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One thing that I have learned in life is that the future never turns out the way sci-fi movies portray the future. I believe genetic modifications will be brought on like vaccines are now, except not by an archaic injection, and our future generations will not have to go through with it; they'll inherit it genetically.
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Somehow I don't think machines that can't evolve on their own (absent "intelligent interventions") would be considered living organisms, able to procreate and pass on their artificial traits in a true form of natural selection.

You have a point, machine evolution is unlikely (though theoretically possible).

What I meant was that humans would eventually develop various levels of implant/bionic technology, perhaps even going so far as the sci-fi cliche of existing as a brain floating in a tank of nutrients hooked to wires, even further mudding the definition of what is 'human'.

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The scary part is that I believe we are headed towards this. It isn't that difficult to foresee a future where someone discovers a "terrorist" gene and recommends that parents who are susceptible to have that type of child use clinical methods for artificial reproduction. \

edit: Read this too.

Props for mentioning Gattaca, beat me to it!

In regard to the 'terror' gene testing, I am going to be scheduling an appointment at UNC Chapel Hill to have myself tested for a defective gene trait that is now known to bring on the heart problems I am having, since other non-genetic causes don't appear to be a factor in my case. (my blood pressure is 160, non-smoker, non-alcoholic, clear arteries, but there is a family history of sudden cardiac death)

If they do find the gene, it is recommended that my immediate family and children get tested for it as well. Right now it's not 100% proof that one will develop the full problems if you have this gene defect, but it would mean that you'd want to have your heart monitored more closely than others in order to catch any changes early.
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Ugh, nothing infuriates me more than people bringing up that crappy movie in discussions such as this.....
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Ugh, nothing infuriates me more than people bringing up that crappy movie in discussions such as this.....

I couldn't think of any other movie on the subject. It is easy to visualize the social issues if you look past the movie part of it.
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Ugh, nothing infuriates me more than people bringing up that crappy movie in discussions such as this.....



What about this one?

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I couldn't think of any other movie on the subject. It is easy to visualize the social issues if you look past the movie part of it.

Maybe not the greatest in movie terms, but the overall setting/social issues presented are certainly plausible.

When eugenics become a reality, it will (at least initially) be very expensive just like any other new/developing technology, which means only the rich will be able to have it. I can easily see society becoming divided between eugenics and 'regular humans'. Genetically modified people, at least in theory, would be smarter, stronger, etc.
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I can easily see society becoming divided between eugenics and 'regular humans'. Genetically modified people, at least in theory, would be smarter, stronger, etc.

Perhaps in the eugenics 2.0 generation. I don't think I'd want to be gen 1.0.
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When eugenics become a reality, it will (at least initially) be very expensive just like any other new/developing technology, which means only the rich will be able to have it. I can easily see society becoming divided between eugenics and 'regular humans'. Genetically modified people, at least in theory, would be smarter, stronger, etc.

That's assuming we'll still have our current capitalist society with a huge gap between the rich and poor.
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That's assuming we'll still have our current capitalist society with a huge gap between the rich and poor.

It would be good if there was something better, but what other possibility is there?

Communism is all but dead, socialism also has a rich/poor gap (not normally as large, granted). Are you implying that a wealthy person in a socialist country won't have access to better health care than someone totally dependent on the state system?

I think a mix of capitalist/socialist is probably the best overall system. Federalize some highly important and expensive programs such as health care, but retain private ownership of businesses and corporations.

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Perhaps in the eugenics 2.0 generation. I don't think I'd want to be gen 1.0.

Any time genetic medicine/engineering comes up from now on, I'm going to think about the Will Smith version of I Am Legend!!
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What about this one?



Maybe not the greatest in movie terms, but the overall setting/social issues presented are certainly plausible.

When eugenics become a reality, it will (at least initially) be very expensive just like any other new/developing technology, which means only the rich will be able to have it. I can easily see society becoming divided between eugenics and 'regular humans'. Genetically modified people, at least in theory, would be smarter, stronger, etc.

Hey back off! I like Khannnnnnnnn!
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post #90 of 90

Well if you check out the wiki post about mitochondrial eve, you would realize we are at least 200,000 years old.  They don't actually tell us how old, even though they know.  They have to know because they mapped out the entire genome.

 

The only reason I can think of why they are keeping it from us, is that its indicating we are older than earth, and at the risk of looking like idiots or causing a panic, they decided to keep it.

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