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$1500 is a lot better than $3000. I can see the wisdom of sacrificing the optical drive for more expensive SDD storage and lower cost. This price leaves room for 128 GB SDD at $2000.

That Vaio is also .17" thicker than the MacBook Pro. So Apple's ultra-portable will be over half as thin. And weight a lot less.

$2000? what are you smoking! 128gb ssd drives start at over $3500!!
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I think some of the earlier reports said NO drives.
So add $$ to the cost to buy an external device.
Though it seems like a lot of people install from a server these days.

Yea.. web server...
post #43 of 141
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So around 13 millimeters... nice..

I can't see it being that thin myself, if it is in fact a notebook - which I think it may well be.

I would be shocked if it was 13mm or less.
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post #44 of 141
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Originally Posted by Clive At Five View Post

Please be less than 13", please be less than 13", please be less than 13", please be less than 13"!

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100% agreement on that!

13 is just too big to be called a sub-notebook. Many notebooks come in at 12 inches; recall the PB 12"? Sub has got to mean smaller than 12". Yeah, Sony has one; they even have a smaller one than is pretty amazing: the UX, which sorta replaced the Clie. With the Clie division killed off, I guess they threw the same engineers onto the UX.

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post #45 of 141
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$2000? what are you smoking! 128gb ssd drives start at over $3500!!

You may be looking at the price from last year. They are not that expensive today. 32GB SDD is about $350, 64GB SDD is around $700. Plus these prices change radically over a short period of time.

By the middle of 2008 these will be even cheaper.
post #46 of 141
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Originally Posted by ThunkDifferent.com View Post

iWonder is 13" is too big for some people. For me, it's not big enough, i really need at least a 14" powerbook or 15' mac book pro. Perhaps a 12" tablet will be introduced at mac world. iBet the call it the ipocket or something like that. Ther is always the modbook which has been out for a year or so.

Good God man where did you get that terrible name from? They will call that tablet product "Mac touch", that much is obvious. Besides that's not the product being discussed here.
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post #47 of 141
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You may be looking at the price from last year. They are not that expensive today. 32GB SDD is about $350, 64GB SDD is around $700. Plus these prices change radically over a short period of time.

By the middle of 2008 these will be even cheaper.


Those prices are from google products and newegg together. Plus, the Apple product in question is not being released mid 08, but rather Q1.
post #48 of 141
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Good God man where did you get that terrible name from? They will call that tablet product "Mac touch", that much is obvious. Besides that's not the product being discussed here.

Hahahahaha Agreed.

And if it is a notebook in fact, you're right. It wont be that thin.
post #49 of 141
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Those prices are from google products and newegg together. Plus, the Apple product in question is not being released mid 08, but rather Q1.

OK I see you are right. Their isn't much demand for 128 GB SDD right now, but those prices will come down quickly as production ramps.

Also I didn't necessarily mean that Apple would use them in January, but prices will drop and its no big deal for Apple to offer them later.
post #50 of 141
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OK I see you are right. Their isn't much demand for 128 GB SDD right now, but those prices will come down quickly as production ramps.

You mean there isn't much supply??? I don't know a single person on these forums who would turn down a 128GB SSD. Demand is there but due to production costs, only so many can be made. Due to their rarity, the price is high. Econ 101.

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post #51 of 141
I doubt that we'll see high-capacity SSD at affordable prices any time next year.
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..a source close to Apple's manufacturing facilities has confirmed that the company will launch its much rumored sub-notebook at Macworld in January and that it will also have a 3G iPhone on store shelves by June at the latest.

...the device will be 50 percent thinner than the company's existing MacBook Pro, employ NAND flash memory in place of a traditional hard disk drive, and that it will definitively arrive at Macworld.

And the entire GUI of the new "sub-notebook" OS will probably be iTunes.

Welp, that kills about half the magic of MWSF for me. With "breaking news" being leaked about the World's Largest iPod and a 3G version of iPhone, I figure about all we'll have left is an announcement of new iPages templates and movie rentals from the iTunes store. Maybe a speed-bumped iMac or two.

