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Apple TV Unity "Confirmed" by MOSR

post #1 of 24
1/6/08 at 10:53am
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Just for interest, MOSR posted this blurb on the front page of their site.

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Rumors has confirmed that a new, larger AppleTV flagship model will be added to the lineup along with two enhanced versions of the existing AppleTV devices -- all sporting larger hard drives. The new "AppleTV Unity" as it is sometimes referred to at Infinite Loop, will include a faster Intel CPU, enhanced media decoding DSP chipset, more RAM, an optical drive and numerous other improvements over the "standard" models. Details to follow: including hot dirt on whether the new AppleTV Optical Drive will support HD-DVD, Blu-Ray, or both (?!).....stay tuned!

I hadn't heard of this particular iteration of the rumor, and MOSR says it was only updated week of Jan. 1, so I don't know know how new this one is, but I didn't see it on here yet.

It sounds nice, and another product I'd like to have! \

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post #2 of 24
1/6/08 at 12:17pm
Well if it's on MOSR...
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post #3 of 24
1/6/08 at 1:12pm
It's not going to be a HD-DVD drive, that much is pretty certain. And a Blu-ray drive will be way too pricey. No, I think it's going to be a standard DVD player.

And the name, if they keep the other models around? Will be something like; Apple TV Extreme, or Apple TV Pro. I hate to say I told you guys, but either way the Apple TV is getting an optical slot-load DVD drive, well at least one of them is.

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post #4 of 24
1/6/08 at 3:25pm
Apple will not name a new ATV the Apple TV Pro. The Apple TV is really nothing that a pro would remotely need for their work. Extreme sounds more like it. Oh, and Blu-Ray/HD-DVD could be a BTO option.

The way it is now, ATV needs to have some MAJOR,MAJOR improvements, or be scrapped. It's vertually useless at this point.
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post #5 of 24
1/6/08 at 7:08pm
I've heard rumors of a beefy Apple TV 2.0 with a built-in Blu-ray drive, all for $399. That, along with a movie rental service, would sell like hotcakes.
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post #6 of 24
1/6/08 at 7:39pm
Rule # 1 - Never, NEVER give MOSR any hits!
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post #7 of 24
1/7/08 at 2:18am
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Rule # 1 - Never, NEVER give MOSR any hits!

I kinda did... But only because I wanted to see with my own eyes that it still existed! I actually thought they died out a year ago...
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post #8 of 24
1/7/08 at 3:36am
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I kinda did... But only because I wanted to see with my own eyes that it still existed! I actually thought they died out a year ago...

MOSR, surprisingly enough, is still there flooding the world of Macintosh with BS. It was not more than one or two times during last year that I was there to check the site. Since the silly dodecaedron rumor I lost any idea I eventually had about them (or him ).
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post #9 of 24
1/7/08 at 3:42am
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MOSR, surprisingly enough, is still there flooding the world of Macintosh with BS. It was not more than one or two times during last year that I was there to check the site. Since the silly dodecaedron rumor I lost any idea I eventually had about them (or him ).

I really liked MOSR more than five years ago, when sanity was still around.. But now.. Oh boy.. Talk about banner hit spamming.. O_o
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post #10 of 24
1/7/08 at 5:23am
Sounds good to me. Move my current AppleTV up to my bedroom, new one with Blu-Ray and 5.1 for my living room.
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post #11 of 24
1/7/08 at 6:21am
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Originally Posted by Joe O View Post

Just for interest, MOSR posted this blurb on the front page of their site.

It sounds nice, and another product I'd like to have! \

Er... don't you know that MOSR just makes-up everything they post? They haven't had any real inside-info for nearly a decade now.


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RThe new "AppleTV Unity" as it is sometimes referred to at Infinite Loop, will include a faster Intel CPU, enhanced media decoding DSP chipset, more RAM, an optical drive and numerous other improvements over the "standard" models.

An "enhanced media decoding chipset" is completely unnecessary, the combination of CPU and GPU can decode everything already, it's just that Apple have only implemented a small number of codecs for the AppleTV architecture.
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post #12 of 24
1/7/08 at 7:09am
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It's not going to be a HD-DVD drive, that much is pretty certain. And a Blu-ray drive will be way too pricey. No, I think it's going to be a standard DVD player.

And the name, if they keep the other models around? Will be something like; Apple TV Extreme, or Apple TV Pro. I hate to say I told you guys, but either way the Apple TV is getting an optical slot-load DVD drive, well at least one of them is.

Trust you to believe a site reviled for its BS just because it suits your ramblings about the ATV.

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The way it is now, ATV needs to have some MAJOR,MAJOR improvements, or be scrapped. It's vertually useless at this point.

