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post #41 of 103
11/15/07 at 3:43pm
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

I don't believe that it really hurts anything. We suggest that you run Disk Repair prior to updating the OS and/or applications as well, particularly if you have moved something.

I just did it before this update and found a number of fixes.

I've recommended it as well, but was plastered here for saying it.
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post #42 of 103
11/15/07 at 3:56pm
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When you say "we", who do you mean, because Apples support pages suggest that you DON'T unless you are experiencing difficulty.

Actually, some Apple engineers do recommend doing it.

Apple's pages don't recommend NOT doing it unless you're having problems, they simply say that you don't have to do it.

That's very different.

Saying that they're not recommending it because it's not required, and saying that they aren't recommending it because it could cause problems are very different things.

The fact is that is doesn't hurt to do it even though most of the time it accomplishes nothing.

I often recommend it to people who know little about the computer, on the off chance that some problem could be averted that they wouldn't understand, and could panic them (I've seen it happen).

There are rare occasions when an update, or upgrade will cause a Permissions error to occur. Mostly, when fixing permissions, if it doesn't take too long, it's worth the peace of mind.
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post #43 of 103
11/15/07 at 3:58pm
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Originally Posted by ak1808 View Post

Repairing disk permissions is pure voodoo.

"We" suggest to drink a sip of water, burn a match, blow it out and touch the ground before running an update.
Just to be in peace with the four elements, you know...

That's BS.

This is one of those times when an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Or do you think that there are no such things as Permission errors?

Because if you do, you'd be wrong.
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post #44 of 103
11/15/07 at 4:08pm
I downloaded Mac OS 10.5.1, installed it, rebooted, and my Mac recognized my Airport network. Yes!

In order to solve the problems I have with stacks, I installed the following utilities:

This makes some bins on top of the "always changing" icons, making them easy to tell apart:

http://t.ecksdee.org/post/19001860

And this lets me have hierarchical folders on the dock again:

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/mo...&mode=feedback

It's a shame that I had to use third party products to have some functionality I used to have on 10.4, but I'll be happy to run 10.5 full time now.
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post #45 of 103
11/15/07 at 4:09pm
Hey guys, PAY ATTENTION, PLEASE.
I strongly recommend G5 users to download the full-110 MB 10.5.1 update.

When I started Leopard's update process to 10.5.1 using Software Update, it detected only the 39 MB-sized version.
All went on smoothly, except for a BIG and PAINFUL issue revealed after the update: I selected the Airport on the Finder's Shared Sidebar, then I double-clicked on the folder's icon that represents the hard drive connected to the Airport base via USB

Well..... it didn't show. The "segmented wheel" on the lower-right side of the Finder's window was spinning and spinning and spinning.
I decided to disconnect all the users from the disk connected to the Airport, then I rebooted the iMac and connected such disk on an iMac's USB port.
Disk Utility revealed a fatal corruption on the USB hard drive, nothing that could be corrected.
So I give Drive Genius a try: nothing at all, even REBUILDING the drive's structure.

REMEMBER: even if (see bold up here) I disconnected from the Airport disk using one of the most reliable ways (just because "eject" icon on Finder's window, the best way among the others, didn't work), all the drive's content was corrupted, unusable, impossible to open.

Then, when I decided to download the 110-sized update and installed it on the previous smaller one, everything FIXED. Now the external hard drive can be reached when connected to the Airport's USB port.

Please, check this out and tell me if anybody else has got the same results.

Thank you,

Luca.
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post #46 of 103
11/15/07 at 4:19pm
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Originally Posted by Esper_Wizard View Post

And this lets me have hierarchical folders on the dock again:

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/mo...&mode=feedback

YOU ROCK!!! Thanks so much. Getting rid of this was a very bad decision as far as I am concerned. Having the functionality back will be REALLY appreciated.
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post #47 of 103
11/15/07 at 4:33pm
Looking good here on a new MacBook and an older Intel Mini...

Transmission is WAY faster now than with 10.5...those firewall issues must have fixed it.
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post #48 of 103
11/15/07 at 5:11pm
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Originally Posted by skottichan View Post

Yeah, guys, you might wana fix that, it's only 39mb.

39 millibits is on the small side.
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post #49 of 103
11/15/07 at 5:29pm
I've tested it 6 times. Restarts now take 2 minutes on my 2.8Ghz iMac, and each and every time I boot into 4 seconds of spinning beach ball, WTF?

After that things seem fine, so far, but what's up with the long restarts?

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post #50 of 103
11/15/07 at 5:56pm
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I've tested it 6 times. Restarts now take 2 minutes on my 2.8Ghz iMac, and each and every time I boot into 4 seconds of spinning beach ball, WTF?

After that things seem fine, so far, but what's up with the long restarts?