As a fan of big displays and monster CPUs that rip through large P'shop files, the whoopla of miniaturization doesn't get me worked up, but I realize lots of other readers are fascinated by it. If it came down to what I dropped $1500 on in January, I'd get more use from a 30" display than a 10" computer, and I dread the possibility of Apple's narrow focus on the miniature PC, c-phone and gadget market for MWSF. I can envision the "one more thing" announcement being a 12-inch glossy LED Cinema Displays to plug into your sub-book for "maximizing desktop real estate."

I fear there won't be much on display from Apple in SF that I'll covet.
post #53 of 141
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Demand is there but due to production costs, only so many can be made. Due to their rarity, the price is high. Econ 101.

If they wanted chip makers could shift production to make more 128GB and less 32 or 64, bringing down costs. If they felt their was enough of a market to justify doing so.

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I doubt that we'll see high-capacity SSD at affordable prices any time next year.

Affordable is subjective. Any SDD is expensive in comparison to an HDD. 32GB was over $1000 last year. The prices are falling fairly quickly and steadily.
post #54 of 141
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Sony TZ series: http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...tegoryId=16154

11" with DVD burner, Hybrid 64GB Solid State Drive, and 200GB Hard Drive.
This thing even has a damn Macbook keyboard and a modem. Wow.

Dimensions (Approx.)
* 10.9"(W) 0.8" - 1.17"(H) 7.8"(D)

This "ultraportable" is thicker than a Macbook Pro.
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And the entire GUI of the new "sub-notebook" OS will probably be iTunes.


As a fan of big displays and monster CPUs that rip through large P'shop files.

With all due respect (I totally get why you like that kind of system) why should Apple be focusing on that type of use?
There's a place for big honking systems, just like there's a need for Diesel Semis. And I think Apple needs to beef up its desktop/server end.

But processing power is now such that for 95% of users (if not more) that kind of power is a total waste of money.

Also, Apple's forte is 'ease-of-use'. The kind of user who needs a server or high-end development power is as likely to be using command-line unix as they are to need or want what Apple excels at. Apple wants to grow. Growth is in the consumer end, not the server end.
post #56 of 141
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If it's only $1500, then it's just a better MacBook in a much slimmer form. I'm just hoping battery life doesn't suffer due to a slimmer profile (and thus, less space for the battery).

Theoretically, SSD, a more efficient processor and LED all lead to energy savings and much longer battery life and some weight savings. They also allow a smaller battery (and a choice of slightly weight savings to return battery life).

If you look at existing SSD computers, they have impressive battery life...
post #57 of 141
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Hard drives take very little power, accounting for like 5% of a typical notebook's power consumption. /3rds that of the T series. That allows for generally longer run times and for smaller batteries.

That is where an LED and a new processor are handy. I thought the issue with the HDD was peak usage at boot-up and things like that where the battery gets drained significantly, but you guys tell me.
post #58 of 141
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No the WOW comes when you see the price, $3999.

Not to mention the 1.2GHz processors. I would be surprised if Apple went to all the trouble of leaving out the optical drive and possibly using a larger screen to still compromise on CPU speed. I reckon it will have the same CPUs as the Macbook.

If it has no dedicated graphics then I agree with what was said that it shouldn't be called a pro machine. I'm not saying an ultra-portable needs a good GPU but it does if it's called a pro machine.
post #59 of 141
from what you guys are saying, the $1500 price tag is going to be far to hefty for what little it can probably do. people always pay for smaller less productive/useful items.

oh well...
post #60 of 141
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Those prices are from google products and newegg together. Plus, the Apple product in question is not being released mid 08, but rather Q1.

