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And you're still blowing hot air...

You should grow up.

If you only bothered me, your comments might have just a little bit of meaning, but you're a loser with everyone.

I suppose this means you'll target me more often.

Ok, have fun.
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vc1 (mpeg-4)

VC-1 is not MPEG-4. It's a slightly less complex codec based on WMV3 aka Windows Media Video 9 (for reasons best know to Microsoft). In Advanced-Profile form it's pretty much as good as High-Profile H.264.

The important thing is that both Advanced-Profile VC-1 and High-Profile H.264 kick the crap out of MPEG-2 efficiency wise and Apple support neither the creation nor the play-back of these codecs.
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post #123 of 253
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You should grow up.

To be a cranky old man, who's full of s*it half the time?

Naw.
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To be a cranky old man, who's full of s*it half the time?

Naw.

Everyone always says you areall of the time.
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So people should spend $2850 for the Quadro FX5600 when two Geforce 8800's running SLI would cost less and outperform the single Quadro?

• ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT with 256MB of GDDR3 memory and two dual-link DVI ports
• NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT with 512MB of GDDR3 memory and two dual-link DVI ports
• NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600 with 1.5GB of GDDR3 memory, two dual-link DVI ports, and one stereo 3D port

It doesn't work that way. First the Quadro has 3x the RAM as the 8800 and a 0.8Ghz CPU. Secondly, the stereo 3D is in a class of its own. These are for specialized fields. The price listed is very reasonable when you compare to Dell's offering of this same card.

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Wilco, you're back with the dumb comments again?

Great! Now that you've responded he's going to hang around here all day.
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post #126 of 253
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Everyone always says you areall of the time.

melgross, why do you feed him?

Ignore him and move on. Please.
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post #127 of 253
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ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT with 256MB of GDDR3 memory and two dual-link DVI ports
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT with 512MB of GDDR3 memory and two dual-link DVI ports
NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600 with 1.5GB of GDDR3 memory, two dual-link DVI ports, and one stereo 3D port

It doesn't work that way. First the Quadro has 3x the RAM as the 8800 and a 0.8Ghz CPU. Secondly, the stereo 3D is in a class of its own. These are for specialized fields. The price used to be more than reasonable as Dell offering for the 5600 was substantially more than Apple's.


Great! Now that you've responded he's going to hang around here all day.

Sorry, you're right.
post #128 of 253
Anyone got any ideas on why there is a 3 - 5 week shipping delay?

Intel claims to have shipped almost of million of these xeons already and I would have thought that Apple would have these systems manufactured and stockpiled for this announcement.

Thoughts?
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post #129 of 253
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melgross, why do you feed him?

Ignore him and move on. Please.

Yeah, you're right too.

I'm tired today, he just rubbed me the wrong way.
post #130 of 253
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Everyone always says you areall of the time.

It is quite presumptuous of you to speak for everyone.
I think it is OK for this forum to contain different types
of observations, including your thousands of references
to your glory days as well as wilco's reaction to them.
post #131 of 253
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Anyone got any ideas on why there is a 3 - 5 week shipping delay?

Intel claims to have shipped almost of million of these xeons already and I would have thought that Apple would have these systems manufactured and stockpiled for this announcement.

Thoughts?

Good question. I think that there has been talk that Intel moved these chips to the end of the month.
post #132 of 253
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It is quite presumptuous of you to speak for everyone.
I think it is OK for this forum to contain different types
of observations, including your thousands of references
to your glory days as well as wilco's reaction to them.

Find one positive comment about Wilco's jibes.

I use references to my past careers to give some info on topics I'm familiar with.
post #133 of 253
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Anyone got any ideas on why there is a 3 - 5 week shipping delay?

Intel claims to have shipped almost of million of these xeons already and I would have thought that Apple would have these systems manufactured and stockpiled for this announcement.

Thoughts?

It's because of the 8800 GT card. Select something else and you'll be back down to a week or less. That got me too.
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Absolutely awesome, but I'll wait for NAB to see if Blu-ray and a new version of DVD Studio Pro shows up.

Could be that the 'new AppleTV' will include built-in authoring/BD burner to facilitate HD movie purchases.

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post #135 of 253
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Everyone always says you areall of the time.

Dude...ignore him. This isn't Usenet fer crissake.
post #136 of 253
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Find one positive comment about Wilco's jibes.

I use references to my past careers to give some info on topics I'm familiar with.

Rather than expend time searching past posts, I will make a positive comment
now myself: Anyone who deflates someone with delusions of omniscience is
OK in my book. Besides, are only popular posts allowed here?

Regarding your nostalgia, you ought to check yourself for a little
self-aggrandizement.
post #137 of 253
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BD has mostly been using MPEG-2.

I've seen a decent mix, maybe 40% MPEG-2 , 40% AVC & 20% VC-1. Maybe I've watched fifty BDs through Netflix over the past seven months.

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That is my entire collection cept for 3:10 to yuma which hasn't shipped yet and is most definitely mpeg4. I have only seen the very early blu-ray be mpeg2 which was when hd-dvd was kicking it's ass in PQ.

