence ringer" in the name of the button. Or do you have an objection to using an external button to accomplish a task that should have only been accomplished with an on-screen button.

You have to push the jog dial in to activate the option. It's kind of the opposite of the iPhone in that you can't push anything on that without unlocking whereas on UIQ, it's unlocked and you can select the option but have to confirm by clicking the physical jog dial. Or you can set it to answer on any button without unlocking like most other phones instead of just the answer button.

I've had it accidently go off a few times though when I've forgot to lock the phone before putting it in my pocket.


Well, you don't have to be careful. The P series phones have defined edges as the screen is recessed into the phone - stops scratches.


So what would you call the existing "silence ringer" switch if you added "silence ringer" to the sleep/wake button???


No that's not my 'biggest objection', which overstates how I feel about it as a phrase. My 'biggest objection' is they've two buttons to silence the ringer and the second is not the obvious one. But yes, if they'd just put on screen buttons instead of misappropriating the wrong physical button it'd make more sense.

It'd also make more sense if they didn't have a silence ringer switch either and that was a function of the UI. I mean, why do they have a physical ringer switch but a graphical lock slider? How does one make sense but not the other?

Anyway, it was just one example of where I think it's inconsistent. There are many. Apple aren't alone in sometimes odd design.

One is the silence switch and the other is the silence button... duh!!!

I think this is just a matter of what you are used to. You're used to the SE system so it seems convoluted to you. I, on the other hand, aren't so it makes sense to me. Kind of like the keyboard; people who are used to physical keyboards have a harder time acclimating to the touch keyboard.

I do agree that with the phone unlocked on an incoming call there should be a silence ringer button next to the decline-send to vm button.

So i take it that most of you have read the other article now on Apple 2 new iphones for 2008. (just like I said might i add) I might get a chance to see some pics of one of them this week so will do my best to scrounge what I can.

Are trying to take credit for predicting that Apple would refresh and update the phone?

Macworld will see a 16GB iPhone, and the 8GB iPhone will stay around. The 3G iPhone will come out in June.

Anyone could have predicted that. But I did say they would announce 2 and a few of you thought i was chatting malarky so haha

Can't count the chickens until they're hatched.

Yes well im counting 2 chickens and I counted on them to hatch at macworld. Most on here scoffed at the idea of a new iphone being announced so soon.