Apple wouldn't be buying these disks. The NAND parts will be soldered directly onto the motherboard, with a controller. You can go to Digikey.com now and buy 800 SanDisk 8GB NAND chips for a $23 unit cost. Apple would be paying no more than one half that price, potentially much less. So I would estimate that a 64GB flash disk, controller and all, would add no more than $80 to the COGS of the product. . . and that's high-balling it.
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post #61 of 141
someone on Ars mentioned that at .5", there is little room for ports. Perhaps the folding port patent we saw months ago will be used?
post #62 of 141
When Steve first introduced the original Powerbook G4, he made fun of other PC laptop manufacturers who called their laptops thin, but did not even have a built in optical drive. He pointed out that the Powerbook G4 with built in optical drive was thinner than those "thin" PC laptops with no optical drive.

There will be no video iPod.

Intel graphics suck. Now they are an incredible value proposition.

There will be no native applications for the iPhone.
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And the entire GUI of the new "sub-notebook" OS will probably be iTunes.

Will users need an iTunes account and credit card number for the "sub-notebook" to be functional at all?
post #64 of 141
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Apple wouldn't be buying these disks. The NAND parts will be soldered directly onto the motherboard, with a controller.

While I agree Apple would not buy NAND at those prices. Notebooks have a different expectation from iPods. Apple would need to leave a way for the SDD to be easily replaceable.
post #65 of 141
i do not know why there is so much excitement on this .... (i previously owned a 12" PB, that time that was a highend configuration like superdrive and other things which was not available on the PC side, but this is different ball game altogether with macbook 13" has all the feature except dedicated graphics)

apple removed 12" from macbook pro line up and adding it back now ...

i do not see something interesting on this with $1499 price tag and 12" with integrated graphics (assuming) and lower capacity HDD (assuming SSD) ...

they should re-visit MacBook 15"/xMac instead of this white elephant where there is a need (5 to 10% marketshare)?

too much hype ... be prepared to be disappointed ...

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post #66 of 141
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$1500 is a lot better than $3000. I can see the wisdom of sacrificing the optical drive for more expensive SDD storage and lower cost. This price leaves room for 128 GB SDD at $2000.

That Vaio is also .17" thicker than the MacBook Pro. So Apple's ultra-portable will be over half as thin. And weight a lot less.

Less than half as thick?
post #67 of 141
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i do not see something interesting on this with $1499 price tag and 12" with integrated graphics (assuming) and lower capacity HDD (assuming SSD) ...

Even though its slightly larger than the 12" PB. The MBP sub-notebook has two processors each one several times faster than the G4. The Intel GMA X3100 144MB is faster than 64 MB NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5200 used in the last 12". The screen will be brighter with higher resolution. Longer battery life. The case will be thinner and lighter. If Apple uses a 64GB SDD the hard drive will be about the same.
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I fear there won't be much on display from Apple in SF that I'll covet.

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post #69 of 141
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And the entire GUI of the new "sub-notebook" OS will probably be iTunes.

Welp, that kills about half the magic of MWSF for me. With "breaking news" being leaked about the World's Largest iPod and a 3G version of iPhone, I figure about all we'll have left is an announcement of new iPages templates and movie rentals from the iTunes store. Maybe a speed-bumped iMac or two.

...I fear there won't be much on display from Apple in SF that I'll covet.

As long as Jobs keeps the new Mac Pro under wraps, MWSF will rock.

This ultraportable is the "one more thing" not the main event, and is mainly being built for the large number of CEOs that are asking for a signature Mac product. It is also aimed at recovering a large slice of the Japanese market.
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post #70 of 141
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You may be looking at the price from last year. They are not that expensive today. 32GB SDD is about $350, 64GB SDD is around $700. Plus these prices change radically over a short period of time.

By the middle of 2008 these will be even cheaper.

