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post #41 of 80
1/11/08 at 8:38am
listen to all the happy optimism as if Sony is going to play nice once they have the 'monopoly.' Remember that in saying you are glad Microsoft has lost this battle, you are somehow happy the just-as-bad Sony has won. Also, don't forget, Sony is still 'improving' the BD specs. That means, now that they have the go-ahead, they can implement all kinds of format-breaking DRM, restrictions, and hoops that they want, and to hell with the customer.
Good luck with that.
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post #42 of 80
1/11/08 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by solsun View Post

The format wars.

1. VHS vs. Beta-Max
2. DVD vs. Laser DIsc
3. HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray

If I'm not mistaken, I believe laser disc was also a Sony format.. Yeah, they deserve a win!


You *are* mistaken with regard to Laserdisc.

I'm fairly certain that Pioneer had far more to do with it than Sony, though Sony did release content in that format.

It was not a Sony owned format. It was also mainly a competitor with VHS (as it was released back in 1978), but mainly for video enthusiasts. When DVD was released it was superior in quality, and of course size to Laserdisc.
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post #43 of 80
1/11/08 at 8:43am
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listen to all the happy optimism as if Sony is going to play nice once they have the 'monopoly.' Remember that in saying you are glad Microsoft has lost this battle, you are somehow happy the just-as-bad Sony has won. Also, don't forget, Sony is still 'improving' the BD specs. That means, now that they have the go-ahead, they can implement all kinds of format-breaking DRM, restrictions, and hoops that they want, and to hell with the customer.
Good luck with that.

Yes, because they just want to be assholes about this. Toshiba and the rest of the HD DVD posse is clean as the driven snow and would never allow such things to ever besmirch the good name of HD DVD.

Remember kids, in the world of FUD**, there is only *one* company with any say in where Blu Ray goes. That's Sony, and we *must* hate and fear them.

There's a lot more to fear from stupid federal laws dictating how you manage purchased content than Sony's shenannigans.

**Seriously, there are 18 board members for the BDA (65 contributors and a whole bunch of members too) and it doesn't look like they list a position of "King of Blu Ray" with Sony holding that position. For the record, I think it is stupid to blame MS for HD DVD's nonsense as well, regardless of their agenda.
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post #44 of 80
1/11/08 at 8:52am
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I'll let you know when I finally have one of those. 50 discs later, and still no playback issues.

I think most of the issues are because of Samsung's crap. PS3 v2.0 did have some issues with the Pixar Collection, I think it's been fixed.

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I think HD-DVD would have won had MS used HD-DVD in every 360. By the time Blu-ray came on the scene HD-DVD would have been to prevalent to allow Blu-ray to take hold.

I don't know if that would have been feasible from the beginning, I think it would have had as much trouble as the PS3 did. But I think that the "Elite" model should have had an HD DVD drive.

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The format wars.

1. VHS vs. Beta-Max
2. DVD vs. Laser DIsc
3. HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray

If I'm not mistaken, I believe laser disc was also a Sony format.. Yeah, they deserve a win!

LD was MCA, though it seemed like Pioneer took over the mantel. LD predates DVD by two to four decades, depending on how you look at it. It really wasn't a format war, LD was just older and due for a replacement. At first, LD was fine and a good one was good as or better than the first DVDs, but that changed in a year or two, except maybe for audio, most LDs at the time had digital stereo PCM, most DVD settled on using lossy codecs that allowed for discrete surround. The HD formats offer lossless discrete surround, the best of both worlds.
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post #45 of 80
1/11/08 at 10:20am
Why is it when it comes to HD DVD and Blu-ray accuracy flies out the window?


We're not even a week beyond "Macs to offer Blu-ray" and the misinformed debacle that was to now Universal or Paramount and their seemingly changing mindset on the hour.

