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If some product that Apple decides to call the "Power Mac G5" is announced at MSWF '02 (*cough*Apollo), the more interesting question (to me, at least) is this: will there be a new case? Or will Apple wait for "the real G5" (renamed G6?) to change cases? You know there have to be 50 different drawings of an El Capitain replacements in Apple's design studios. How long before one is tapped as the real replacement?

*If* we get a "G5" at MSWF, will we get a new case? Opinions? Actual information? <gasp!>

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post #3 of 105
If there's a G5, there will also be a new case. I refuse to believe Apple would in any way sacrifice attention being drawn to this monumental development.

The issue is if a G5 is introduced. I'm inclined to doubt it.

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post #4 of 105
The G4 didn't have a new case.

The only reason I suspect the G5 may have a new case is out of neccesity. It probably is a bitch to cool, and so would need a different case...but then I'm no engineer so who knows?

I hope they don't **** it up. The current case is the best tower case ever, except for not having an extra expandable drive bay. Add an extra bay to the new case, keep the side-open door, and it will be a sweet case indeed.

But somehow I can see Apple screwing up the case for some gimmicky new look. I sure hope they don't.
post #5 of 105
For once, I actually agree with JD. :eek:

I too, however, doubt the G5 will surface at MWSF. Even Apple isn't so dumb as to rename the Apollo the "G5"... or so I'd hope.
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[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
<strong>The G4 didn't have a new case.
</strong><hr></blockquote>


Um, it may have been the same shape but I do think if you set the G3 next to the G4 you'd say, "that's a new case"

The G3 was white & blue
the G4 was silver and graphite
the G4 QS is silver and lt grey
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[quote]do think if you set the G3 next to the G4 you'd say, "that's a new case" <hr></blockquote>

No, I'd say "hey look they changed the color scheme!"

How about they make the new case look like a Firewire orange peripheral type thingy? So it's sort of a Biohazard orange with bad-ass black accents and maybe some Borg-like tubing running in and out of the case on it's side and in back.

The to synch with the iPod, one would just plug it into the "collective", and it would start making sounds and synthing speech to the effect of "upgrading is futile. You will open your wallet and prepare to pay for new hardware."

And then if the case goes to sleep that's the only way to open it up and put upgrades in, but it takes a special haxxor to insert the "sleep" command into the G5's collective conciousness.

Best of all, this new G5 would be shaped like a CUBE! But it would be a real cube: no candy-ass lucite, only bad-ass industrialized metal and plastic, with rubber coolant hoses winding in and out of the case. It would be so bad-ass that Apple would have to sell a "nice" version for women and children.

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What's the <a href="http://www.applele.jp" target="_blank">www.applele.jp</a> or something site with the apple mock ups, it's japanese or so?

They had a G4 tower that was a cross between the Cube and the TiBook. It was square and silver with metal handles. I think something along those lines would be cool.
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post #10 of 105
I think the chances are the highest they have been since the G3 blue and white case, but thing is that is just because of time. The Beige G3 DT used the same case as the 75/72/76/7300s used, spanning several years, so when people say "oh that case is old" no not really.

I would be nice, but thing is I like it, I just want more 5.25" bays in it. And more RAM slots - or rather support for more than 1.5GB.
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[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
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The to synch with the iPod, one would just plug it into the "collective", and it would start making sounds and synthing speech to the effect of "upgrading is futile.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Riddle me this: Why, do you think, has Apple NOT put Firewire in more accessible locations like they have with USB (in the displays). Many companies are now designing their CPU's with IEEE 1394 ports on the front for easy accessibility.

We haven't seen this with iMacs or PowerMacs. Firewire built into the display or on the front of the machine would make it easier to "plug and play" with DV editing, iPod syncing, etc.

Could we see this in the new case revisions for both iMacs AND either PowerMacs or displays? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
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[quote]Originally posted by CosmoNut:
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Riddle me this: Why, do you think, has Apple NOT put Firewire in more accessible locations like they have with USB (in the displays). Many companies are now designing their CPU's with IEEE 1394 ports on the front for easy accessibility.

