Originally Posted by Frank777
Which is precisely why the proposed time is not for mandatory prayer.
It allows for prayer to take place if wanted, but can simply be used for quiet contemplation with zero repercussions if not used for prayer.
Then why bother? If kids may or may not pray, and if it's not about prayer that requires, you know, supplies, then why botherunless you just want kids to be praying on the state's dime?
I wouldn't worry. The US Government certainly does not act like it is in the business of praying.
Maybe up in Toronto things look different than they do down here. Indeed, as someone who's lived in three of the reddest and most religious states in America, I'd wager pretty mightily that from the liberal enclave of Toronto within the socialist empire of Canada, things might look different.
Yes, it is. And there is nothing wrong with that. Christian parents want their Christian kids to learn to pray to God while in school.
Yeah. That's sort of a problem.
No, wait. That's an enormous problem. If only there were other schools where those parents might send their children....
Non-Christians are not forced to do anything, except exercise tolerance for 15 seconds.
Indeed. Watch this:
Those kids could pretend that they were not being allowed to pray for 15 seconds, and then THEY would be the ones having to exercise tolerance for 15 seconds at, um, not being allowed to think quietly to themselves, because, you know, they most certainly can't think quietly for 15 seconds without there being a state-mandated timer period for that thinking to occur.
So now you're lecturing Christians on what they believe. Nice.
I'm sorry? I'm not allowed to talk about Christianity now? You know, I've never understood why it is that when I get into an argument about this with folks like you, suddenly I'm not allowed to talk about what I know
. Do I need to go get my 5-year pin for not missing any Sunday school when I was a kid? Do I need to provide photographic evidence that I attended church every single Sunday
until I left for college? Do I need to provide evidence that both of my parents are employees of (different) churches? That I used to regularly sing in the choir at Christmas? Do I need to prove to you that I've read my whole Bible and that I own and regularly read multiple translations? Do I need to give you a bibliography of my hobby reading in early church history?
In short: I will talk about what Christians believe whenever I bloody well see fit.
Christians have always set aside time for morning devotions,
Really? Every Christian? Everywhere? Every morning? Hell, most
Please tell me where there is a commandment that says that every day is to begin with a prayer. Just because folks sometimes pray in the mornings and evenings doesn't mean it's doctrine or even expected. It just means that that's when some folks do it. And they could pray at other times if they chose.
and every Christian church and school since the first century that I know of has begun their activities with prayer. It is probably the one unifying signature of all Christian groups.
Awesome! And if schools were churches, that point would mean something.
No one is asking to pray out loud. And no unreasonable burden is being added to schools or teachers. If anything, it makes it easier to start off a class since everyone will quiet down faster out of respect.
Oh come on. You have got to be kidding.