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By and large, Atheists are hypocritically avoiding criticizing Islamists while the Islamists work to take away all our rights and freedoms.



What is there to argue here?, you are simply dead wrong about atheists not criticizing islamism.

Actually, atheist's criticism of islamism is much better than the chirstian's because they clearly point to the root of the problem: religion.
post #42 of 118
Are we just not critical enough?
post #43 of 118
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Originally Posted by mojo2 View Post

Let me get this straight, even though the plane is going down you don't care just as long as you don't have to sit by a Christian?

Christianity is not an existential threat to America's Constitutional liberties, freedoms and tolerance.

Islamism is.

So you think the smart thing is to leave Islamism free to do it's thing while you focus on Christians.

Radicals waving the Islam banner are not to be confused with Islam. Muslims are a minority in the US and don't really bother anyone.

Another answer, and one that many will disagree with: Political correctness. Many atheists lean liberal want to be PC and not offend Muslims. Celebrating Islam in the public square is cultural sensitivity while celebrating Christmas in the public square is a violation of separation.
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post #44 of 118
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Originally Posted by mojo2 View Post

Just as we judge the size and importance of an anti-war rally by the media so would we get indications of healthy Atheist opposition to Islamism via the media.

And what do we hear from Atheists?

Christians...blah, blah, blah...Evangelicals...blah, blah, blah...Pat Robertson...blah, blah, blah...fundies...blah, blah, blah...right wing Christian conservatives...blah, blah, blah...

But when it comes to Islamism this is what we hear.

*crickets*

perhaps those with rational judgement in your country realise that the real threat to life and liberty is not from a bunch of disorganised Islamist fuckwits 5000 miles away, but from the organised funded wingnut Xian fuckwits within, hell bent on war, destruction and mind control.
post #45 of 118
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Originally Posted by Flat Stanley View Post

Many atheists lean liberal want to be PC and not offend Muslims. Celebrating Islam in the public square is cultural sensitivity while celebrating Christmas in the public square is a violation of separation.

I do agree some atheists take this attitude and I despise it.
post #46 of 118
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Originally Posted by soulcrusher View Post

What hypocrisy?

Allah is as stupid as Jesus.

The difference is that muslims are not in my backyard trying to take away my rights.

For an atheist in the US, who is a greater threat for his rights and freedoms? Christians or muslims?

Now, if i were an atheist in Saudi Arabia on the other hand...

Ever hear of the term, triage?

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A formal system used to identify, classify, and treat people according to the severity of their condition(s).
www.cmpmhmr.cog.pa.us/glossary.htm

The United States was BORN a VERY religious nation and we have grown less religious with time and now we are, arguably, the least religious we have ever been and Atheists want to squeeze all religion completely out of America. But throughout our existence Christianity has proven to be completely compatible with democracy, freedom and liberty.

Islamism is completely OPPOSED to man made law and it's followers seek to replace our Constitution with Shariah law.

Looking at the situation in terms of triaging this patient called Liberty I'd say that Christianity represents a dietary choice; whether it should or shouldn't be included to attain good health and if it should be included, to what degree.

But Islamism is an aggressive and deadly cancer for which there is no known cure.
post #47 of 118
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Originally Posted by mojo2 View Post

Just as we judge the size and importance of an anti-war rally by the media so would we get indications of healthy Atheist opposition to Islamism via the media.

And what do we hear from Atheists?

Christians...blah, blah, blah...Evangelicals...blah, blah, blah...Pat Robertson...blah, blah, blah...fundies...blah, blah, blah...right wing Christian conservatives...blah, blah, blah...

But when it comes to Islamism this is what we hear.

*crickets*

And there is also the fact, of course, that even though atheists disagree with islamism we also disagree with the christian way of solving the problem.

Thus, you will not see us siding with you in the issue. Why? Because we believe that whatever is wrong with islamism is the same thing that is wrong with you.
post #48 of 118
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Islamism is completely OPPOSED to man made law and it's followers seek to replace our Constitution with Shariah law

How the hell is a disorganised rabble 5000 miles away firing guns into the air on TV going to achieve that?

There is only one possible way they can achieve that - and that is by levering your government to do it for them.

And government being the utter fools they are - what a fucking good job they are making of it.