We haven't seen this with iMacs or PowerMacs. Firewire built into the display or on the front of the machine would make it easier to "plug and play" with DV editing, iPod syncing, etc.

Could we see this in the new case revisions for both iMacs AND either PowerMacs or displays? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
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post #13 of 105
The current iMac design does have easy-access FireWire and USB. It's right there on the side.
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post #14 of 105
If it ain't broke... Well, ElCapitan/Quicksilver could use a couple of "tweeks", as are self evident (ie 2nd drive bay) but other than that, and maybe a cool glossy (black?) new color to set off the "G5" on the side would help... Actually, if it's a G5, they could put it in a beige box and I'd still want one.
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post #15 of 105
The G4 had a new case in terms of the buying public. It was no longer a square smurf. Trust me: that's a new case.

As for a new form factor, which you should have said in the first place, I still say yes. This form has been around for a long time; Apple needs to keep the line fresh. You can say all you want about "if it ain't broke." I say bullocks to that. Why ever advance beyond our best technology? Why not look at the old BMW 7-series as say, "Ok, that's great. We're done, no more improvements!" Because then they new, better 7 would never come out.

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As long as they do

keep the handles
keep the easy open side door


and don't
put wacky patterns like flowers and blue/white dots


.......I will be fine


Yeah, front access fw and usb ports are very convenient
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[quote]Originally posted by nonhuman:
<strong>The current iMac design does have easy-access FireWire and USB. It's right there on the side.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I would argue that they still aren't very "easy access" on the side. Especially when you have to try fitting ALL those different plugs into that small area, or (God forbid) you try to fit everything through the hole in the little door. I'll agree, there's access, just not the sit-down-and-plug-in-and-go-and-unplug-right-after-you're-done convenience that there *could* be.

Heck, all you'd have to do is eliminate one of the headphone jacks on the front to free up space for a Firewire port. I guess you already have USB in the keyboard.

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[quote]Originally posted by Aphelion:
<strong>If it ain't broke... Well, ElCapitan/Quicksilver could use a couple of "tweeks", as are self evident (ie 2nd drive bay) but other than that, and maybe a cool glossy (black?) new color to set off the "G5" on the side would help... Actually, if it's a G5, they could put it in a beige box and I'd still want one.</strong><hr></blockquote>
give me a break. the current case sucks.

Apple survives on innovation and design. Believe it or not, people are likely more tempted to buy an Apple by its looks than its features (duh..). Having the same case design for 3 years does not help sales. It just makes it boring.

The current case has serious design flaws, shortcomings and just really isn't all that special. it's a metal box with plastic covers over it and a door on the side. I would like to think Apple could come up with and release a more daring design such as the cube.

the current Quicksilver case is a joke. For the features and expansion options it has it should be half the size. the front looks like a barren grey desert, the speaker looks ridiculous, there is no 2nd 5.25 inch bay, no front mounted ports, the clear handles don't look as good as the old ones and it just is more of the same.
post #20 of 105
I think the G5 case will be the same as the Quicksilver just a different color... just like when the original G4 replaced the Ble and White G3s.
post #21 of 105
Tell me that a new G5 in GLOSSY BLACK wouldn't look bad-ass? Make a case design sort of similar to the El capitan look and put 2 5.25" bays and 1-2 3.5" bays. Want a G5 logo on the side? Make that f*cker glow. Sound good? Oh, and maybe make it a tad taller to show that the G5 is the big boy in the world of PCs.

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[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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give me a break. the current case sucks.... I would like to think Apple could come up with and release a more daring design such as the cube...the current Quicksilver case is a joke... It should be half the size... it just is more of the same.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree with you about the Cube applenut - It is timeless, it sits as Art on my desk, and it will be there desk after desk.

About the current case: Ports in the front behind a motorized access door (al DVD drive) where the speaker is, Sub Woofer built into the left side, Satellite speakers bundled, fully functional second 5.25 device bay, silenced cooling system, DDR mobo w/G5, shipping with OSX 10.2... If I tell you when, you'll start saving your money now.

