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post #1 of 39
1/15/02 at 1:57pm
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Any word on when we can expect version 10.2 or if it will be a free upgrade?
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post #2 of 39
1/15/02 at 1:59pm
[quote]Originally posted by kelib:
<strong>Any word on when we can expect version 10.2 or if it will be a free upgrade?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't think no one really knows, but according to that clock thing, probably spring time. I would bet 10.1.x may be released in the meantime.
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post #3 of 39
1/15/02 at 2:05pm
I'd say March, from the clock analogy. And it'd better be ****ing free!! 10.1 still has major outstanding bugs.
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post #4 of 39
1/15/02 at 2:34pm
Remember, even if it's free, it'll cost you $20.
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post #5 of 39
1/15/02 at 2:52pm
When? Summer. Cost? I don't know.
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post #6 of 39
1/15/02 at 3:23pm
[quote]Originally posted by sizzle chest:
<strong>Remember, even if it's free, it'll cost you $20.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well not if you get the instant update.
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post #7 of 39
1/15/02 at 7:15pm
10.1.3 should be launched in February.

10.2 should be released in the May to July timeframe.

10.1.3 will be minor and be delivered via software update.
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post #8 of 39
1/15/02 at 10:45pm
March is 12 0'clock, why would Apple throw off their own time table? It will be released in March. They are throwing out beta builds almost daily now for 10.2 so I can;t see why it would take 5 months to get a final.

Expect March for 10.2
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post #9 of 39
1/16/02 at 10:10pm
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>They are throwing out beta builds almost daily now for 10.2</strong><hr></blockquote>They are? How do you know?
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post #10 of 39
1/16/02 at 11:01pm
[quote]Originally posted by starfleetX:
<strong>I'd say March, from the clock analogy. And it'd better be ****ing free!! 10.1 still has major outstanding bugs. </strong><hr></blockquote>

At that point OS X will be a year old. Dont count on anymore updates being free. Maybe for people who bought 10.1, but even that is pushing it. I expect regular upgrade pricing... Anything better then that will be gravy....

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post #11 of 39
1/17/02 at 1:19am
[quote]Originally posted by psantora:
<strong>At that point OS X will be a year old. Dont count on anymore updates being free.</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> If that's the case, then I will honestly and truly be disappointed with Apple's software development people. I've excused the beta-quality release of 10.0 and the still incomplete but better 10.1, but neither would have passed quality control if I had anything to do with their releases. Some of the simplest things still haven't been addressed. Apple's been putting the spin 'n polish on some parts while completely forgetting others.

Just ask yourself this:
When did Apple buy NeXT?
When were we promised Rhapsody?
So, how many years has Apple been working os OSX?

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post #12 of 39
1/17/02 at 1:21am
I've heard it won't be out until this Summer. If, like 10.1, it's a virtual rewrite requiring an entire disc to upgrade, it will cost at least $20 to upgrade. My guess it will cost more for those who bought 10.0, less for those that cost 10.l. Those coupons that came with the OS X purchase have to be used at some point.
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post #13 of 39
1/17/02 at 11:29am
If there are major functional changes (and not just a lot of performance enhancements and a few gizmos like spring-loaded folders) they will probably charge existing users $49 for it. I don't think we're going to see the old classic OS tricks where 8, 8.5 and 9.0 were all $99 upgrades. Maybe with 10.5 but not 10.2...

If on the other hand is it merely a bunch of speed improvements, bug fixes and a few gizmos, I doubt Apple will charge much more than the fee for the CD and shipment - maybe $29. I don't think you'll see a downloadable version because Apple has to recoup their development expenses somehow, even if they're only making $10 or $12 a copy.

Obviously if you haven't bought OS X up to that point it will be the usual $129 or whatever it is.

I don't think we'll see the big upgrade price ($99) until the advent of 10.5 or OS XI (or whatever the hell the end up calling it).
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post #14 of 39
1/17/02 at 12:00pm
Apple may also give anybody who buys a new iMac (or any new hardware) a free (shipping and CD cost only) upgrade once 10.2 comes out. I'm not sure about everybody else, but I expect it to be like 10.1 was.
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post #15 of 39
1/21/02 at 9:23am
starfleetX,

You know no matter how far along OS X comes, someone out there will always say "but its still beta quality so therefore the next 40 updates should be free.....".

OS X was first released in March. By next March if you still expect a free update you really are just being silly.
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post #16 of 39
1/24/02 at 8:44pm
I've seen 10.2 6B11 all over Carracho. I don't pirate stuff from there, but was wondering if anyone here has given it a shot.
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post #17 of 39
1/24/02 at 8:58pm
[quote]Originally posted by Xeo:
<strong>They are? How do you know?</strong><hr></blockquote>

RailHeadDesign.com He gets the beta builds and about 2 weeks ago, he said they were flying nightly builds off the server every few days.

