Originally Posted by TenoBell
What type of tortured logic is that? Apple has only released sales numbers at the end of the quarter. Because Apple does not make an exception to disprove unsubstantiated rumors said rumors must be true.
Meh... you say 'exception' like its some colossal big deal. There's no law against Apple saying "Hey we did great, here are some numbers" before the third week of January- they already know what the launch numbers are.
It seems very likely that the picture being painted by the unofficial numbers is true- the Euro launch was lackluster. So Apple, who will have to release official numbers eventually anyway, wants to do so against a background of exciting new product releases (MW '08) and carefully controlled spin. Can you blame them?
Sounds like typical corporate strategy, so why the big fuss from you? (I'm
the one who dislikes corporate lying, after all.
). Do you honestly think Apple wouldn't manage its bad news as carefully as the next company, if not more so? This is Steve
, we're talking about, right?
This is a good example of an assumption: a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof.
Ugh. I have zero desire to be part of the picky, anal little dispute you started with Mel over what the exact Wikipedia vs Oxford dictionary definition of a particular word is. It's a more than a bit pissy, so my name's Paul and that's between y'all.
An assumption I feel comfortable in making is that no matter how many iPhones Apple will have sold, no matter how many millions in profit it will have made Apple and their partners, or how it will continue to push Apple's escalating stock. You will still say they should have sold more.
Well, it's been pretty clear to nearly everyone except you that the Euro launch has indeed been lackluster, so I guess I wouldn't put much faith in your track record on assumptions... sorry.
Far as the 'you will still say they should've sold more' part goes... well, duh. Even you yourself admit that Apple would've sold more iPhones if it had had 3G. That's certainly a no-brainer. Where we disagree is how significant that oversight has been in Europe.
But there again, you've heard from many ppl on this board and no doubt from much of the news coverage that no 3G and no MMS *IS* a big deal in Europe, and yet you somehow still want to spin that it doesn't matter so long as Apple sells "enough" iPhones in Europe. Since when is it great to leave money on the table? And now we hear that they didn't do that well, and you want to try to spin that
Honestly Teno, at some point you must be feeling like a member of the Flat Earth Society on this one. My condolences.
Yeah that's true. Jobs has even said as much. Like any business model it has its advantages and disadvantages. The advantage so far as been a cohesive vision for their products. While many other companies products feel like each part of it was made by different departments that don't communicate. The risky part is in Apple committing to a direction that is not met by the consumer. So far they have far more checks in the win column than the loss column.
Yep. The problem is, the iPhone has the potential to be a mighty huge one in the 'loss' column, which is why most reasonable people want them to be respond sooner rather than later to the lackluster Euro launch.
Looking at Apple's history what I'm hoping is that they planned the initial glow of the iPhone would carry sales through the Christmas season. After which software updates and hardware refresh would reenergize sales for the first half of 2008.
It was a good bet in the US, and a poor one in Europe, looks like.
I do agree its time for Apple to bring the promised updated features and apps on the phone. If MW 08 and the SDK come and go without any significant core updates. I agree its foolish and iPhone sales likely will and should suffer.
I too am looking forward to some nice 3rd party apps for the iPhone, plus a lot of the functionality holes hopefully being plugged by a softwar update (MMS, crippled bluetooth, voice-dialing, landscape keyboard outside of Safari).
The problem of course is that some of the shortcomings are only fixable by new hardware, not software- 3G and true GPS, for example. And there's really no guarantee
that Apple will fix what it needs to fix in the next major software update, only hope and some firmly crossed fingers.
But the numbers Apple has been putting up for the past few years clearly show they are growing out from the die hard Mac user base. Just because they don't always do what you think they should does not mean they are necessarily doing the wrong thing.
Sure. But when you have a whole lot of consumers screaming at you "We want THIS, not THAT", and when your launch numbers are underwhelming, heyyyy, maybe its time to wake up and smell the coffee, eh?
Sounds like a plan.