MPEG-2 isn't bad though, it just takes a higher bit rate. Even at equivalent bitrates used in HD movie discs, it's not that easy to pick out the differences. It's just a smear campaign that tries to say that it's not any good. The problem with some of the earlier ones was a bad transfer. The codec can't fix up a bad source. For all the movies I've watched, MPEG-2 BDs have been as good as those made using AVC and VC-1. I can't even guess the codec right before looking, all three do a very good job.

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Point being... apple needs a blu-ray player........ sooner than later.

I would like one. I don't want to have to fire up my projector for every movie.
post #138 of 253
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It's because of the 8800 GT card. Select something else and you'll be back down to a week or less. That got me too.

Interesting, I guess there is a hold-up on getting these cards out the door?

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Rather than expend time searching past posts, I will make a positive comment
now myself: Anyone who deflates someone with delusions of omniscience is
OK in my book. Besides, are only popular posts allowed here?

Regarding your nostalgia, you ought to check yourself for a little
self-aggrandizement.

I have no problem with someone challenging another person's opinions, but it is a waste of time to respond to personal attacks that do not dispute any facts.

If Wilco and Melgross want to insult each ad nauseum, they can do so in their own thread or via PMs, iChat or whatever.

If Wilco wants to contribute something useful to this thread I would welcome it, whether or not it agrees with points made by melgross. However, so far I have only seen personal attacks; hence, my request that we not feed this any more.
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post #139 of 253
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One configuration for CPUs. IE 1 out of 4 configurations is only single CPU vs dual CPU. IE quad vs octo.

So why would they change the motherboard for 1 of the 4 CPU configurations? Seems like a waste. Why not just not put one of the CPUs in?

It can be the same board but don't solder in the second socket. I hope not, I hope it has a socket. A quad would do me fine, and two or three years from now, I can buy a second CPU.
post #140 of 253
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Rather than expend time searching past posts, I will make a positive comment
now myself: Anyone who deflates someone with delusions of omniscience is
OK in my book. Besides, are only popular posts allowed here?

Regarding your nostalgia, you ought to check yourself for a little
self-aggrandizement.

You seem to have a bit of difficulty with yourself. Don't be bitter. I'm not responsible for your problems.
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If Wilco wants to contribute something useful to this thread I would welcome it, whether or not it agrees with points made by melgross. However, so far I have only seen personal attacks; hence, my request that we not feed this any more.

Oh no, you're right. I don't really want to respond to him, and now to Quinney, it seems.

But, some people come here and just sideswipe you without contributing anything of their own to the discussion. It's really very annoying.
post #142 of 253
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Originally Posted by quinney View Post

Rather than expend time searching past posts, I will make a positive comment
now myself: Anyone who deflates someone with delusions of omniscience is
OK in my book. Besides, are only popular posts allowed here?

Regarding your nostalgia, you ought to check yourself for a little
self-aggrandizement.

That's not really a good positive though, that's three negative things to make up your positive.

I know it's not about popularity, but the likes of wilco are deliberately and excessively brash. I can't say that I agree with Mel that much, and I really can't back up his history, but the anti-Mel crowd do seem to be quite a bit more abrasive and antagonistic than Mel himself. I'm not referring to you, but if person A can't disagree with person B without being four times the ass in doing so, then the bigger problem is person A, not person B.
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I wouldn't say no one. I'd imagine a lot of people interested in the mac pro (modeling professionals) would enjoy Crossfire / SLI. Pixar? Even though Jobs doesn't own them any more, I'd imagine they still use Macs.

He still owns a lot of Disney. I don't know how Pixar operates, but as odd as it sounds, it seems like they rely more on talent than they do on technology.

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is everyone happy with this? no redesign of case?

I think the case is fine. It's not a consumer device. I don't think the handles are very good in practice though, but taking them away would take away the character.
post #144 of 253
Most of the time, there are shipping delays when Apple releases a product. Rarely is the new product available to ship immediately after introduction. When the new iMacs came out and were in the stores the same day I almost sh** myself.

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Anyone got any ideas on why there is a 3 - 5 week shipping delay?

Intel claims to have shipped almost of million of these xeons already and I would have thought that Apple would have these systems manufactured and stockpiled for this announcement.

Thoughts?
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Ahead of next week's Macworld conference, Apple on Tuesday introduced the new Mac Pro with eight processor cores and a new system architecture that delivers up to twice the performance of its predecessor.

And not to be outdone, the competition is… http://macdailynews.com/index.php/we...omments/15989/
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I'm unimpressed. Not by Apple but by Penryn. When you look at official benchmarks , in 3D and video apps , 3.2Ghz Penryn is only 10% faster than previous 3.0Ghz 8core. So if you take into account 200Mhz extra Penryn is sporting , clock for clock it's probably exactly same performace. (i'm not talking about performace per watt or per $$$)

Uhm, for the extra 200Mhz in RAW Horse Power, 10% faster is pretty damn good, considering that the Official Benchmark probably doesn't fully realize or understand the improvements to SSE4. This was discussed and mentioned by Intel at the CES show. They said that most would not see a drastic increases in speed, until developers made use of the improvements in SSE4. ie: Improvements to media related products to fully be optimized to the hardware.