Well done! its people like you who are embracing 'sharia law' right under your noses, by being scared of thugs on TV.
post #49 of 118
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Originally Posted by mojo2 View Post

But Islamism is an aggressive and deadly cancer for which there is no known cure.

More like

Religion is an aggressive and deadly cancer for which there is no known cure.
post #50 of 118
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Originally Posted by soulcrusher View Post

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What is there to argue here?, you are simply dead wrong about atheists not criticizing islamism.

Actually, atheist's criticism of islamism is much better than the chirstian's because they clearly point to the root of the problem: religion.

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that what you say is true.

Now what?

You see, one of the differences between Christianity and Islamism is that Christians DO care about the opinions of others. Whereas, Islamists care about pleasing Allah.

Your criticisms of Christians bring about a response from Christians.

Your criticisms of Islamism brings a shrug.

What are you doing to help STOP Islamism?

All I see Atheists doing is helping to demoralize and weaken those who are engaged in efforts to prevent the creation of the Caliphate or Imamate.
post #51 of 118
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Tap dance all you wish. Keep your fans entertained. Entertainment is good. It's good except when it distracts from the important task of looking at the facts facing America and the free world.

By and large, Atheists are hypocritically avoiding criticizing Islamists while the Islamists work to take away all our rights and freedoms.



Hyperbole or not, this administration didn't have to lift a finger in taking away ours.
post #52 of 118
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What are you doing to help STOP Islamism?

We are opposing christian fundamentalists and their completely wrong methods of dealing with it.
post #53 of 118
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Originally Posted by Flat Stanley View Post

Radicals waving the Islam banner are not to be confused with Islam. Muslims are a minority in the US and don't really bother anyone.

Another answer, and one that many will disagree with: Political correctness. Many atheists lean liberal want to be PC and not offend Muslims. Celebrating Islam in the public square is cultural sensitivity while celebrating Christmas in the public square is a violation of separation.

I made the distinction earlier in the thread.




The Islamists are committed to a political Islam which mandates Shariah law and ultimately must dominate in every nation on Earth.

Islamism can not co-exist with Democracy.
post #54 of 118
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Originally Posted by mojo2 View Post

The thread title is hardly one designed to do anything but make one think.

... it doesn't apply to practicing atheists here in America!

Does whatever form of Islamism you're taking about exist here in America?

Your questions are always vague, as are your replies, and when your questions/answers aren't vague they are rhetorical.
Every eye fixed itself upon him; with parted lips and bated breath the audience hung upon his words, taking no note of time, rapt in the ghastly fascinations of the tale. NOT!
Every eye fixed itself upon him; with parted lips and bated breath the audience hung upon his words, taking no note of time, rapt in the ghastly fascinations of the tale. NOT!
post #55 of 118
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The Islamists are committed to a political Islam which mandates Shariah law and ultimately must dominate in every nation on Earth.

And if you stop assisting them, they will get absolutely nowhere with this plan, and destroy themselves.
post #56 of 118
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Originally Posted by mojo2 View Post

What are you doing to help STOP Islamism?

Not supporting a government approach that will help spread islamism?

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All I see Atheists doing is helping to demoralize and weaken those who are engaged in efforts to prevent the creation of the Caliphate or Imamate.

That's because those are the wrong efforts.


You are no different than islamists.
post #57 of 118
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Originally Posted by MarcUK View Post

perhaps those with rational judgement in your country realise that the real threat to life and liberty is not from a bunch of disorganised Islamist fuckwits 5000 miles away, but from the organised funded wingnut Xian fuckwits within, hell bent on war, destruction and mind control.

Whether you say these things naively or with your eyes wide open, the facts are these:

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Wolf Blitzer at CNN reminded us a few years ago: "Almost every time U.S. military forces have been called into action to risk their lives and limbs, it's been on behalf of Muslims," to save the Afghanis against the Soviets, to liberate Kuwait from Saddam Hussein, to help Somalis, to help Muslims in Bosnia and then Kosovo and to overthrow the Taliban. To Afghanistan in our current global war on terror, we can add Iraq--and come to the realization that our policies and our military have liberated over 50 million Muslims in just the past five years.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art..._on_earth.html

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Thursday, December 27, 2007
Is It Possible For Islam To Take Over The World?

SOMETIMES I TELL people Islam is a political doctrine and its purpose is to make every country on earth, including this one, follow Shari'a law.