Apple can drop 2 8 GB chips into an upgraded iPhone and make $500 a pop, or put 16 of them into a laptop and make maybe $500 just once. Which do you think they'll do? You have to use these scarce resources carefully.
post #71 of 141
Was just thinking with all speculation leading to a ultraportable, I think we will see apple ship a smaller super drive ie those small half size dvd discs. They have already patented the adapter.. for small dvd to large... if they could manufacture a smaller optical drive in terms of physical size then they could get the form factor of the ultra portable down.. Just a thought...
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Was just thinking with all speculation leading to a ultraportable, I think we will see apple ship a smaller super drive ie those small half size dvd discs. They have already patented the adapter.. for small dvd to large... if they could manufacture a smaller optical drive in terms of physical size then they could get the form factor of the ultra portable down.. Just a thought...

An 8cm optical drive would be silly, how would you put in all your software on 12cm discs? The optics and mechanism wouldn't be any more efficient or cheaper, just smaller for no practical reason.

The best solution for max portability is an external 12cm drive that can be left at home. When it comes down to it, optical drives only absolutely necessary for software installs and media importing, both of which can usually just be done at home.
post #73 of 141
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While I agree Apple would not buy NAND at those prices. Notebooks have a different expectation from iPods. Apple would need to leave a way for the SDD to be easily replaceable.

Not if it's $1500. At this price point it becomes a consumable for traveling business folk. Plus, NAND has a much better life than the HD, due to it's lack of moving parts. Beyond all of this, if the entire unit is indeed as thin as they say, there's no f-ing way that Apple has modularized the system design.

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i do not know why there is so much excitement on this ....
i do not see something interesting on this with $1499 price tag and 12" with integrated graphics (assuming) and lower capacity HDD (assuming SSD)

If it weighs less than a kilo and can run for a long time on a battery charge -- and you can't see what's to like -- then you're thick.
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Hahahahaha Agreed.

And if it is a notebook in fact, you're right. It wont be that thin.

Totally.
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post #75 of 141
If Goldman is right and Apple is coming out with a 12" MBP, maybe it'd look something like my mockup:

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If Apple can get a 3G iPhone built that includes DUN, I'll buy it, until then, the lack of offically supported DUN is a deal breaker for me. AT&T is also an issue, but that's another post...
post #77 of 141
are there any $1500 laptops with flash drive storage that people can point to? Just to see how feasible this is...

Obviously the price of memory will have come down by the time this thing ships but I can't see how Apple could bring something like this to market (in this price range) before any other company.

A 64 or 128Gb ultra-portable for $1500 just seems a little optimistic no?
post #78 of 141
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Beyond all of this, if the entire unit is indeed as thin as they say, there's no f-ing way that Apple has modularized the system design.

There will be a lot of complaining and gnashing of teeth if the memory is permanently soldered to the motherboard. But we shall see.

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A 64 or 128Gb ultra-portable for $1500 just seems a little optimistic no?

It definitely won't be 128. 64 is more realistic and seems like a good place to start. 32 just wouldn't be worth it.
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are there any $1500 laptops with flash drive storage that people can point to? Just to see how feasible this is...

Obviously the price of memory will have come down by the time this thing ships but I can't see how Apple could bring something like this to market (in this price range) before any other company.

A 64 or 128Gb ultra-portable for $1500 just seems a little optimistic no?

Samsung has a new 64Gb NAND chip that uses a new 30nm process. They sell a module version with 8 on a card (= 64GB) that's on 3mm thin. Prices depend on how many can fit on a wafer so this new process will result in much lower cost chips. A module is much less expensive than a packaged unit since there's no metal case. My guess is that Apple will get a nice high volume discount on these new modules, making it possible to offer a 12" MBP for only $1499.

The new ultra-slim MBP could even have dedicated graphics using a new nVidia GPU made just for this sort of portable like the GeForce 8400M GS.
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If it weighs less than a kilo and can run for a long time on a battery charge -- and you can't see what's to like -- then you're thick.

ok, i have to clarify few things here, i am not saying there is NO need for these kinda of product, what i am saying apple removed 12" and bringing it back again ...

unless there is some definite new features which were not in current macbook pro (except 12" screen size) then what is new here? can you call this as a new product and get interested?

i wish apple make my comments wrong (including some new features like tablet form, touch screen and other things)

well, we will see soon

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