[quote]Originally posted by Bogie:
<strong>Let me get this straight - everything can be solved if Applenut and Sinewave take over the openGL and 3D acceleration projects from Apple and ATi?
Cause that is what I am hearing.
Who said that? Can anyone say bizarro extremes? Do you hear voices son?
Just pay em and they will do it eh? Ever think ATi might have said no to this?
<img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
What is in it for them, <hr></blockquote></strong>
I doubt Apple is willing to [and it does not make sense to] pay ATi as much as they would make working on new products to write new drivers for 3-5 year old stuff.
3-5 years old? try newer than that
And it doesn't matter what you think Apple is willing to do. They made statements. They need to back them up. The ****ed up big time. They lied to the consumer. They pulled the bait and switch. Why are you trying to justify Apple's actions? Are you that much of a Apple zealot?
What about IX Micro? I hear no one whining that Apple is not accelerating their hardware. And it is supported according to Apple. Supported does not mean what we want it to. It means whatever the party saying it wants it to.
Apple never said OS X would support the Machines IX Micro came with did it? No. Your point is moot.
Sucks, I don't like it, yet it is reality.
Now ... please explain how it is that Apple should support every product that ships with a Mac and that the supplier does not have responsibility.
Cause when they make promises that the hardware they are shipping will be OS X ready they need to make sure it is? How big of a no-brainer is this one folks? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> Again Apple is the only one that made this claim.. Apple is the only that needs to make sure to back it up. It's on their shoulders. How many times am I going to have to repeat myself on this one? What part of that is confusing you?
Lets take a trip down that road.
That would meant that everyone can make Mac hardware for Apple. Cause there is nearly no difference in 75% of the hardware used between platforms right?
So the problem is not that 3rd parties don't support Apple it's that Apple doesn't spend more time and money writing drivers for 3rd party stuff.
Why should I expect any third party vendor to write Mac software for their hardware? Why can't Apple do it all?
Depends If companies want to support Apple they will write drivers for their platform. But the difference is here this hardware COMES BUNDLED with the Mac. This is apart of the Mac computer they sold. They are responsible to make sure that hardware works. And when they make claims about support on this hardware it is up to THEM to back it up. Again why do I feel like I keep repeating myself? If a 3rd party wants to write drivers for hardware that doesn't ship on Macs cool deal! If they want to make it OS X ready good deal! We are talking about hardware Apple ships with it's computers. Hardware Apple is responsible for.
See thing is, there is a contract between Apple and ATi, and if it states that ATi writes the drivers, then that implies Apple can not, not practically, and not legally.
Please show me this contract. I want to see it <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> ANd that doesn't mean Apple can't pay ATI to write them does it? No again it falls back into Apple's lap.
Apple isn't outsourcing graphics in terms of having someone make a chipset for them. Apple is buying a ready made solution from a third party, when you buy an off the shelf ATi card from CompUSA it is little different from Apple buying truck loads of them.
But I bet they get a bulk rate.
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Yes and the difference in buying a card in CompUSA and having a card that came with your Mac that Apple shipped is Apple is responsible for the card they ship with their product.
Again you made no point. Just more apologistic zealot behavior.
[ 12-31-2001: Message edited by: Sinewave ]</p>