Of course, most people think, "Yeah right. Good luck with that one."

In other words: Okay, so they want to take over the world. So what? It ain't gonna happen, not now, not ever. Completely impossible.

But the truth is, it doesn't matter whether it's possible or not. What matters is that a growing number of already-numerous people hold that as their most important goal. They consider it their holy duty. They consider it their ticket into heaven and the only assurance they can get that they will not burn in the fires of hell for eternity. They are motivated.

So we have one group that says, "Yeah, right," and goes on about their business, watching their sitcoms and buying stuff on eBay. And we have another group that feels strongly that the Almighty has given them a clear mission to take over the world by every means available to them, including recruiting new soldiers, having lots of children, protesting against any criticism of Islam, working to change laws, giving money to organizations that sue people for criticizing Islam, putting political pressure on politicians to alter laws, immigrating to infidel countries to help build an Islamic political presence there, going on web sites and arguing with people who try to criticize Islam, complaining to YouTube (and getting all their Islamic friends to complain to YouTube) about any video that criticizes Islam until YouTube removes the offending video, going to schools in democracies and speaking to the infidel children about how loving and peaceful and wonderful Islam is, reading about nothing else and thinking about nothing else.

Now over a period of time, who will gain more ground: A totally committed group, or the ones watching sitcoms and buying stuff on eBay?

And the more ground they gain politically, the more ground they can gain because they are gaining more political clout. Already in Europe, the politicians are very careful about not offending their Muslim constituents because the Muslims are very organized and politically active, and most of the rest of the voters are lackadaisical and not really paying attention. So Muslims are gaining power quickly in European countries. (Read more about the removal of freedom and Shariatization of Europe.)

The same has begun to happen elsewhere: Canada, the U.S., Australia, Africa, Eastern Europe, and of course India has been dealing with this issue for a very long time.

Remember this when you're talking to someone and you can see them thinking, "Impossible. There is no way the Muslims are going to take over the world."

It doesn't matter if it's impossible. With all that commitment they can make our times very troubled, they can make the fight more difficult, they can take away freedoms one by one, and in fact, they really can take over the world. It is not technically impossible. It doesn't seem likely, but only if you don't know much about what they're already doing, which most people don't (partly because of what they're already doing).

http://citizenwarrior2.blogspot.com/...take-over.html
post #58 of 118
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Originally Posted by soulcrusher View Post

And there is also the fact, of course, that even though atheists disagree with islamism we also disagree with the christian way of solving the problem.

Thus, you will not see us siding with you in the issue. Why? Because we believe that whatever is wrong with islamism is the same thing that is wrong with you.

So, the Atheists' answer to Islamism is to pout? To hold their collective breaths, like petulant children, until they turn blue?

Or more charitably, to withdraw from the cancer of Islamism and do nothing.

Edmund Burke said all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

Isn't this where Atheists could show a doubting world that they are, indeed, good men?
post #59 of 118
tell me, in your wierd scenario, how the hell is a bunch of rabblerousers going to implement sharia law in the US?

I suppose they're going to stow away in Chinese toy and catfood freighters with their assortment of petrol bombs and US flags and take the whitehouse by force.
post #60 of 118
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tell me, in your wierd scenario, how the hell is a bunch of rabblerousers going to implement sharia law in the US?

I suppose they're going to stow away in Chinese toy and catfood freighters with their assortment of petrol bombs and US flags and take the whitehouse by force.

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Originally Posted by MarcUK View Post

How the hell is a disorganised rabble 5000 miles away firing guns into the air on TV going to achieve that?

There is only one possible way they can achieve that - and that is by levering your government to do it for them.

And government being the utter fools they are - what a fucking good job they are making of it.

Well done! its people like you who are embracing 'sharia law' right under your noses, by being scared of thugs on TV.

There are some who say that the US has already lost to Islamism.

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Warning to the West

The following is an email we recieved from a former Muslim:

I was born and raised as Muslim. My name is Abdul Rahman. My whole family is still Muslim. I know the Islamic brain very well. I have lived and breathed with them. I am an insider. I left Islam when I understood Islam is a sick and evil religion. Muslims can fool the gullible West but can’t fool us, the ex-Muslims. On this basis I write the following.