So, it is okay to be UNIMPRESSED if a one doesn't know or understand what is really happening to Penryn based systems. SSE4 is not as ubiquitous or even obvious to the end user at the present time. But, as the updates start to come in, it will become more impressive.
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And not to be outdone, the competition is http://macdailynews.com/index.php/we...omments/15989/

MDN is a hoot.
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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1 View Post

Most of the time, there are shipping delays when Apple releases a product. Rarely is the new product available to ship immediately after introduction. When the new iMacs came out and were in the stores the same day I almost sh** myself.

More often that not, Apple products are available in the stores and online the day they are announced. At least in the standard configuration.


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And not to be outdone, the competition is http://macdailynews.com/index.php/we...omments/15989/

I tried to price a Dell with these Harpertown Xeons. I couldn't find any on their website.
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post #149 of 253
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Uhm, for the extra 200Mhz in RAW Horse Power, 10% faster is pretty damn good, considering that the Official Benchmark probably doesn't fully realize or understand the improvements to SSE4. This was discussed and mentioned by Intel at the CES show. They said that most would not see a drastic increases in speed, until developers made use of the improvements in SSE4. ie: Improvements to media related products to fully be optimized to the hardware.

So, it is okay to be UNIMPRESSED if a one doesn't know or understand what is really happening to Penryn based systems. SSE4 is not as ubiquitous or even obvious to the end user at the present time. But, as the updates start to come in, it will become more impressive.

By the time SS4 makes it into big apps ( 3D apps , Adobe apps ) we'll be using Nehalem.
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but does anyone know the 8800GT will be available for 'last gen' MPs? I know that the 8800GT in these new MPs use PCI-e 2.0 but every single 8800GT in the Windows world will operate in 1.x mode too so I can't see there being a problem. Just wondered as I can't spot it on the store. Thanks.
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By the time SS4 makes it into big apps ( 3D apps , Adobe apps ) we'll be using Nehalem.

But it does add nice room for future improvement. The machine is good now, and you'll get a decent boost with the next update of some programs.

The instruction set has to be available for a while before it can get widely used.
post #152 of 253
• Any chance 10.5.2 will utilize SEE4?

• Did Apple release these updated Mac Pros today to allow room for new innovations at MacWorld and/or to steal some thunder from CES these week?
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post #153 of 253
Okay... mine's been ordered. 3-5 weeks shipping time, however.

I usually like treating myself with the top of the line, but I "settled for" a mere 8x2.8GHz -- this is way more overkill power than I need anyway. I couldn't rationalize away another $1600 to go all the way up to 3.2GHz.

And no way I'm paying Apple's premium for RAM. Anyone know who's selling the right RAM for one of these puppies? I just checked crucial.com, but they don't have the right stuff (800MHz DDR2 FB-DIMM) yet.
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Any chance 10.5.2 will utilize SEE4?

All the rumours say "yes".
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post #155 of 253
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• ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT with 256MB of GDDR3 memory and two dual-link DVI ports
• NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT with 512MB of GDDR3 memory and two dual-link DVI ports
• NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600 with 1.5GB of GDDR3 memory, two dual-link DVI ports, and one stereo 3D port

It doesn't work that way. First the Quadro has 3x the RAM as the 8800 and a 0.8Ghz CPU. Secondly, the stereo 3D is in a class of its own. These are for specialized fields. The price listed is very reasonable when you compare to Dell's offering of this same card.

Newegg has a Geforce 8800 Ultra 768 MB card for $800. If stereo 3D capability is not needed, then two of these cards running SLI would provide similar if not greater performance than a single $2850 Quadro FX 5600.

And if a single Quadro FX 5600 is so good, then two of them would be even better. The Quadro FX 5600 supports SLI. But not on Macs, so it would seem.
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And no way I'm paying Apple's premium for RAM. Anyone know who's selling the right RAM for one of these puppies? I just checked crucial.com, but they don't have the right stuff (800MHz DDR2 FB-DIMM) yet.

This won't work?
http://www.crucial.com/store/partspe...E=CT12872AA800
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Newegg has a Geforce 8800 Ultra 768 MB card for $800. If stereo 3D capability is not needed, then two of these cards running SLI would provide similar if not greater performance than a single $2850 Quadro FX 5600.

And if a single Quadro FX 5600 is so good, then two of them would be even better. The Quadro FX 5600 also supports SLI. At least on PC's that are not Macs.

The point is that that card have 3D stereo capabilities. Unless you need that feature there is no reason to even consider that card.
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This won't work?
http://www.crucial.com/store/partspe...E=CT12872AA800

That's not an FB-DIMM. If it were, it doesn't have the heat sinks needed to work well in a Mac Pro.
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That's not an FB-DIMM. If it were, it doesn't have the heat sinks needed to work well in a Mac Pro.

I saw ECC. I thought ECC and Full Buffered were the same thing.

...off to Wikipedia I go.
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I saw ECC. I thought ECC and Full Buffered were the same thing.

...off to Wikipedia I go.

ECC and buffering are different. The specs say it is ECC and unbuffered. FB-DIMM does both, though FB is a different kind of buffering than is usually used on memory.
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