For a laugh I get Google Alerts and every other article is saying the opposite thing. Let's just face it...none of you know ANYTHING about whats going to happen. I may as well get one of those Magic 8 balls.
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post #46 of 80
1/11/08 at 10:55am
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5:00 pm ET January 10, 2008 -- Universal Studios has officially dispelled the rumors from Variety that it will drop HD DVD and switch to Blu-ray.
"Contrary to unsubstantiated rumors from unnamed sources, Universal's current plan is to continue to support the HD DVD format," said Ken Graffeo, executive vice president of HD strategic marketing for Universal Studios Home Entertainment and also co-president of the HD DVD Promotional Group.
The response would have come sooner, but many HD DVD executives were on flights home from CES when the incorrect story from Variety broke.


http://www.dvdtown.com/news/microsof...vd-format/5104

According to gaming site kotaku.com Microsoft has made it clear that they remain dedicated to the HD DVD format. "There was a critical element of our comments missing from the story -- Microsoft currently has no plans at this time to consider Blu-ray as an option. We continue to believe that HD DVD is the best optical solution for consumers, since it's the only format today that delivers quality experiences at affordable prices." a MS spokesperson clarified.


A bit more fuel to the fire

That's all very much for the masses to hear, so they will continue to buy product, while BD production is contracted for, and ramping up.

Anyone who actually believes that they, and Paramount, would stay with a format which will now fade from view (oh, a pun!), is pretty naive.

I hope you are just being contrarian about this for the purpose of stimulating discussion.
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post #47 of 80
1/11/08 at 10:56am
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The best they can muster are more "current" - "currently" statements? If you haven't seen this picture of the HD DVD booth (snapped by engadget), that says more to me than the combined marketing and spokesperson quotes from the "current" HD DVD companies.

Sore eyes indeed!
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post #48 of 80
1/11/08 at 10:59am
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Let's hope they are being that coy. Otherwise, they may be planning to go scorched earth with this thing. Perhaps Toshiba, M$ and Universal just wish to let this become a war of attrition, so that no clear winner emerges. In other words, "us losing is better than our opponent winning." I mean, they've already ignored two solid years of sales data. They've already pulled all the stops, dropping players to as low as $99, paying off Paramount to pick their losing format, etc. One has to wonder.

They really can't do that. They don't have enough product.

The talk already is that stores will remove HD-DVD products from their shelves. I believe that.

This will force them to move. If they have few outlets for their products, what can they do?
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post #49 of 80
1/11/08 at 11:00am
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Originally Posted by solsun View Post

The format wars.

1. VHS vs. Beta-Max
2. DVD vs. Laser DIsc
3. HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray

If I'm not mistaken, I believe laser disc was also a Sony format.. Yeah, they deserve a win!

You forgot CD vs. LP.
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post #50 of 80
1/11/08 at 11:04am
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Originally Posted by Nicnac View Post

listen to all the happy optimism as if Sony is going to play nice once they have the 'monopoly.' Remember that in saying you are glad Microsoft has lost this battle, you are somehow happy the just-as-bad Sony has won. Also, don't forget, Sony is still 'improving' the BD specs. That means, now that they have the go-ahead, they can implement all kinds of format-breaking DRM, restrictions, and hoops that they want, and to hell with the customer.
Good luck with that.

It's not just Sony. Don't you know?

http://www.blu-raydisc.com/index.html
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post #51 of 80
1/11/08 at 11:07am
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Why is it when it comes to HD DVD and Blu-ray accuracy flies out the window?


We're not even a week beyond "Macs to offer Blu-ray" and the misinformed debacle that was to now Universal or Paramount and their seemingly changing mindset on the hour.

For a laugh I get Google Alerts and every other article is saying the opposite thing. Let's just face it...none of you know ANYTHING about whats going to happen. I may as well get one of those Magic 8 balls.

It should be pretty obvious as to what's going to happen, no matter what the final players have to say.

What, do you really expect them to ride a rapidly obsolescent format?
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post #52 of 80
1/12/08 at 6:33am
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Originally Posted by solsun View Post

The format wars.

1. VHS vs. Beta-Max
2. DVD vs. Laser DIsc
3. HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray

If I'm not mistaken, I believe laser disc was also a Sony format.. Yeah, they deserve a win!

Boy, are you mistaken. Sony was nothing more than one of the LD player manufacturers, and not even one of the early ones. Damn fool Sony haters like to heap every perceived failing on Sony, regardless of whether it's actually based on reality. Hey, wasn't Sony responsible for the 8-track tape in your little universe, too? How about global warming?