As far as BMW's - I always preferred the 911 Turbo - It's styling it has remained true to form and function, a few bulges added, a little smoothing here and there, but all Porche. I'll take a GLOSSY BLACK one w/ clear coat that gives it depth.

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post #23 of 105
the current trend in all of apple's line is mostly-rectangular (with rounded corners), with mixes of white, silver/titanium and clear. the tibook takes the titanium to the extreme since it needs to use it for heatsink purposes (or so i have been told -- i haven't actually used one to know if a lot of heat dissipates through the case). the imac line is the one holdout, with the indigo standing out from the essentially-monochrome-duo, snow and graphite (i have finally started to like snow -- damn you steve!!!) but i believe they just had a whackload of indigo cases lying around, and needed to unload them ASAP in preparation for the next imac case (whenever that happens). i can't imagine them switching to an all-black scheme -- i would like it, too, but i just don't think it'll happen yet. i think if you see any change to the yosemite/el capitan case, it'll be to a more rectangular styling (though that might start to look a little too much like a small refrigerator).
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post #24 of 105
[quote]The G4 had a new case in terms of the buying public. It was no longer a square smurf. Trust me: that's a new case. <hr></blockquote>

Well by this logic the Qucksilver is a new case, and the iMac comes in several different cases because of it's different colors.

Have you actually seen both a G4 and a G3 case? They are identical, except for the paint job and some plastic accents.

Do you take your car to Macco, get a new paint job, and then go tell all your friends that you've got a new car???
post #25 of 105
I firmly believe that the new case will still be El Capitan, but with a new colour scheme.

(I do belive this qualifies as a new case)

The new colours will match the trend we've seen by the last three major products Apple has released: 10.1, iBook, and iPod.

That is *white* with some silver trim.

I think the bulk of the case will be white like the iBook's case (as in, not like "Snow") and that the Apple logos on the sides and front will be:

Aqua Blue

That will be the only blue on it though, with all other trim being silver and/or chrome.

I believe we'll see updated display colour schemes at this time as well.

They'll still be mostly clear, but under the "skin" will be silver on the back and white on the front.

Again, with the Aqua Blue Logo.

I expect we'll see some glowing Apple logos somewhere or other also.
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post #26 of 105
Junk,

You're falling into the trap so many of we AI posters do: you forget not everyone knows as much as we about Macs! To non AI people, there is a big difference between a turquoise case and a grey case. There is not a big difference between a grey case with a pin striped front and a grey case with a smooth front.

The iMacs were marketed in flavors. That was the whole gimmick, man. The professional computers weren't. There's a big difference to a professional between a turquoise computer and a grey computer. But we digress.

The point here is that when the G5 is introduced, Apple will want to bring as much attention to it as possible. Because so much emphasis is put on Apple's design, introducing one will only help sales (assuming it's a good design...). Keeping the Quicksilver case will not detract from attention given to the G5, but it won't create quite the fanfare a new case would.

And we're not going to see a G5 at SF anyway!!

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post #27 of 105
One thing is for damn sure, Jonathan Ives* is absolutely amazing. I think his designs just keep getting better and better.

The current Apple LCDs, Cube, Titanium and QuickSilvers are classic designs IMO. You just never get tired of looking at them, and they always make me 'wow' in admiration.

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post #28 of 105
[quote]Originally posted by NeoMac:
<strong>One thing is for damn sure, Jonathan Ives* is absolutely amazing.</strong>
<hr></blockquote>

No doubt, that dood is a genius. The El Capitan case is amazingly easy to move (so impoartant) and when ever I do pull one out of its home to move it somewhere I'm hit all over again how beautiful the G4 is (and then there's Quicksilver... amazing, like you said).

Ives is what makes me sometimes wish I'd studies industrial design rather than graphic design.

I suppose either way I'd be doing web programming anyway though, so...
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post #29 of 105
The G5 will sport a new case design.
The inside of the current G4 has been changed since the latest G4 bump, but without any logical reasons or benefit for it.
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[quote]Originally posted by BerberCarpet:
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No doubt, that dood is a genius. The El Capitan case is amazingly easy to move (so impoartant) and when ever I do pull one out of its home to move it somewhere I'm hit all over again how beautiful the G4 is (and then there's Quicksilver... amazing, like you said).</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, the current G4 case is great IMO. Super easy access, and I love the look. Let's just hope they continue the trend and come up with something equally as cool.