Check spotlight to see if its indexing the drives, for some reason it reindexed mine which took super long.
Also, run disc utility theres probably some things messed up, I had a ton of things messed up.

Everything seems to work for me now though.
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post #51 of 103
11/15/07 at 7:01pm
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Check spotlight to see if its indexing the drives, for some reason it reindexed mine which took super long.
Also, run disc utility theres probably some things messed up, I had a ton of things messed up.

Everything seems to work for me now though.

Still the same, still 2 minutes or there abouts.

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post #52 of 103
11/15/07 at 7:06pm
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Still the same, still 2 minutes or there abouts.

Have you tried reinstalling the update from Apple's download site?

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As an example, my 2.0GHz C2D w/a 5400RPM HDD now takes 23 seconds to reach the login-in screen, whereas before it took 28 seconds. Pretty good increase.

However, my keychain issues have returned when I turned on automatic syncing in .Mac again. Clearly Apple is still working out issues with .Mac. Should it really be that hard?
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post #53 of 103
11/15/07 at 7:08pm
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Originally Posted by hdasmith View Post

When you say "we", who do you mean, because Apples support pages suggest that you DON'T unless you are experiencing difficulty.

My apologies. We, i.e., my tech staff, myself and all the clients, staff and students I'm associated with.

I would suggest that you do a little more research. A great article can be found on Macworld, http://www.macworld.com/2006/08/secr...ions/index.php and from Apple: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25751

However, there are some who have opposite views. But in our own defense, I, we, have more than not found repairing permissions after an update or particularly on machines run by dumpers, i.e., users who have a bad habit of dumping and downloading everything on to the desktop, move applications out of or all over the place and/or load multiple copies of applications, utilities and even OS's without regard.

As Cicero said, Never go to excess, but let moderation be your guide.
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post #54 of 103
11/15/07 at 7:09pm
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

Still the same, still 2 minutes or there abouts.

Go drink a few pints.

Check the System logs for errors.
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post #55 of 103
11/15/07 at 7:17pm
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

Still the same, still 2 minutes or there abouts.

You may want to have a look here: http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/sbbod.html.

Even check out your login items. Are they all Leopard compatible?
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post #56 of 103
11/15/07 at 7:31pm
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Go drink a few pints.

At 3am? Besides, I'm more of a wine guy these days.

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post #57 of 103
11/15/07 at 7:37pm
What's this in System > Library > User Template?



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post #58 of 103
11/15/07 at 8:00pm
My 24" Al iMac takes FOREVER to shut down (if it is able too) and takes about twice as long ~45+ seconds to boot compared to the near 23 second boot time before.

I expected more from .1.
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post #59 of 103
11/15/07 at 8:32pm
Software update freezes when I try download the 39 meg update, needing to be force quit. More disturbing is when I try to download the 110 meg version I get a "disk cannot be mounted" error after about 19 megs is downloaded.

Rather disturbing, especially considering I haven't had any major problems with leopard to date ....

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post #60 of 103
11/15/07 at 8:38pm
Regarding the iMac freezing issue, today Apple released this:

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"iMac Graphics Firmware Update 1.0

About iMac Graphics Firmware Update 1.0
This update is for 20-inch and 24-inch aluminum iMac computers with the ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro graphics running Mac OS X 10.4.10 with iMac Software Update 1.2.1 or Leopard with iMac Software Update 1.3.

It updates the graphics firmware on the ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro to improve system stability."

http://www.apple.com/support/downloa...eupdate10.html
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post #61 of 103
11/15/07 at 9:02pm
After updating to 10.5.1 I ran permissions verify and got a lot of warnings that look like this (only with real filenames of course)

Warning: SUID file "xxx/xxxxxx/xxxxx" has been modified and will not be repaired.

For kicks I ran repair permissions and got the same result: a lot of files that have "been modified and will not be repaired."

I'm guessing this isn't something to get too concerned about as everything appears to be running smoothly.

Any ideas???
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post #62 of 103
11/15/07 at 9:22pm
Erm, nevermind...
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post #63 of 103
11/15/07 at 9:34pm
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I don't think that it's going to cause anything to happen if you leave it.
Haven't see that before though...

2 minutes restarts are not the norm for me on this machine, something's up.

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post #64 of 103
11/15/07 at 9:49pm
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What's this in System > Library > User Template?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's the template for the new "Guest Account" functionality in Leopard. For some reason it's heavily protected against modifications, having its permissions set to root or something like that. (I don't know much about UNIX permissions, I hope that what I wrote makes sense).

Edit: Ireland, did you try to boot in verbose mode (cmd-opt-v) and try to find the culprit?
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post #65 of 103
11/15/07 at 10:41pm
Came home tonight and woke my Mac Pro and now its weather and stock widgets are acting normally. Not sure what happened but I'm glad things are back to normal.