Here's something for Toshiba/HD DVD lovers to chew on. You're probably too young to remember that Toshiba sold advanced CNC machinery to the Soviet Union, giving them the ability to churn out far quieter propellers for their submarines. Sure, the Soviet Union has collapsed since, but Russia's President (for life, if not in name, if he has anything to say about it) Putin doesn't instill me with a sense of beneficence.
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post #53 of 80
1/12/08 at 6:46am
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Why is it when it comes to HD DVD and Blu-ray accuracy flies out the window?

We're not even a week beyond "Macs to offer Blu-ray" and the misinformed debacle that was to now Universal or Paramount and their seemingly changing mindset on the hour.

For a laugh I get Google Alerts and every other article is saying the opposite thing. Let's just face it...none of you know ANYTHING about whats going to happen. I may as well get one of those Magic 8 balls.

HD DVD supporter to the bitter end. Not surprising. Wasn't it just a few months ago that you were trumpeting "GAME OVER!" in HD DVD's favor? And also claiming all through 2007 that the disc sales advantage would swing to HD DVD's side within a few weeks? Denial isn't just a river in Egypt. I guess pretty much every pundit at CES is dead wrong in calling the war nearly over. Yup, Fox is going to flip to HD DVD any minute now. Suuure, they will. Viacom and GE are going to sit idly back as their studios cling desperately to a fast-shrinking market share. (Or hasn't somebody been looking at the Amazon sales charts that show BR demolishing HD DVD in all categories? Oh, wait, that's right. The charts are only valid when HD DVD is winning.)

I have to laugh when I search for your posts all through last year. You boast that you post 10x (or somesuch) more than somebody else on the forums, denigrating him as a know-nothing noob. 10x wrong is nothing to brag about.
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post #54 of 80
1/12/08 at 7:36am
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Hey, wasn't Sony responsible for the 8-track tape in your little universe, too? How about global warming?

They probably haven't been doing all that manufacturing without releasing their fair share of greenhouse gasses.
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post #55 of 80
1/13/08 at 7:37pm
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The Matrix trilogy on BD is in the works.



What's taking so long? Do you have an idea when it will be out? I also remember that the HDDVD version of 300 had more extras than the BluRay. The PiP wasn't available either.

I'm getting concerned that these things are related to the reason why a lot of the PS3 games really look the same if not worse than the Xbox360 version: it's much harder to code for Blue Ray according to game developers. I have also read that amateur filmmakers prefer using HDDVD for the same reason. So will we get stuck now with this technology that promises so much yet delivers much less when it comes to movies and gaming because of the difficulty of using the medium?
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post #56 of 80
1/13/08 at 7:42pm
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What's taking so long? Do you have an idea when it will be out? I also remember that the HDDVD version of 300 had more extras than the BluRay. The PiP wasn't available either.

I'm getting concerned that these things are related to the reason why a lot of the PS3 games really look the same if not worse than the Xbox360 version: it's much harder to code for Blue Ray according to game developers. I have also read that amateur filmmakers prefer using HDDVD for the same reason. So will we get stuck now with this technology that promises so much yet delivers much less when it comes to movies and gaming because of the difficulty of using the medium?

One thing has nothing to do with the other.

Blu-Ray has nothing to do with PS3 programming.

PIP is now available.

Amateur filmmakers are often just that, amateur. It's no more difficult to prep a video for BD than it is for HD-DVD.
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post #57 of 80
1/13/08 at 8:46pm
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What's taking so long? Do you have an idea when it will be out?

Warner Bros. was waiting for the BD PIP support. They didn't want to release a half-assed product. I would expect it within six months.
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post #58 of 80
1/14/08 at 5:46am
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Amateur filmmakers are often just that, amateur. It's no more difficult to prep a video for BD than it is for HD-DVD.

I'm not quite so pretentious enough to call myself a filmmaker, but I am a videographer and would really like to offer HD weddings because I think this is a good time to get good margins on HD work.

As it is now I can burn HDDVD compatible 20 or 40 minute discs on regular 4 & 8 GB discs. While the format war was still undecided the lack of HDDVD burners was very annoying.

