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Why doesn't Leopard have FTP abilities built in?!

post #1 of 29
11/21/07 at 5:00pm
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This is depressing. Why cant I upload files to a server via the Finder? Why, oh, why! C'mon Apple!
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post #2 of 29
11/21/07 at 6:19pm
It boggles the mind, doesn't it?
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post #3 of 29
11/21/07 at 8:18pm
I use Fetch, it is crap that the Finder doesn't do it though.

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post #4 of 29
11/21/07 at 10:10pm
It should be noted that the Finder DOES have READ FTP support. And the FTP locations show up in the new "Shared" section.

Cyberduck is a great free FTP program. Very robust. And did I mention, free?
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post #5 of 29
11/22/07 at 1:22am
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It should be noted that the Finder DOES have READ FTP support. And the FTP locations show up in the new "Shared" section.

Cyberduck is a great free FTP program. Very robust. And did I mention, free?

All this is good and nice, but I did not know that in Leopard ftp is still read only through the Finder. Could anyone provide a reasonable explanation as to why after 6 to 7 years of Mac OS X development Apple still refuses to provide such a basic functionality?
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post #6 of 29
11/22/07 at 2:25pm
You can still FTP from the terminal.
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post #7 of 29
11/22/07 at 3:03pm
Correction: ftp, sftp, scp are all built-in.

What's missing: Fancy GUI with Drag n' Drop in the finder.
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post #8 of 29
11/22/07 at 3:08pm
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Originally Posted by onlooker View Post

You can still FTP from the terminal.

Yes, I know, you always could use the terminal for that and this is what I do in principle. But there are times when this functionality in the Finder would be handy. Needless to say that the vast majority of people would do it through the Finder and not terminal.

So, Apple's refusal to provide such a basic feature is beyond what my poor mind can capture.
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post #9 of 29
11/22/07 at 6:20pm
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

Correction: ftp, sftp, scp are all built-in.

What's missing: Fancy GUI with Drag n' Drop in the finder.

As in, what's missing is an actual client built in, which OS X should have? You are correct

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post #10 of 29
11/22/07 at 6:55pm
Probably because the vast majority of users don't need it, and the ones that do can download a program in 5 seconds anyway.
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post #11 of 29
11/22/07 at 7:59pm
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Probably because the vast majority of users don't need it, and the ones that do can download a program in 5 seconds anyway.

5 seconds?

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post #12 of 29
11/22/07 at 10:52pm
Took me about 5 seconds.

You can use the terminal to ssh into your site, but as i'm too lazy to do that all the time, i downloaded filezilla, which probably took me less than 5 seconds to download actually.
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post #13 of 29
11/23/07 at 6:31am
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Originally Posted by PB View Post

Yes, I know, you always could use the terminal for that and this is what I do in principle. But there are times when this functionality in the Finder would be handy. ...

You can add this functionality to the Finder by installing Interarchy.
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post #14 of 29
11/23/07 at 7:17am
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Originally Posted by PB View Post

All this is good and nice, but I did not know that in Leopard ftp is still read only through the Finder. Could anyone provide a reasonable explanation as to why after 6 to 7 years of Mac OS X development Apple still refuses to provide such a basic functionality?

My guess would be, by not providing an upload ftp client, Apple steps on one less 3rd party developer.
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post #15 of 29
11/23/07 at 1:03pm
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Took me about 5 seconds.

You can use the terminal to ssh into your site, but as i'm too lazy to do that all the time, i downloaded filezilla, which probably took me less than 5 seconds to download actually.

Download time yes, but for finding it and launching it

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post #16 of 29
11/23/07 at 2:58pm
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Took me about 5 seconds.

You can use the terminal to ssh into your site, but as i'm too lazy to do that all the time, i downloaded filezilla, which probably took me less than 5 seconds to download actually.

OK, now give me a break. 81.6 MB, when decompressed, for an ftp application? No thanks. Fortunately for some reason it fails to launch on my system, so I got rid immediately of it.

On the other hand, Fugu is a really nice and light application of this kind. And free of course.

But our question is why ftp functionality in the Finder is half-baked. And I am afraid letting independent developers survive is not the answer. We have counter-examples.
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post #17 of 29
11/23/07 at 9:22pm
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OK, now give me a break. 81.6 MB, when decompressed, for an ftp application? No thanks. Fortunately for some reason it fails to launch on my system, so I got rid immediately of it.