While I agree an update would be cool, AppleTV is NOT "virtually usless" since I moved mine in to the main living room/kitchen it has seen hours and hours of use, doing a search on youtube for comedy will while away an evening easily, all new content, plus I've averaged 2 films an evening easily for the last 2 weeks with plenty more to go. It's a great little box as far as I'm concerned.
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post #13 of 24
1/7/08 at 7:52am
It's MOSR people. does anyone remember where they get their rumors? Kormac77's ass. -> I'm making plastics now...
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post #14 of 24
1/7/08 at 8:37am
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Rule # 1 - Never, NEVER give MOSR any hits!



I was just thinking about that. They are the worst and most unreliable rumor site. If you are looking for a good laugh, read MOSR.
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post #15 of 24
1/7/08 at 8:47am
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Sounds good to me. Move my current AppleTV up to my bedroom, new one with Blu-Ray and 5.1 for my living room.

Yep. That's almost certainly what I'll do as well.

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post #16 of 24
1/7/08 at 8:48am
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Er... don't you know that MOSR just makes-up everything they post? They haven't had any real inside-info for nearly a decade now.

Like posts here are based on facts gleamed from secret contacts. At the very least they stick with their site, you gotta give them credit for that.
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An "enhanced media decoding chipset" is completely unnecessary, the combination of CPU and GPU can decode everything already, it's just that Apple have only implemented a small number of codecs for the AppleTV architecture.

Actually this is not true at all. There are many demonstrated cases where modern CPU's can not decode he latest video bit streams in real time. Further Apple TV will likely never use a modern CPU, at least in base models nor a modern GPU.

The other thing that a dedicated chip provides is reduced power consumption.

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post #17 of 24
1/7/08 at 10:20am
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Originally Posted by Walter Slocombe View Post

...doing a search on youtube for comedy will while away an evening easily, all new content, plus I've averaged 2 films an evening easily for the last 2 weeks...

Oh man!... you really need to get out of the house!!! .... there's a whole world of REAL people doing REAL things out there!! You should join in!
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post #18 of 24
1/7/08 at 11:50am
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Oh man!... you really need to get out of the house!!! .... there's a whole world of REAL people doing REAL things out there!! You should join in!

It's too frickin cold here at the moment, but nice judgement, totally wrong tho'
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post #19 of 24
1/7/08 at 11:52am
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Oh man!... you really need to get out of the house!!! .... there's a whole world of REAL people doing REAL things out there!! You should join in!

lol

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post #20 of 24
1/7/08 at 12:14pm
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Like posts here are based on facts gleamed from secret contacts. At the very least they stick with their site, you gotta give them credit for that.

When you say "posts here", are you talking about the forum or the AppleInsider front page? If you are talking about the front page, AppleInsider has a much better track record than MOSR; if you're talking about the forum, you are comparing Apples and Oranges.


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Actually this is not true at all. There are many demonstrated cases where modern CPU's can not decode he latest video bit streams in real time. Further Apple TV will likely never use a modern CPU, at least in base models nor a modern GPU.

You will note that I said "CPU and GPU". The AppleTV has a Nvidia Geforce Go 7300, which has dedicated hardware to assist in the decoding of VC-1, MPEG2 and MPEG4 part 10. This is dedicated circuitry in addition to pixel processing units and shaders and what not. A "faster" GPU would be no faster at decoding the aforementioned codecs since the parts of the GPU used for 3-D do not help in the decoding.

The AppleTV would only need a moderately faster CPU and it would be able to decode Main Profile 1080p MPEG4 part 10 quite happily.

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The other thing that a dedicated chip provides is reduced power consumption.

I'll give you that one.

I suppose I could modify what I said slightly in that the combination of a faster CPU and GPU and dedicated codec DSP is unnecessary. Either a faster CPU is required, or a dedicated DSP, but not both (for happy 1080p decoding).
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post #21 of 24
1/7/08 at 12:40pm
If Apple TV had some sort of DVD player (either blu-ray or standard), I should think it would have to have some sort of LCD display for time and track information. As well as some hard buttons for when the remote gets lost or the battery dies or some nonsense like that. Also, how do you deal with things like subtitles, dvd navigation, etc? You would need either a really good software interface to work with the current remote or a new remote with more functions.
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post #22 of 24
1/7/08 at 1:50pm
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It's too frickin cold here at the moment, but nice judgement, totally wrong tho'

Note the smileys... I was just yankin' your chain. To be honest, I would kill for that kind of "free time" ... but if my TV is on in the eveing it's likely got a Disney movie, or Disney TV, or Animal Planet, or MythBusters... kids tend to monopolize the entertainment around here (and leave very little free time for the adults )
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post #23 of 24
1/7/08 at 8:16pm
100% sure it will not have a hd-dvd drive. #1 apple is in the blu-ray camp and #2 hddvd is DEAD rumors have paramount using there get out of contract clause following warners departure.
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post #24 of 24
1/7/08 at 10:03pm
I'd love to see some major improvements over the current model. My guess is that there are some people at Apple working hard to improve it. They wouldn't design it and then close up shop on development.
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