Fighting terrorism is easier than fighting the evil teachings of Islam. These evil teachings are already inside the West. Muslims do not need Osama Bin Laden or Zarqawi to lead them. Their inspiration for violence comes directly from the Quran and from Islamic history. One small independent group of Muslims in the West can create havoc.

Ali Sina, of FaithFreedom.org, thinks he can bring down this 1400 years old religion in his lifetime. Is he dreaming? How can you defeat an enemy who has the following agenda? Also remember that the greatest strength of Muslims is that they do not read any site or books that talk against Islam. Most Muslims do not even read the Quran in their own language.

Who will tell you the truth about Islam? Muslims? Of course not. Muslims can’t even see the evil in Islam. The West? The gullible West has no clue. Then who? Ex-Muslims and ex-Muslims only can expose Islam to the West.

Muslims believe Islam will rule the world, very soon. They are committed to it. The constitution for the new Islamic Republic of EU and USA is under construction. Welcome to the 21st Century Islamic Warfare. To the infidels of the West, Muslims say: We will fight the infidel to death. And they mean it.

Meanwhile, Muslims are able to say with complete confidence:

American laws will protect us.

Democrats and Leftist will support us.

The UNO will legitimize us.

CAIR and MAB will incubate us.

The ACLU will support us.

Western Universities will educate us.

Mosques in the West will shelter us.

OPEC will finance us.

Moderate Muslims will fertilize us.

Hollywood will love us.

Koffi Annan will publish the politically correct sympathetic statements for Jihadists.

We will use your (West) welfare system.

We will take advantage of American kindness, gullibility, and compassion. When time comes, we will stab America in the back as we did on 9/11 and 7/7, the Islamic way. We will say one thing on the camera (Islam is the religion of peace) and teach another thing (Quran 8:12 Terrorize and behead the infidels wherever you find them) to our children at home.

We will teach our children Islamic supremacy from their earliest childhood. We will take over Europe first and then the U.S. will be the next. We already have a solid ground in the UK, Holland, Sweden, Spain, Italy, Germany, and now in the U.S.

Who are we? We are the “sleeper cells” next door.

At the time of the real fight we will hold our own children as our armor – this is the Islamic way. When American or Israeli troops shoot at us the world will be watching. Imagine, just imagine the news in the world: “Death of Muslim babies by infidels”.

We say to the West: Keep your Nukes in your curio cabinets. Keep your aircraft carriers and high-tech weaponry in the showcase. You can't use them against us because of your own higher moral standard. We will take the advantage of your (Western) higher moral standard and use it against you. We won’t hesitate to use our children as suicide bombers against you.

The West manufactures their tanks in the factory. We Muslims will manufacture our military force by natural means — by producing more babies. It is cheaper that way. You infidels cannot defeat us. We are 1.2 billion strong and we will double our population again.

Using the Western legal system we will assert our Sharia Laws, slowly but surely.

Moderate Muslims will say there is no link between Islam and terrorism and the West will believe it because the West is so gullible. Moderate Muslims all over the world will inadvertently incubate Jihadists by defending Islam as a religion of peace, by telling this to their children and the world.

There will be more 9/11s in Europe and in America. We will say, “We do not support terrorism but America got what it deserved.”

We will recite the Quran and say Allah-Hu-Akbar before beheading infidels, as we have been doing it. We will videotape those and send them to infidels to watch. The infidels will surrender — ISLAM means surrender.

Islam is the fastest growing religion among convicts in prison all over the word. 30% of French prison inmates are already converted to Islam.

We will use your (Western) own values of kindness against you. You (the West) are destined to lose.

Must be very depressing for you (the West). Isn’t it?

Allah-Hu-Akbar (as we like to say just before beheading you; it means God is Great).

The rules of war and intelligence-gathering that have evolved over 100 years count on some fundamental laws of humanity. For example there is some Geneva conventions even for the battlefield. For example, even in the battlefield you give enemy a chance to surrender. You do not take random hostages, behead them, videorecord it, and post it on the internet. Generally, a mother will try to save her babies and children — they won’t sacrifice her own babies for her religion. These are basics of morality for the human race and have been for a very long time, even before religions came along.

Modern Islamic warfare did away with all of the above morality. The equation of war has changed. One major mistake the West has made is to believe terrorists need a structural hiarchical power structure to fight an enemy. Islamic teachings prepare Muslims from childhood to act on their own wherever they can — even without the authorization from his/her superiors. No wonder you are seeing so many independent Muslim terrorists all over the world. These are entrepreneur terrorists.