Woot.
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post #66 of 103
11/15/07 at 11:47pm
Pre-update, Transmission didn't get its traffic through the incoming port properly even though I had the firewall switched off. But the update did something to the firewall apparently and now the slowage seems to be fixed.
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post #67 of 103
11/16/07 at 12:04am
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Originally Posted by mebbert View Post

I was hoping to see updates to x11, restoring the same functionality as Tiger's x11. Does anyone have insight on the matter?

Head over to http://people.freedesktop.org/~bbyer/x11app/ and grab the latest Xquartz out of the latest xorg-server-* directory and put it in /usr/X11/bin/
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post #68 of 103
11/16/07 at 12:50am
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Originally Posted by TokyoJimu View Post

Head over to http://people.freedesktop.org/~bbyer/x11app/ and grab the latest Xquartz out of the latest xorg-server-* directory and put it in /usr/X11/bin/

Better Link:

http://www.x.org/wiki/XDarwin
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post #69 of 103
11/16/07 at 1:04am
Ireland, check your system logs.

When I upgraded from Tiger to Leopard, I had a few things left over causing the system log to get new messages every few seconds slowing everything down. For me it was a leftover NetInfo launchagent but also there's sometimes incompatible kernel extensions too. mLanAudio for instance.

CrashReporter will also generate copious amounts of files for every crash and try and send them back to Apple. I spotted that when I upgraded to LittleSnitch 2.0.

Check your /Library/Logs/CrashReporter/ folder to see if you've got files there. You can safely delete all the files in that folder, restart and watch what is crashing.
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post #70 of 103
11/16/07 at 1:12am
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CrashReporter will also generate copious amounts of files for every crash and try and send them back to Apple. I spotted that when I upgraded to LittleSnitch 2.0.

Check your /Library/Logs/CrashReporter/ folder to see if you've got files there. You can safely delete all the files in that folder, restart and watch what is crashing.

I deleted these files and got a 50 second restart, though it was a fluke, so I performed another restart. I got 32 seconds the second time. Let's hope this keeps up, and thanks.

Update: 55 seconds that time. Still, better than 2+ minutes.

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post #71 of 103
11/16/07 at 2:08am
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I deleted these files and got a 50 second restart, though it was a fluke, so I performed another restart. I got 32 seconds the second time. Let's hope this keeps up, and thanks.

Update: 55 seconds that time. Still, better than 2+ minutes.

Has /Library/Logs/CrashReporter re-filled again though?

If it has, that indicates there's a problem.
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post #72 of 103
11/16/07 at 3:03am
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Has /Library/Logs/CrashReporter re-filled again though?

If it has, that indicates there's a problem.

No, it hasn't.

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post #73 of 103
11/16/07 at 5:25am
I wish they'd fix the icon sorting in the finder. I used to be able to sort by name then kind and everything would be in alphabetical order with the folders at the end. Now, if I choose sort by kind, it doesn't keep my icons in alphabetical order. I end up with Microsoft AutoUpdate and Switch at the top of the list.
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post #74 of 103
11/16/07 at 5:35am
I used onyx to clean, delete, optimize and my computer may or may not shut down or restart. I am having to hit the power button on the back of the computer after a few minutes. I am left with the background image and the rotating clock thingy just going around and around.

I have nothing in my crash logs after numerous shut downs and restarts. Spotlight is not indexing anything, and my time machine backup is not in the middle of backing up. iDisk sync is on but not in progress when I restart or shutdown.

Any advice? \

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post #75 of 103
11/16/07 at 5:46am
After the update, and if you try to access time machine, or verify disk - you receive a box that requires that you enter an administrators name and password; there is none for my computer, nor has there ever been one. Any ideas of a fix in sight? JFD
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post #76 of 103
11/16/07 at 5:54am
I got the sam permissions repair warnings and it took forever. All seems to be running well.
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post #77 of 103
11/16/07 at 5:59am
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I got the sam permissions repair warnings and it took forever. All seems to be running well.

SDW2001, How did you repair it?
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post #78 of 103
11/16/07 at 6:37am
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SDW2001, How did you repair it?

With disk utility
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post #79 of 103
11/16/07 at 6:43am
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With disk utility

Unfortunately, I can't get into disk utility without first entering a administrator name and password... Looks like a trip to the Apple store...
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post #80 of 103
11/16/07 at 7:13am
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After updating to 10.5.1 I ran permissions verify and got a lot of warnings that look like this (only with real filenames of course)

Warning: SUID file "xxx/xxxxxx/xxxxx" has been modified and will not be repaired.

For kicks I ran repair permissions and got the same result: a lot of files that have "been modified and will not be repaired."

I'm guessing this isn't something to get too concerned about as everything appears to be running smoothly.

Any ideas???

I'm getting the same error but doesn't appear to affect functionality at all.
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