On the Blu-ray side we've got burners but are short on authoring tools. If I really really had to I supposedly could buy Premiere Pro and get Adobe Encore in order to burn Blu-Ray video discs, but that's a lot of money when I only want the little side app and not the big one I'm paying for.

Hopefully Steve will make an announcement tomorrow and give me some Blu-Ray authoring tools.

This situation may be what 4metta has heard about.
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post #59 of 80
1/14/08 at 6:59am
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I'm not quite so pretentious enough to call myself a filmmaker, but I am a videographer and would really like to offer HD weddings because I think this is a good time to get good margins on HD work.

As it is now I can burn HDDVD compatible 20 or 40 minute discs on regular 4 & 8 GB discs. While the format war was still undecided the lack of HDDVD burners was very annoying.

On the Blu-ray side we've got burners but are short on authoring tools. If I really really had to I supposedly could buy Premiere Pro and get Adobe Encore in order to burn Blu-Ray video discs, but that's a lot of money when I only want the little side app and not the big one I'm paying for.

Hopefully Steve will make an announcement tomorrow and give me some Blu-Ray authoring tools.

This situation may be what 4metta has heard about.

These tools are not that expensive, if you're a professional, even if you're doing wedding work. I assume your accountant writes off the cost of your hardware and software. That brings the cost of these down over the three years it's done. Looking for the cheapest tools is not the way to go.
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post #60 of 80
1/14/08 at 11:37am
Thanks for the lecture. I simply meant that Encore is the only option at the moment and that's frustrating for anybody small time that wants to be on Blu-ray.
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post #61 of 80
1/14/08 at 2:26pm
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Warner Bros. was waiting for the BD PIP support. They didn't want to release a half-assed product. I would expect it within six months.

Well this is my point. Why has it been just now that it was released as opposed to HDDVD movies which have had it for a while? Has HDDVD been out longer or what?


I sure hope 300 gets rereleased on BR. I know I'll buy that as one of my firsts and I want all the features the HDDVD version had when it came out.
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post #62 of 80
1/14/08 at 2:40pm
I haven't tried it yet... I own 3:10 to yuma on BD and haven't watched it yet... but supposedly it has PiP. I plan on watching it tonight.

 

 

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post #63 of 80
1/14/08 at 2:47pm
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Well this is my point. Why has it been just now that it was released as opposed to HDDVD movies which have had it for a while? Has HDDVD been out longer or what?

Yes.

Also, Toshiba was able to unilaterally define features, whereas BR group was more of a coalition. The first HD DVD player was basically an HTPC to allow them the ability to tweak the standard.
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post #64 of 80
1/14/08 at 2:58pm
Thanks for the answer.
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post #65 of 80
1/15/08 at 12:22pm
Don't rush out and buy a BD player just yet. \


Current Blu-ray Players Won't Play Upcoming BD Disc Features
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post #66 of 80
1/15/08 at 12:59pm
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Don't rush out and buy a BD player just yet. \


Current Blu-ray Players Won't Play Upcoming BD Disc Features

Depends on whether people care. Most don't. They just want to watch the movie.
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post #67 of 80
1/15/08 at 7:53pm
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Depends on whether people care. Most don't. They just want to watch the movie.

In that case it makes more sense to stream a rental from Xbox Live or iTunes.
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post #68 of 80
1/15/08 at 8:04pm
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In that case it makes more sense to stream a rental from Xbox Live or iTunes.

I think it's going that way, someone would have to be in denial to ignore that inevitability.

Still, I'm very happy with BR, and it's still less expensive through Netflix, even considering the current crunch Netflix users are experiencing. Given my home theater display, I'm probably not going to like the current version of iTunes movie rentals, but I might use it on occasion within a year.
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post #69 of 80
1/15/08 at 10:23pm
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In that case it makes more sense to stream a rental from Xbox Live or iTunes.

As far as I know, you can do that as well, if I get your meaning.
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post #70 of 80
1/31/08 at 4:56pm
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The format wars.