Also, March is the 12:00 oclock X analogy. I think Apple will release 10.2 in March and skip the 10.1.3 update. When everyone was expecting 10.1.3 Apple came out and said they were'nt releasing updates so often and they were going to spend more time fixing the bugs then thrwoing uot quick updates. To me that means no 10.1.3 but rather everything will be fixed and addressed in 10.2.
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post #18 of 39
1/24/02 at 9:12pm
[quote]Originally posted by NDPTAL85:
<strong>starfleetX,

You know no matter how far along OS X comes, someone out there will always say "but its still beta quality so therefore the next 40 updates should be free.....".

OS X was first released in March. By next March if you still expect a free update you really are just being silly.</strong><hr></blockquote>


apple is a hardware company. They make there money off Hardware. They make OS X because with out a killer OS no one needs to buy there Hardware. Apple dose not care about making money off OS X. why do you think OS X has no Serial Number? They just charged $129 for it to make a little extra cash but that is not why they spent 10 year righting OS X. To charge $129 for it. They made OS X it to sell Hardware! Apple is way more interested in getting every one using OS X and being happy with it so they can move on and finish the transition to OS X. I would not be surprised at all if apple did not charge for any OS X updates until OS 11.

I would be willing to bet my iBook that apple will not charge for 10.2
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post #19 of 39
1/24/02 at 9:44pm
[quote] Originally Posted By Michaelm8000
They made OS X it to sell Hardware!<hr></blockquote>I partially agree with you Michaelm8000. I think that Apple created OS X to sell hardware, but they also made OS X because they promised us a modern OS and that we were in dire need of a modern OS. Apple could have simply created the Aqua interface and stuck it in OS 9. Apple wants to sell hardware, but Apple's main reason for OS X is becasue of their promise and a dire need of a modern OS. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

[ 01-25-2002: Message edited by: Mac_OS_X_Addict ]</p>
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post #20 of 39
1/25/02 at 1:14am
[quote]Originally posted by Mac_OS_X_Addict:
<strong>I partially agree with you Michaelm8000. I think that Apple created OS X to sell hardware, but they also made OS X because they promised us a modern OS and that we were in dire need of a modern OS. Apple could have simply created the Aqua interface and stuck it in OS 9. Apple wants to sell hardware, but Apple's main reason for OS X is becasue of their promise and a dire need of a modern OS. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

[ 01-25-2002: Message edited by: Mac_OS_X_Addict ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Michaelm8000 is 100% right. I know plenty of people on the internet who bought Macs just because of OS X.
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post #21 of 39
1/25/02 at 9:32am
Yes, they made OS X to sell hardware, but they were in more of a dire need to get a modern OS out there. It is a combination of the two, like I said. They were in a dire need of a modern OS and they created it also to sell more hardware. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
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post #22 of 39
1/25/02 at 9:46am
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
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RailHeadDesign.com He gets the beta builds and about 2 weeks ago, he said they were flying nightly builds off the server every few days.

Also, March is the 12:00 oclock X analogy. I think Apple will release 10.2 in March and skip the 10.1.3 update. When everyone was expecting 10.1.3 Apple came out and said they were'nt releasing updates so often and they were going to spend more time fixing the bugs then thrwoing uot quick updates. To me that means no 10.1.3 but rather everything will be fixed and addressed in 10.2.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I was going to tell you how wrong you are, since Apple released 10.1.3 to developers last night (and haven't released any build of 10.2), but as of today, the 10.1.3 has been removed. I wonder why?
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post #23 of 39
1/25/02 at 10:04am
[quote]I was going to tell you how wrong you are, since Apple released 10.1.3 to developers last night (and haven't released any build of 10.2), but as of today, the 10.1.3 has been removed. I wonder why?<hr></blockquote>maybe its because there's another build to seed. from <a href="http://www.opensource.apple.com/bugs/X/Networking/2847168.html" target="_blank">darwin bugtracker</a>: [quote]I have test this on SUPuma3 (5Q31). The fix is very low risk.<hr></blockquote>he's still wrong

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post #24 of 39
1/25/02 at 12:53pm
[quote]Originally posted by cowerd:
<strong>he's still wrong

[ 01-25-2002: Message edited by: cowerd ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

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post #25 of 39
1/26/02 at 10:57am
[quote]Originally posted by Mac_OS_X_Addict:
<strong>Yes, they made OS X to sell hardware, but they were in more of a dire need to get a modern OS out there. It is a combination of the two, like I said. They were in a dire need of a modern OS and they created it also to sell more hardware. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>


Apple needed a Modern OS for the same reason they need a great Photo Orginzing software, Movie editing software, and MP3 player. To sell hard ware.
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post #26 of 39
1/26/02 at 12:33pm
10.2 will be free, just like 10.1 was. I don't know where people get these ideas about 10.1 costing $20, because I got my 10.1 disk free at ChumpUSA, and then I modified it, burned a new copy, and it was a full 10.1 install disk, for FREE.

