Originally Posted by gastroboy
I took the cue from your instant dismissal of the statistics on gun victims, that yours is a "conclusion down" approach. As such that everything gets dismissed that doesn't match your "gut feeling". A Bushism of "don't let facts get in the way of irrational policy".
What a riot.
"Irrational policy" like, I dunno... full gun bans that lead to things like DC murder rates.
Irrational policy that leads to mass killings mostly in "gun free zones," while CCW states are seeing violent crime continue to drop.
Irrational policy that says that criminals give two shits about what law you make... once again since you missed it, criminals do not care about the law. They are criminals.
Irrational policy that says that law abiding people should be disarmed, regardless of what criminals decide to do re: the legal condition of guns.
Irrational indeed. And once again, go do your homework... the NRA supported McClure Vollkmer and the registration and ban on machine guns as far back as 1986. You're dealing in caricatures here, no doubt gleaned from IANSA and crew.
Such as your ludicrous assertion that any British increase in gun deaths is due to a lack of guns not an increasing excess of guns. Let's ignore the incredibly smaller percentage of gun killings in Britain and virtually every other civilised country, when by your conjecture they should have more due to the "defenselessness" of the general population.
I'm ready to read any third-party info you might have re: the UK. My previous request for such things a week ago has gone unanswered.
That Americans want to slaughter each other in a spiralling cycle of stupidity would not concern us so much if it wasn't for the NRA trying to export their stupidity to other countries which have largely avoided it.
News flash, since you missed it... violent crime is DOWN and has been falling in the US since the 1990s. Again, please do your homework before retreating into "spiraling cycles of stupidity." Do you have any substance (no-snark) to discuss here? And also... re: the NRA internationally- prove it. Show me. Give us more than conjecture. The NRA internationally has been focused on one thing- keeping the totalitarians at the UN from violating the US Constitution.
Also that the use of guns has formed your politics into what it is. A cardboard cutout of a democracy.
Oooooo.... "a cardboard cutout." Please clarify this statement. Gun ownership degrades democracy? Please, oh please, take that stand....
Guns let the cowardly chose their victim from a safe distance, taking them by surprise and despatching them more efficiently and in greater numbers. More guns lead to more killings leads to more people arming themselves to yet more people being killed and so on.
If this held up in any sort of way... 'splain this to me... WHY has crime DROPPED in places where citizens are allowed to carry a concealed handgun. Please do not ignore this one... it's important. Again, if gun bans worked, Washington DC would be the safest place in the country, followed by LA, San Fran, and Chicago. DC is the crime capital of the nation. It appears that you are 180 degrees out of phase... LESS GUNS leads to MORE KILLING in the DC situation.
Guns are not new to the US... we have about 150 million of them, depending on who you ask. You have ZERO chance of getting them out of the hands of criminals BEFORE people who respect the law. As such, your misguided and politics-in-a-vacuum agenda will cost a lot of decent, hard-working people their lives and property. Fully 1 in every 30 people in my town has a concealed handgun... and guess what... crime is DOWN since concealed carry became law in Texas. Put that in your arrogant pipe and smoke it.
You're wasting your time with me, honestly. In this thread, you have claimed the outrageous:
1. About the NRA. that it defends criminals, advocates "guns for everyone" (complete lie), and does not prosecute criminals (go read your US Govt book please). You still have not responded to Project Exile or any single point I have made to refute your BS and FUD on the NRA.
2. About every gun owner as some sort of monster with a "sad sorry existence", and have even stated that I am planning to murder my family. You demonstrate an utter lack of knowledge, or are just lying outright, about the average gun owner in the US. Stick to what you know... and it isn't the average American gun owner, of which there are 60-80 million. (Still waiting for your response to my request)
You are not interested in answering a single question I have asked of you, especially regarding things like "brochures" ... "gun ownership rates" ... "genocide" ... "who voted for Iraq" and "begging skills." You come in, post in utterly hysterical over-the-top caricatures, then refuse to answer even simple questions about your beliefs. And then you claim I am planning to murder my family just because I own a gun. You, sir, are a troll.
I have to say... thank you. You help keep me motivated for my rights and my sport here in the US. Knowing you are out there makes me work even harder. Hell, I even posted your earlier tripe on the board at the trap and skeet club. Good times... good times..
I might just name my next gun after you... engraved in big letters.
You have no way to reason with someone like me, who sees MY GUN as one of the few things that keeps my business, my family, and myself safe. Because it does
in my line of work. Truly... you'll never change people like me. Ever. You do not have the depth to understand why. I've had a criminal's gun in my face... a gun that NO LAW YOU MAKE would have kept from him. You've got a policy paper, and you're ill-equipped to answer a single thing that is not on the page.