1. VHS vs. Beta-Max
2. DVD vs. Laser DIsc
3. HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray

If I'm not mistaken, I believe laser disc was also a Sony format.. Yeah, they deserve a win!

yea i just dont understand this one thing

yea i just dont see y every one and there mom is turning to blu-ray

wow it has more space

FOR GOD SAKE'S

how much Fu@#%ing Special featurs do u want

after all who really watch the specail fetures on EVERY movie i mean come on

and were not any were near USING the Extra Space on the Blue ray

and if they do like i said it will probablly be some lame interactuall Special features
wow...ohh/..wow..howw cool..no.

Warner.bros.FOX.Diseny.etc.
should all open there eyes and see the HD DVD is the perfect price and will increasse there saleS!

ewhat do u think?
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post #71 of 80
1/31/08 at 4:58pm
Welcome to AI.

Thanks for posting that jumble of characters.
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post #72 of 80
1/31/08 at 5:19pm
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Welcome to AI.

Thanks for posting that jumble of characters.

thank u for the welcome

i dont know i guess im kinda p.o

that i just bought a HD DVD player
and well im not sure what to do

keep it sell it .?

what should i do i mean

do u really thinkn

HD DVD is going to die..
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1/31/08 at 6:39pm
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thank u for the welcome

i dont know i guess im kinda p.o

that i just bought a HD DVD player
and well im not sure what to do

keep it sell it .?

what should i do i mean

do u really thinkn

HD DVD is going to die..

It still does what you bought it for. If it's a nice unit and you're happy then don't worry. The worst case scenario is that they stop producing HD DVD content and you can't buy any more of it. You can still watch your existing collection and regular DVDs.

Had this happened the other way around and it was Blu Ray on the losing end, those that spent the monsy on BR players and content would probably be out more money overall.
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1/31/08 at 6:55pm
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It still does what you bought it for. If it's a nice unit and you're happy then don't worry. The worst case scenario is that they stop producing HD DVD content and you can't buy any more of it. You can still watch your existing collection and regular DVDs.

Had this happened the other way around and it was Blu Ray on the losing end, those that spent the monsy on BR players and content would probably be out more money overall.

*cool comment*
kk man yea i guess ill jsut stick with HD DVD player for now its and wait for BR players to go out of business or just ..idk

u right

just sucks no one rents them out

Blockbuster dosent rent out HD right :/?
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1/31/08 at 6:57pm
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just sucks no one rents them out?

• http://www.netflix.com
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1/31/08 at 7:04pm
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*cool comment*
kk man yea i guess ill jsut stick with HD DVD player for now its and wait for BR players to go out of business or just ..idk

u right

just sucks no one rents them out

Blockbuster dosent rent out HD right :/?

As Solipsism suggested, netflix does indeed rent HD DVDs. They're inexpensive and worth trying. I use them and rent Blu Ray titles from them quite a bit in addition to regular DVDs.
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1/31/08 at 7:15pm
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As Solipsism suggested, netflix does indeed rent HD DVDs. They're inexpensive and worth trying. I use them and rent Blu Ray titles from them quite a bit in addition to regular DVDs.

yea im thinking of switching of to blue ray it seems the way to go

thanx guys!
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1/31/08 at 8:01pm
Keep in mind that HD-DVD has a hard time fitting full uncompressed audio and video on one HD-DVD. Blu-ray can pull this off easily, unless it's a very long movie. It's not just about the special features... in fact HD-DVD is ahead in special features.

 

 

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1/31/08 at 8:10pm
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*cool comment*
kk man yea i guess ill jsut stick with HD DVD player for now its and wait for BR players to go out of business or just ..idk

u right

just sucks no one rents them out

Blockbuster dosent rent out HD right :/?

I rent HD DVD and Blu Ray through Netflix.

Blockbuster also has a similar program that rents both. Their stores might not have them but they're mailed to you from a warehouse.

So you can stick with HD DVD for as long as the discs are avilable for rent.
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1/31/08 at 8:20pm
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

I rent HD DVD and Blu Ray through Netflix.

Blockbuster also has a similar program that rents both. Their stores might not have them but they're mailed to you from a warehouse.

So you can stick with HD DVD for as long as the discs are avilable for rent.

yea im thinking of sticking with it then im not

like for Examble

is i know this is different

but SAW 4and some other cool movies that will come out on DVD wont come out on

HD DVD :/ thats the reall bumber u know

anywayz ill stick with it for now

well thanx guys
peace!

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