Originally Posted by gastroboy
Russia 17,075,400 km² 143 million people of widely varying ethnic origins and languages
Wow! A whole 143m people! Almost half the US population! Excellent!
Canada 9, 976,139 km² 33 million with a far greater percentage of immigrants than the USA
Care to back that up? I'm just curious. Wouldn't surprise me that a country with a population the size of New England could have a greater percentage of immigrants than the region of the US most heavily populated by immigrants, but for some reason I just don't buy it without seeing proof.
China 9,598,086 km² with 1,321 million who may all look alike to you but contain minorities that are bigger than most countries
I didn't realize we were talking about "minorities"; I thought we were talking about my claim that America's size and diversity bring to the table certain problems.
Brazil 8,514,877 km² with 183 million, many different ethnic groups and large number of immigrants.
Excellent! Half the US population, again.
Australia 7,741,220 km² with 21 million, over 25% of whom were born overseas.
21 whole million! In that nation that remains, to this day, a fine example of English imperialism! And a quarter born overseas? You don't say! No doubt they're all moving there to get on Big Brother.
India 3,287,590 km² 1,120 million of innumerable different ethnic and language groups
Yup. India is big. It has problems.
Argentina 2,766,890 km² with 40 million also many of which are immigrants.
Indonesia 1,919,440 km² 230 million and an enormous number of ethnic groups
Yeah. I'm not so sure Indonesia helps you here. But congrats on using the CIA World Fact Book! Fantastic resource.
Time to come out of the xenocentric cupboard you are pronouncing from.
OK. Look. You seem to be determined to pick a fight with me. I don't know if this if because you just have some kind of typical stereotype of Americans in your head or if you have some kind of specific beef with me for agreeing with a Londoner (WHO, I SHOULD POINT OUT, HAS FAILED TO MEET ME FOR LUNCH TWICE NOW...HASSAN! I'LL BE COMING BACK, YOU KNOW!). But I would suggest that you consider a couple of things:
1) It is just as bigoted to think all Americans conform to some stereotype as it is to think all Brits sit around wearing ascots and drinking tea. I know, I know, Segovius most certainly wears some Welsh ascot. And he does love his tea.
2) If you think that I'm pronouncing from a "xenocentric cupboard" when I note that America is big and diverse and that being big and diverse generally brings problems with it, you seriously need to re-evaluate what "xenocentric" means.
3) I'm really tempted to just write you off and a tosser and add you to my ignore list.
Name any other western country which has court cases involving religious fundamentalism and attempts to suppress the teaching of evolutionary theory?
None. So what? And? We shouldn't allow people to bring lawsuits? If you're talking about the most recent abomination of a "trial" about Intelligent Design, not that I defend such nonsense, you would do well to note that it was not about suppressing
the teaching evolution.
Name any other country that refuses to agree to international treaties to restrain the runaway consumption that is causing damage to the environment based on the populist sacred right to consume? (Australia has just kicked out their "US deputy" PM and will now sign Kyoto. His own party has now renounced those policies now that he was voted out of his own seat and is history).
So now we're on to Kyoto? Ugh. I don't want to talk about Kyoto. I want to talk about how I'm a xenocentric American pigdog!
At any rate, there was much rejoicing in my house when Howard was booted; I just hope that Rudd can refrain from eating his own earwax on television again.
Materialism as a culture is ancient, Ruskin was not pronouncing on anything new. What is new is how American hegemony and marketing have so thoroughly enforced this worldwide and the effect it is having. As well as the reaction.
So it's America's fault but it's not but it is? Except when it isn't? I think maybe you'd do better to pop down the pub and harangue some random American tourist with this kind of tortured logic.
I am well aware of the ignorance of the British. They are not alone and you are right, it is becoming a worldwide problem for the smugly affluent.
And yet you want to blame America for it. I'm not one to shirk from blaming America when it deserves it, as any conservative around here will tell you, but you just seem like you want to bash, well, ME, for some stereotype of America and Americans.
Lesson one in not being a jerk: no culture is monolithic; not all members of a culture agree.