These sleeper cells go beyond national origin, language, race, or citizenship. Terrorists could be British born-and-raised citizens, or American Taliban. There is only one thread that binds them together that is "ISLAM."

My, our (ex-Muslims'), message to the West is until the West identifies, names, and warns the public who the real enemy is, the West won’t have chance to win this war. The real enemy is "Islam." As long as Mr. Bush, Blair, and the other world leaders are afraid to call a spade a spade, and as long as they keep saying in public the blatant lie that “Islam is a religion of peace” — we run the risk losing our freedom.

Our freedom already is curtailed. No major newspapers, magazines, or TV reproduced the Mohammad cartoons in America. They were afraid. So, in effect, 6 million Muslims in America and 1.2 billion Muslims around the globe severely restricted our freedom of expression without officially legislating their Sharia laws that prohibits Mohammad’s caricature. We now have unwritten partial Sharia laws in practice in the USA.

Remember ex-Muslims like me are the insiders. We are exposing Islam to the West so we can enjoy Western freedom. Our websites are: FaithFreedom.org, and ApostatesOfIslam.com.



Qur’an 8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.”

Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”


The author of the above is Abdul Rahman, who goes by an alias to protect himself from Islamic extremists. The Quran is very explicit in its treatment of apostates (people who leave the Muslim faith). The penalty for leaving Islam is death. Once you're in, you're in for good.


http://citizenwarrior2.blogspot.com/
post #61 of 118
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Originally Posted by mojo2 View Post

I made the distinction earlier in the thread.




The Islamists are committed to a political Islam which mandates Shariah law and ultimately must dominate in every nation on Earth.

Islamism can not co-exist with Democracy.

The Muslims that I interact with everyday are much in favor of capitalism and democracy.
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post #62 of 118
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Originally Posted by mojo2 View Post

Whether you say these things naively or with your eyes wide open, the facts are these:

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Wolf Blitzer at CNN reminded us a few years ago:

Agh. You mentioned Wolf Blitzer.


Is it possible to link to something other than a nut-job blogger?
post #63 of 118
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Originally Posted by soulcrusher View Post

Not supporting a government approach that will help spread islamism?



That's because those are the wrong efforts.


You are no different than islamists.

If you bothered to look you would find there are very positive and peaceful US efforts going on around the world to prevent the spread of Islamism. But where force IS being used by the terrorists to advance their agenda force must be used to counter it. But even then the formula is not all violence against violence.

The Surge plan is working in Iraq, for example, because the people of Iraq have come to recognize the truth. And that is that the US is there with a desire to make life better. The terrorists are there to kill and fight and sew discord and destruction and die. The people are choosing life.

If you haven't taken a look at the war in depth lately you don't know the truth.
post #64 of 118
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Originally Posted by @_@ Artman View Post

Agh. You mentioned Wolf Blitzer.



Is it possible to link to something other than a nut-job blogger?

Debate the facts and the contentions if you can, please.
post #65 of 118
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Originally Posted by soulcrusher View Post

Are we just not critical enough?

Or not intelligent enough?

Or not informed enough?

Or prejudiced too much?

Questions, questions....
What is Faith? When your good deed pleases you and your evil deed grieves you, you are a believer. What is Sin? When a thing disturbs the peace of your heart, give it up - Prophet Muhammad
What is Faith? When your good deed pleases you and your evil deed grieves you, you are a believer. What is Sin? When a thing disturbs the peace of your heart, give it up - Prophet Muhammad
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Originally Posted by Flat Stanley View Post

The Muslims that I interact with everyday are much in favor of capitalism and democracy.

And that is why the President said this:

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I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It's practiced freely by many millions of Americans, and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah. (Applause.) The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends; it is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them. (Applause.)

Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated. (Applause.)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0010920-8.html
post #67 of 118
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Originally Posted by mojo2 View Post

Debate the facts and the contentions if you can, please.

Why should I when Brother Finkelstein tears Wolf a new asshole with his?

Blitzer is an AIPAC whore.
post #68 of 118
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Originally Posted by MarcUK View Post

We are opposing christian fundamentalists and their completely wrong methods of dealing with it.