I don't think Apple will be charging for new OS X updates anytime soon, because they are acutely aware of the problems with 10.0, and even 10.1. My guess is that Apple sticks with their standard OS nomenclature, with anything up to 10.4 being free, and 10.5 costing. Alternatively, they may jump to 11 and charge for that version. But no way in hell will Apple charge for 10.2, they are not stupid.
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post #27 of 39
1/26/02 at 1:05pm
It will be called 10.5, cost $99 and come out in March.
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post #28 of 39
1/26/02 at 1:12pm
I don't know whether it'll be 10.2 or 10.5, but it had better be free (or $20 for a CD). It's still not complete enough to justify the $129 price tag.
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post #29 of 39
1/26/02 at 2:49pm
I think that 10.2 will be the last *major* update before we have to pay. 10.5 or whatever they call it after Jaugur will cost us a full upgrade. When 10.2 come out, X should be at least up to 9 performance or surpassing it. I hope it does, but who knows. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

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post #30 of 39
1/26/02 at 7:44pm
OS X addict, you called it.

Next update is free, brings OS X to full maturity, as in, feature parity with OS 9, about as fast as OS 9, but of course has all the benefits of Unix: multitasking, stability, and dynamic memory management.

After this update, Apple will begin to add totally new features to OS X, and the OS will come into it's own. Things will finally get exciting, with Apple doing new things with OS X that nobody ever has done with an OS before. Were going to have to pay for the next update.
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post #31 of 39
1/26/02 at 7:48pm
[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
<strong>OS X addict, you called it.

Next update is free, brings OS X to full maturity, as in, feature parity with OS 9, about as fast as OS 9, but of course has all the benefits of Unix: multitasking, stability, and dynamic memory management.
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Sounds about right. Makes sense.
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post #32 of 39
1/27/02 at 11:32am
[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
OS X addict, you called it.

Next update is free, brings OS X to full maturity, as in, feature parity with OS 9, about as fast as OS 9, but of course has all the benefits of Unix: multitasking, stability, and dynamic memory management.

After this update, Apple will begin to add totally new features to OS X, and the OS will come into it's own. Things will finally get exciting, with Apple doing new things with OS X that nobody ever has done with an OS before. Were going to have to pay for the next update. <hr></blockquote>I totally agree with you JD. I think that Apple will do exactly the same upgrade process as they did with 10.1. With 10.5, we may finally see voice recognition come into a bigger play and possibly the inkwell technology that was mentioned a few years ago. With the G5 around the corner, Microsoft better watch what Steve has up his sleeve for future releases of OS X. Vive le Mac OS X v10.5. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

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post #33 of 39
1/27/02 at 5:05pm
My guess is junky's right about this one.
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post #34 of 39
1/28/02 at 5:26pm
[quote]Originally posted by Steve Jobs:
10.2 will come with Sherlock 3 and Improved Dock 2 Technology and cost 200 dollars.

There will also be a new version of CyberDog so an entire new generation of Mac users can wonder what the hell it does and why on earth they'd ever need it.<hr></blockquote>

If they can't get the feature list up much beyond 6.7, they really shouldn't charge extra - if they didn't have such loyal fans, 10.0 would have earned them a class action suit.

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post #35 of 39
1/29/02 at 12:36am
I hope Apple stays with the logical version numbering. I don't think they should jump to 10.5 for any reason. I know they've done it in the past but I think with OS X they should just keep going as they have been. They should go to 10.2 then 10.3 and 10.4 if it gets that high, then jump to 11 when they are ready for the next major OS change.
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post #36 of 39
1/29/02 at 12:41pm
[quote]My guess it will cost more for those who bought 10.0, less for those that cost 10.l.<hr></blockquote>

Those of us who suffered through 10.0 should be getting hazard pay.

[quote]You know no matter how far along OS X comes, someone out there will always say "but its still beta quality so therefore the next 40 updates should be free.....".<hr></blockquote>

Not true. I think all of us will consider Mac OS X complete when feature-wise it is up to par with Mac OS 9.

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2/5/02 at 8:58am
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Depends on what features you're talking about.

Personally, for my needs, 10.1's feature set surpasses 9 handily, say in little things uptime, a robust virtual memory system, full Unixy goodness underneath, a development system I can share/port/interact with the systems at the CS dept...

Now, it may not have all the features that *you* want that 9 had, but that's another story.

'Feature set' is whatever we choose to select as mattering to *us* from the global set... which is a matter of opinion.
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2/6/02 at 2:52am
[quote]Originally posted by Xeo:
<strong>I hope Apple stays with the logical version numbering. I don't think they should jump to 10.5 for any reason.... They should go to 10.2 then 10.3 and 10.4 if it gets that high, then jump to 11 when they are ready for the next major OS change.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I know when we're building websites, sometimes a bit of code will go through revisions 2.3, 2.4 and such before we "release" it.

So the realeased versions might jump from 2.1 to 2.6 to those not building it.
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post #39 of 39
2/10/02 at 2:27pm
[quote]
Originally posted by Steve Jobs:
10.2 will come with Sherlock 3 and Improved Dock 2 Technology and cost 200 dollars.

There will also be a new version of CyberDog so an entire new generation of Mac users can wonder what the hell it does and why on earth they'd ever need it. <hr></blockquote>

Why charge 200 $$$ when the full version only cost 130???
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