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post #1 of 32
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OSX cannot sucessfully and fully network with NT networks (probably the most common cross platform network)I am sure that the OS9 option will still exist. But Until they fix this I think it is a mistake that will only piss off many IT people.

Maybe they will release OS 10.2 by then and it will fix the problem. I know I can't use OSX until this is fixed.
post #2 of 32
I'm sure the great majority of new iMac buyers won't be trying to connect to many NT networks... I don't exactly think the iMac was designed for those in IT.
post #3 of 32
it's too hard to boot up for the first time. click system preferences, click startup disk, slect OS 9 and reboot?
post #4 of 32
The people who are worried about NT networks can figure that one out.
post #5 of 32
If we're talking about IT people, then we're talking about corporate computers, not individual home computers. And corporations don't buy computers unless they have people who know the basics of how to operate them -- like how to reset the startup folder and boot into OS9 if that's required for compatibility with the company network.

Not an issue!
post #6 of 32
Any Mac coming into a major company these days is probably getting reimaged with OS 9 as the default (and only) OS. It will be a while before companies are sufficiently versed with the new system to roll it out. The company I work for is still testing OS X, and all new Macs purchased get set up in 9, and they even take your system disks away.

(They also reimage any Windows XP boxes with Win2K, but that's another story I guess.)
post #7 of 32
Where I work they looked at X and it was so useless they just booted into 9 and forgot about it.
post #8 of 32
[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong>Where I work they looked at X and it was so useless they just booted into 9 and forgot about it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Are they all anti-OS X like you?
post #9 of 32
[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong>Where I work they looked at X and it was so useless they just booted into 9 and forgot about it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

post #10 of 32
[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong>Where I work they looked at X and it was so useless they just booted into 9 and forgot about it.</strong><hr></blockquote>



No doubt it was the fifteen minutes spent resizing Finder windows that did it.

Scott, you are a treasure.
post #11 of 32
[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong>Where I work they looked at X and it was so useless they just booted into 9 and forgot about it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ignorance is bliss....

IT and NT managers are sometimes an ignorant lot. C'mon, you can't tell me that there is NO possibility even now that this can't be done? Third party software or otherwise?

Nothing...? An embarrassment on either their part or Apple's...

I'd be interested in seeing someone's light bulb pop up...
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post #12 of 32
Well it works here with a NT4 box. Entering sharenames and workgroups and passwords is nothing for newbies and annoys the hell out of me to be frank, however I have file access both ways. The current SMB version in X is inferior to that of X Server I think, but it is not failing completely.
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[quote]Originally posted by Artman @_@:
<strong>

Ignorance is bliss....

IT and NT managers are sometimes an ignorant lot. C'mon, you can't tell me that there is NO possibility even now that this can't be done? Third party software or otherwise?

Nothing...? An embarrassment on either their part or Apple's...

I'd be interested in seeing someone's light bulb pop up...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Mac users can be an "ignorant lot" too. The major problem with OS X where I "work" was AppleTalk. Let's see if I remember. NT 4 supports AppleTalk. OS X only supports AppleTalk via TCP/IP. So there was no way to use the existing AppleTalk share on the NT system. There is no AppleTalk via IP for NT 4, only 2000 or XP (???). The department IS NOT going to "upgrade" the server to 2000/XP just to get AppleTalk over IP. In fact they can't do it. So OS X was a no go.
post #14 of 32
[quote]Originally posted by Kate:
<strong>Well it works here with a NT4 box. Entering sharenames and workgroups and passwords is nothing for newbies and annoys the hell out of me to be frank, however I have file access both ways. The current SMB version in X is inferior to that of X Server I think, but it is not failing completely.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Maybe it's been fixed? I don't know and don't care. IMO Apple is the one that needs to get this shit working. If they were smart they'd sign a deal with Microsoft to assure that file access to Windows machine will be there and work.
post #15 of 32
" I don't know and don't care " brands your statements as emotional opinion and not logical reasoning. But, I already knew that.

[ 01-09-2002: Message edited by: jimmac ]</p>
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post #16 of 32
[quote]Originally posted by jimmac:
<strong>" I don't know and don't care " brands your statements as emotional opinion and not logical reasoning. But, I already knew that. </strong><hr></blockquote>

No it doesn't. It just means that I don't care. Mostly because I don't care if some handful of Mac users start using OS X where I work. For that to happen I'd have to go over there and tell them that it *may* be working now and tell them they have to buy the free update and then ....

But that's not going to happen because I don't care if they use it.

[ 01-09-2002: Message edited by: Scott H. ]</p>
post #17 of 32
[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong>

Mac users can be an "ignorant lot" too. The major problem with OS X where I "work" was AppleTalk. Let's see if I remember. NT 4 supports AppleTalk. OS X only supports AppleTalk via TCP/IP. So there was no way to use the existing AppleTalk share on the NT system. There is no AppleTalk via IP for NT 4, only 2000 or XP (???). The department IS NOT going to "upgrade" the server to 2000/XP just to get AppleTalk over IP. In fact they can't do it. So OS X was a no go.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I thought AppleTalk came back in 10.1 ?