As I said before, do nothing to stop the plane from crashing but fight to be seated in the first class section!
post #69 of 118
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Originally Posted by mojo2 View Post

There are some who say that the US has already lost to Islamism.

Yep, and im one of them.

You lost the moment they persuaded your government to implement the very things they desire.

You lost the moment people like you fell for their scare tactics and became afraid.

There was only one way that religious extremists could take over the world - spring a trap that fools will fall into head first.

Fortunately, us Athiests have realised that you and they are genetically related. So rationally, we stand against the biggest threat here and now, and that is the terrorists within our own governments and churches.

You know, the terrorists that pump out terror warnings a few weeks before elections, and persuade their congregations that an army of Islam is about to invade any day. Those terrorists who use the internet to post fearmongering blogs about the invasion of Islam.

You are a terrorist. You are using, and trying to lever peoples fears to push forth your perverse agenda.
post #70 of 118
Another question; this time for Mr Mojo:

Is 'Islamism Sunni, Shi'i, Sufi, Ahmadiyya or none of these, some other or all of them?'

If it is all of them then is there an 'Islamist conspiracy' to fool everyone that there is division?

If it is one sect then do you see the other sect just lying down and taking it?

For example; if Islamists are Shi'i will the Sunni not fight them? And if they do will they be your allies?

Or if it is Sunni then will the Shi'i not foil their dastardly plan and be your allies in doing so?

Essentially your argument must return to the idea that they are all united . So please explain why they are killing each other....


In your own time......
What is Faith? When your good deed pleases you and your evil deed grieves you, you are a believer. What is Sin? When a thing disturbs the peace of your heart, give it up - Prophet Muhammad
What is Faith? When your good deed pleases you and your evil deed grieves you, you are a believer. What is Sin? When a thing disturbs the peace of your heart, give it up - Prophet Muhammad
post #71 of 118
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Originally Posted by @_@ Artman View Post

Why should I when Brother Finkelstein tears Wolf a new asshole with his?

Blitzer is an AIPAC whore.

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We are, after all, a country that has prevented epidemics, improved the conditions of mankind, and saved other countries. We have fought wars for those who could not defend themselves, we have liberated the immiserated, and we are a city of refuge for foreigners as well.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...IzYzE5OWQzMzQ=
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Why don’t our schools take next week, as Veteran’s Day is celebrated, to start a program where they learn about “Murph” and the other Medal of Honor winners throughout their elementary- and secondary-school careers? Why not invite a veteran in to school next week? Such study would help teach our children history with real-life heroes and, at the same time, it would help repay the debt to those heroes by transmitting their stories unto the next generations. I cannot think of a greater way for young children and young adults to learn history than through the stories that make our history — and these stories deserve to be told and retold.

You have got to be kidding. I'm done here.
post #73 of 118
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Originally Posted by mojo2 View Post

Hyperbole much?

That is the most hilariously ironic thing I've ever read.
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post #74 of 118
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Originally Posted by mojo2 View Post

Debate the facts and the contentions if you can, please.

With the possible exception of that.
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post #75 of 118
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Originally Posted by mojo2 View Post

And that is why the President said this:



http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0010920-8.html

So what is your point?
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post #76 of 118
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Originally Posted by segovius View Post

Another question; this time for Mr Mojo:

Is 'Islamism Sunni, Shi'i, Sufi, Ahmadiyya or none of these, some other or all of them?'

If it is all of them then is there an 'Islamist conspiracy' to fool everyone that there is division?

If it is one sect then do you see the other sect just lying down and taking it?

For example; if Islamists are Shi'i will the Sunni not fight them? And if they do will they be your allies?

Or if it is Sunni then will the Shi'i not foil their dastardly plan and be your allies in doing so?

Essentially your argument must return to the idea that they are all united . So please explain why they are killing each other....


In your own time......

To use a baseball analogy, the teams in the American League battle each other throughout the year and the teams in the National League play each other almost exclusively. And then at the end of the season there are playoffs and finally there is a contest, the World Series, to determine the ultimate champion between the AL champs and the NL champs.

But the answer is that these words:

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"I was ordered to fight all men until they say `There is no god but Allah`"
-- Prophet Muhammad's farewell address March 632

are not ONLY for Salafists or Khomeinists.

They are for all Islamists.

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FP: Can we avoid the Future Jihad? Are we ready for it?