BTW BerberCarpet, great work you're doing on my stairs. Thanks. I didn't know you had internet access....

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post #31 of 105
Isn't Aphelion our self-declared Apple Employee? So even though he wouldn't break his NDA by telling us some stuff, he's probably got the best idea. And Aphelion, what department do you work in?
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[quote]Originally posted by John:
<strong>Of course, the new BMW 7 series is ugly as sin... </strong><hr></blockquote>

I saw one "life" yesterday, and it's pretty pretty... :
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[quote]Originally posted by BerberCarpet:
<strong>I firmly believe that the new case will still be El Capitan, but with a new colour scheme.

(I do belive this qualifies as a new case)

The new colours will match the trend we've seen by the last three major products Apple has released: 10.1, iBook, and iPod.

That is *white* with some silver trim.

I think the bulk of the case will be white like the iBook's case (as in, not like "Snow") and that the Apple logos on the sides and front will be:

Aqua Blue

That will be the only blue on it though, with all other trim being silver and/or chrome.

I believe we'll see updated display colour schemes at this time as well.

They'll still be mostly clear, but under the "skin" will be silver on the back and white on the front.

Again, with the Aqua Blue Logo.

I expect we'll see some glowing Apple logos somewhere or other also.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That sounds like a pretty cool looking case.
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[quote]Originally posted by Aphelion:
<strong>

About the current case: Ports in the front behind a motorized access door (al DVD drive) where the speaker is, Sub Woofer built into the left side, Satellite speakers bundled, fully functional second 5.25 device bay, silenced cooling system, DDR mobo w/G5, shipping with OSX 10.2... If I tell you when, you'll start saving your money now.

[ 11-29-2001: Message edited by: Aphelion ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

When!?!? I don't need to save, I'm sitting on the money right now, have been since the QS let down in July. When!? Is the case you speak of the shipping case for the G5? What's the colors, any metal?
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post #35 of 105
The current case is nice looking, but as others have pointed out it could stand some improvements. It's not like we're asking that much. It doesn't cost that much to make a decent case!

First off, I'd just like to say that I like the current cases. It's definitely better than the, ugh, PC that sits next to it! The side door is nice. It's so easy to get in there. But once you're in there it's not that great.

As others have pointed out, where's the second 5.25" drive bay? I mean, what's the deal? This crappy PC next to my G4 has three, plus a disk drive.. and it's the same size. This would be great if we could get internal firewire drives. I'm not sure if firewire is better or worse than IDE for high intensity situations.. but it's at least good enough for CD-ROM, Zip drive, etc.

I've been fooling around a lot inside of this beast because of a defective hard drive. Two ideas came out of this. First.. get rid of those sharp edges! There's no need for that! I got a hunk taking out of my head and scratches all over my hands.. no need! Second, that stock hard drive is REALLY in there. I stripped the f-ing screw holding in the mount. I don't know what to do about that. And it's next to impossible to put all four screws into a second hard drive.

One more comment: can't somebody make a case with air filters? I can't imagine this being that hard. Now that would be an improvement.

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post #36 of 105
dWREK67 : That whole metal tray that the HD sits in slides right out - I think you have to remove a screw from the center of the plate under the HD - The first time I added another HD I said screw it and only put in 3 screws, I got all kinds of weird vibrations and HD sounds. 4 screws is better than 3
post #37 of 105
I would like this-


In case the image doesn't link-<a href="http://www.applele.com/powerfulmac4_b.html" target="_blank">here</a>
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post #38 of 105
From what I heard, it would be white, or white-ish (is that a correct word?). I wasn't let in on more details...
post #39 of 105
G5 Sphere!!!!


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[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>I would like this-


In case the image doesn't link-<a href="http://www.applele.com/powerfulmac4_b.html" target="_blank">here</a></strong><hr></blockquote>

I think the current case is much better than that.
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