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post #18 of 32
I don't know? If I see the comptuer guy I'll tell him to check it out. I wont though because I don't care.
post #19 of 32
[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong>But that's not going to happen because I don't care if they use it.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ah...ignorance is bliss...just kidding Scott H.
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post #20 of 32
It's just a YP (HP?) not a MP.

[ 01-09-2002: Message edited by: Scott H. ]</p>
post #21 of 32
It is an emotional statement. The statements context followed " maybe it's been fixed " but, later you say " Apple is the one who's got to get this shit working " but, later you say you " don't care ". Which is it Scott H?

Please don't start that broken record about the the free update. I got it for free very easily and I don't know anyone who didn't. Heck the guy that works in the university bookstore where I work got 10 copies to hand out!

This is the attitude that ended your job as moderator at MacNN isn't it? Sorry, but I think it's just childish.
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post #22 of 32
I got it for free because I got it for free from someone why got it for free for $20.
post #23 of 32
Maybe he/she should have tried harder. I went down to the local Apple franchise store ( not an Apple store but an Apple only store here in the North West ) The Computer Store and they made me sign a paper saying I had received my copy and they gave it to me.
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[quote]Originally posted by jimmac:
<strong>Maybe he/she should have tried harder. I went down to the local Apple franchise store ( not an Apple store but an Apple only store here in the North West ) The Computer Store and they made me sign a paper saying I had received my copy and they gave it to me. </strong><hr></blockquote>

The guy at the Apple Store in Schaumburg just tossed a copy into my hands. Now that they know the update CDs can be hacked into full install CDs, they're probably not doing that anymore.
post #25 of 32
IN my opinion, if they try to make money selling OSX they are going to have a problem. I'm using it, but I don't like it enough to pay for it. Hell I paid $20 for 9 and that was the only one I ever paid for. CD burners are a wonderful thing.

[ 01-14-2002: Message edited by: norfa ]</p>
post #26 of 32
[quote]Originally posted by norfa:
<strong>IN my opinion, if they try to make money selling OSX they are going to have a problem. I'm using it, but I don't like it enough to pay for it. Hell I paid $20 for 9 and that was the only one I ever paid for. CD burners are a wonderful thing.

[ 01-14-2002: Message edited by: norfa ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

it's one thing to participate in privacy. it's another thing to promote it

IMO $129 for a rewritten operating system is a small price to pay for its benefits. and the upgrade is/was free. I walked into CompUSA asked the guy he cam back with one 10.1 update CD, I asked if I could have a second for my friend and he snuck me out with 2
post #27 of 32
[quote] it's one thing to participate in privacy. it's another thing to promote it <hr></blockquote>I participate in privacy too. However, I don't endorse piracy.
post #28 of 32
Geez, I've never had a problem with NT and OS X...

I want to take my computer lab up to 160MB of RAM and put OS X on all of them...I'm really sick of OS 9.
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post #29 of 32
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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IMO $129 for a rewritten operating system is a small price to pay for its benefits </strong><hr></blockquote>

I totally agree. It's not just like it was any update. It's a whole new OS.
post #30 of 32
OS X has made me a lot more productive, it almost seems like it was made for me. It allows me to use Mac apps, graphics apps, webdesign apps, as well as CLI apps, in fact that it has a CLI at all is a blessing, not to mention that it is integrated with Apache, PHP, good networking, etc. Plus the interface is more intuitive and just looks really great. It's reinspired me to be interested in my Mac, just when I was starting to get bored with things. Apple is also doing a great job of handing us a lot of free updates, and listening to feedback--it's cool that we can even give Apple feedback so easily and readily. Overall, I think this completely new and forward-thinking system is well worth $129.
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post #31 of 32
ScottH, I am sorry to see your replies have so little thought to them. You are very sharp, but these replies in this thread at least do not show that one bit. To say:

If I see the guy, I will ask him, but I won't because I don't care. -or- Maybe it was fixed, but its apples problem, but I don't care.

is just a plain lazy way to answer. Sounds like a badly scratched skipping record. How about jsut saying, our company standard is OS 9 and we do not currently have a test in the works for OS X so therefore it is not productive for me to spend my time trying to get it to work. Says the smae thing, but sounds a heck of a lot smarter and reasonable. Not that I care what os your comapny actually uses.

Oh and I am sure you don't care what I think either.
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post #32 of 32
[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong>If I see the comptuer guy I'll tell him to check it out. I wont though because I don't care.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Jesus, that's one of the funniest posts I've seen today.

I will but I won't.

Niiiiice.

BTW, I paid full price for OSX, and I think it was worth the money.

&lt;bullshit&gt;In fact, I have paid full price for every piece of software I have.&lt;/bullshit&gt;

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