[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bogie:
"Just a short statement of purpose. All I want to know."
Thanks for trying to get us on track. OK, here's my summary again (also on MacNN, but no one goes to that thread anymore):
The Apple TIL was originally written in March of 2001 and was revised in December 2001. (I don't know what it said originally, and no one else offered any insight.) If you go to the ATI website, it says that it is not their intention to provide OS X support for RAGE? PRO based products." I believe the Apple TIL was revised in response to this ATI statement, although I cannot back that up because I do not know when they posted it.
Furthermore, ATI states that "As OS X matures, ATI intends to provide updated drivers for our customers." This leads me to speculate that while Apple and ATI work together to provide hardware drivers, there is some code of a proprietary nature which requires ATI involvement.
The Apple TIL says for best results to use the current version of OS X. The Apple TIL does not say "Future" development is not planned. It says "further" development is not planned. It is probably a stretch, but this may not preclude the release of new drivers in the current version of OS X, but it might mean that "further" development (i.e., by ATI) will not be available.
It is interesting to note that the same situation exists with Rage Pro drivers and Windows XP. There is discussion on the <a href="http://www.opengl.org
</a> site that the Rage Pro does not seem to support OpenGL on Windows XP and the ATI seemed to indicate the only way Rage Pro was supported was via the generic driver.
It is also interesting (to me, at least) that the situation seems to be completely different with NVIDIA. NVIDIA does not say they are responsible for the driver, but that the user must go to Apple for the driver.
I know my interpretation of the TIL differs from the MacCentral columnist, but I'm not a trained industry analyst. But, no, I am not exonerating Apple. I mean to state
1) the situation with older ATI drivers may be more complex than petitioning Apple to write drivers
2) if Apple cannot write the drivers independently from ATI, they may not be able to pay ATI a reasonable amount to write drivers if ATI does not want to write drivers
3) related to 2) given the problems with older ATI chipsets in both OS X and Win XP, it does not look like ATI wants to support the older hardware
4) Apple may not be stating that they will not update the ATI PRO drivers,
and, for those who have not abandoned the platform,
5) it seems to me that anyone getting a Mac in the future might find better support with NVIDIA graphics rather than ATI graphics, if the choice is available.
My goals here follow:
To find out if anyone knows for sure the relationship between ATI and Apple as far as driver development goes and if Apple can proceed independently. (My concern is that since there are so many more Wintel machines with ATI graphics and since there have been the same complaints about Windows XP support for the Rage Pro chipset, ATI involvement may be necessary due to proprietary code, and that ATI has chosen to no longer support the Rage Pro chipset.)
To find out if anyone sees another interpretation to the Apple TIL beyond the sensationalism of the news media. (At least one other person has agreed that there is not definitive evidence that Apple will no update the drivers.)
And to solicit opinions on whether the same situation is likely to happen with other ATI products and since the relationship between ATI and NVIDIA and Apple seem to be completely different, whether it would be wise to choose NVIDIA graphics if the choice is available.
My references are on the following websites:
</a> (OS X FAQ)
My complaint is with no specific person, but anyone who dilutes the subject matter and thus discourages anyone from trying to follow the discussion.