Phares: The Jihadists, Salafists or Khomeinists, are determined to prepare for and implement a Future Jihad, should it be via regimes (Iran, alliance with Syria, Sudan, possible others) or via organizations (al Qaeda, neo-Taliban, Jemaa Islamiya, Mahakem of Somalia, Janjaweed in Darfur, Hizballah, others).

They have been waging campaigns and preparing for future ones, within the Muslim world and inside the West. They have the resources (including oil dividends) and the manpower (through madrassas and other endoctrination tools). When you contemplate this whole global and gigantic apparatus you ask yourself: can you avoid the Jihad of the future and how?

Answers aren't easy, especially in view of the fact that Western governments (including the US) who have the resources, lack the will of strategic resistance. And within the East (Arab Muslim world), dissident and anti-Jihadist forces have the will, but lack the resources

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So what is your point?

Law abiding Muslims in America have nothing to fear.

And you can thank President Bush for that.
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This is so whack
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Law abiding Muslims in America have nothing to fear.

And you can thank President Bush for that.

but you seem to think we should fear the Muslims in our country? They want to put our woman in burkas and make us grow beards and unibrows?
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Yep, and im one of them.

You lost the moment they persuaded your government to implement the very things they desire.

You lost the moment people like you fell for their scare tactics and became afraid.

There was only one way that religious extremists could take over the world - spring a trap that fools will fall into head first.

Fortunately, us Athiests have realised that you and they are genetically related. So rationally, we stand against the biggest threat here and now, and that is the terrorists within our own governments and churches.

You know, the terrorists that pump out terror warnings a few weeks before elections, and persuade their congregations that an army of Islam is about to invade any day. Those terrorists who use the internet to post fearmongering blogs about the invasion of Islam.

You are a terrorist. You are using, and trying to lever peoples fears to push forth your perverse agenda.

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Phares: Today's Jihadism uses history and theology as roots for their mobilization and action, but the Jihadists have developed plans as of the 1980s and 1990s which have been taking shape in the Middle East and within the West before and after 9/11.

The West was misled by its own elites in reading and understanding the threat. Hence, I argue in my book Future Jihad, that they have at least one decade lead ahead of the West, if not more.

On 9/11, most Americans didn't understand that they were attacked in a War waged against them as of the 1990s. Since 2001, the Government has been attempting to catch up with the Jihadist penetration of the country, albeit with limited successes. The infiltration of the system is deep and wide for any federal government to address without a full fledge public awareness. And this is where the battle is today: the ability of Americans to understand the threat and to support policies that can win the conflict.

You can see clearly that the Jihadists have been able to affect this understanding through their past and current successful campaigns to mollify the national analysis in America. As for Europe, the battle is much harsher and the stakes are much higher: European governments are under tremendous pressures by the oil producing regimes in the Arab and Muslim world on the one hand and a European network of Jihadist cadres.

In short, today's Jihadism has been planned and waged as of the 1990s at the least. Tomorrow's "Jihad" though, is been planned and launched today. The level of infiltration by al Qaeda and the neo-Wahabis within US and Western systems, for example, will be seen years from now.

The 9/11 design will be topped and bypassed by today's Jihadi strategic planners. I invite readers and analysts to look hard at the cases of terror arrests within the West, but also in the greater Middle East. Those planning strikes of aggression in the US, Canada, the UK and other countries in Europe, are what we call "home-grown," but with an ideology which is Jihadi in nature.

Future Jihadism will be native and lethal, if not addressed quickly by the international society in general and America's leadership in particular. Future terrorists will be citizens, protected by laws, and attempting to create domestic crisis, while the Mohammed Atta and Ziad Jarrah of the world were "aliens" who had been simply successful in infiltrating the security system.

FP: What are some of the predictions you made that have come true?

Phares: Let me mention a few:

[1] Penetration of the system: Jihadists will be trying to penetrate the U.S. system: Multiple cases have shown that they have attempted to infiltrate the U.S. military, intelligence and other agencies. In the chapter "Mutant Jihad," I predicted the rise of the so-called second generation (homegrown) Jihadists in America and the West. The capture of these cells have shown that most members were citizens, born in the country and speaking the language, etc.

http://www.futurejihad.com/index.php...d=138&Itemid=1

Maybe you are right. The Jihadists have already infected our government as well as the British and Europeans governments and the Jihadists are making us crazy.
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