On the other hand, Fugu is a really nice and light application of this kind. And free of course.

But our question is why ftp functionality in the Finder is half-baked. And I am afraid letting independent developers survive is not the answer. We have counter-examples.

Or cyberduck, also free.
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post #18 of 29
11/23/07 at 10:28pm
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Or cyberduck, also free.

Yes, there are some nice ftp clients for Mac OS X out there. I picked up Fugu as an example, but this was not clear in my message.
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post #19 of 29
11/24/07 at 9:28am
FTP Uploading should be in the Finder. IMHO.
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post #20 of 29
11/24/07 at 10:20am
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FTP Uploading should be in the Finder. IMHO.

I don't know. While Windows has this, its really not very good at all. Most people end up just getting a real client.
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post #21 of 29
11/24/07 at 1:08pm
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Originally Posted by troberts View Post

My guess would be, by not providing an upload ftp client, Apple steps on one less 3rd party developer.

My thoughts exactly. Why does Apple have to provide everything? Why not allow other talented developers step up to the plate?
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post #22 of 29
11/25/07 at 1:04pm
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My thoughts exactly. Why does Apple have to provide everything? Why not allow other talented developers step up to the plate?

Why!? Because it's already there! What would it take, a few guys coding for two days to implement!? It's already half there. It's really annoying. I don't need a "real client". I'd just like to be be able to upload, in Finder.
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post #23 of 29
11/25/07 at 4:21pm
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Originally Posted by troberts View Post

My guess would be, by not providing an upload ftp client, Apple steps on one less 3rd party developer.

When has that stopped them?
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post #24 of 29
11/26/07 at 10:43am
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

As in, what's missing is an actual client built in, which OS X should have? You are correct

Of course, all of those command line tools are *real clients*, and they are *built-in*. You'd have to go out of your way to end up with a version of Darwin/OS X that doesn't include them.

What's missing is integration into the GUI.

Enough mincing words for today...
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post #25 of 29
11/29/07 at 1:21am
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Originally Posted by lfmorrison View Post

Of course, all of those command line tools are *real clients*, and they are *built-in*. ..... what's missing is integration into the GUI.

Okay, sure...."only" the GUI is missing. But what the hell is OS X if not a GUI built on a load of *real* command line apps.

...and anyway, real or not, when is the last time you copied a file using the "real" command...drag and drop is easier, faster, and (most of the time) more efficient...so it would be with ftp as well...which is why most people who have to use ftp all the time (including myself) end up downloading a client...

I recommend Yummy FTP by the way...despite the horrific name, its a great client....not free though...but worth the price (just try autoroute)...

as for no ftp support in finder...i would think it has more to do with some sort of license or other agreement apple has with one company or another...
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post #26 of 29
12/8/08 at 10:57am
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Originally Posted by MajorMatt View Post

This is depressing. Why cant I upload files to a server via the Finder? Why, oh, why! C'mon Apple!

So tell Apple about it, file a bug report!

http://developer.apple.com/bugreporter/bugrptform.html


Those are definitely read, and if they get enough heat, may do something about it. Same goes for any other nit users have with Apple products, the more users complain about feature X, the more likely it is to get some attention.
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post #27 of 29
12/8/08 at 12:20pm
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Why!? Because it's already there! What would it take, a few guys coding for two days to implement!? It's already half there. It's really annoying. I don't need a "real client". I'd just like to be be able to upload, in Finder.

Couple days - right. Its probably a good 3-4 month job. Why? Because FTP works very differently than a real file system does. So many assumptions in the Finder, many behaviors would need to be tweaked and modified throughout the entire chain of the Finder.

Yes, Apple *could* do it, but its not simple. And it probably would suck. Just like FTP in Windows Explorer sucks so bad it'd be better if it simply wasn't there. Aha - maybe that's why its not in Finder.
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post #28 of 29
12/8/08 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by onlooker View Post

You can still FTP from the terminal.

You can also copy, delete, concatenate, search, etc from the Terminal app. So why did Apple bother building that functionality into the Finder also ???
Not having such basic functionality in the Finder is odd. Apple has built it into iLife apps (but only works with .mac/.me servers) so it's obviously not an impossible thing to do
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post #29 of 29
1/17/09 at 5:21pm
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Originally Posted by MajorMatt View Post

This is depressing. Why cant I upload files to a server via the Finder? Why, oh, why! C'mon Apple!

I thought you could through the Finder
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