Originally Posted by satchmo
Many years ago, when I worked for a CD-ROM publishing company, the owner said, "Content is king".
Unfortunately without content, Apple is being played by those with. It seems like an "anybody but Apple" strategy to bring Apple down. How soon they forget where they were before iTunes and legal downloading.
I don't think it's a problem. iTunes supports their hardware business. If the content comes from somewhere else, that's fine, it's never been hard to add. Apple makes more money on the hardware anyway.
Originally Posted by swmooretiger
Content matters, but not to a company like Apple. The iTMS only exists to provide content for the iPod/iPhone. If Apple didn't sell the iPod, they wouldn't have the store, not the other way around.
Amazon's service integrates very well with iTunes, allowing consumers to very easily purchase content from Amazon, but still buy their hardware from Apple.
In the end, I think it was the labels who were out played by Apple. They did what SJ wanted while thinking they were in control and really sticking it to Apple. Now the content market will start to free up, and people will have no good reason not to buy an iPod or iPhone to play their DRM free music.
Edit: Don't forget that it was Apple who also pushed to break albums up into individual songs. Apple "won" in that situation by having the first digital store to provide single tracks. However, the music was still laced with DRM.
The DRM isn't _that_ bad. Usually it's a nuisance at worst. It's DRM is possibly the freest out there.
Originally Posted by anantksundaram
amazon.com has to be one of the worst-designed and unappealing websites in the world. I hate going there. I hate shopping there.
Let's see how successful they are with their music download business (assuming that it matters much -- except for the signals that it sends -- to Apple).
That said, I have to say that the iTunes store website is also slowly (but steadily) beginning to look like cluttered crap.
I suppose Amazon could be cleaned up a bit, but I really haven't ever had a problem with their site.
Originally Posted by teckstud
First HD DVD, now iTunes? What's next in 2008?
I doubt iTunes is going to die soon. Apple has most of the legal download market tied up and I think they're the #4 or #3 music seller. Maybe their significance would fade, but I don't think Apple, Amazon or the labels are going to kill the service.
Originally Posted by jaijaz
Personally I'll happily buy Apple's DRM'ed music over Amazon's every day of the week. Why? Best of the better file quallty of ACC. Even at the 128kbs bit rate, that most of Apple's is, it still sounds better that Amazon's out dated 256kbs MP3 format. Then if you are lucky you might get one of the DRM free 256kbs ACC files.
Personally I'm not trying to do anything illegal with my music, so I'll go DRM and quality over DRM-less and old technology.
Have you actually tried to make a double-blind comparison on your own, or are you just going by prejudice here? By every account I've seen, Amazon's 256kbps VBR MP3 is very close to Apple's 256 CBR AAC. MP3 may be older, but it's pretty mature, and there may yet still be some improvement on the encoder side.
Originally Posted by Walter Slocombe
I smell two things. 1. collusion between the record labels "anybody but apple" which I believe is illegal.
and 2. the record labels looking for a scape goat, as in "see EU, Apple IS EVIL"
and I can't imagine Apple legal backing down from either.
It is possible for the labels to independently decide against Apple. To prove collusion, you have to have proof that the companies have been communicating directly with each other. Even if it's true, it's hard to prove.
Originally Posted by nagromme
In any case, while only one next-gen DVD format may survive, multiple music stores can survive. Some people talk as though ANYONE else finding ANY success means that iTunes won't be #1 anymore. In fact, some suggest that iTunes will QUICKLY not be #1 anymore. In fact... some go so far as to suggest iTunes' Doom
Doesn't really make a lot of sense.
If it's DRM free, then the store doesn't matter. The DVD equivalent for the previous model goes something like you buy a DVD player from a store chain, you must then buy the DVDs from the same chain too or it won't work.
Originally Posted by success
We the consumer win and It started with Napster not iTunes.
Napster was not a store, nor was it legal.
Originally Posted by teckstud
You must be kiddding-right? Then why offer it for sale in the first place? Apple even wants you to buy more music at Starbucks! Thank god the internet is free. If Apple could, they would sell access to the internet as well.
Internet is not free as in no cost. Many companies sell internet access, someone pays for the internet. Fiber optic cables and DSL loops don't lay themselves. Servers and switches don't buy themselves. The same goes with upgrades and maintenance. Even if you're using your neighbor's AP, your neighbor is the one paying for it. Starbuck's pays for Internet to get people to buy their coffee.
Originally Posted by macinthe408
I am going to spite Amazon just because they're capitulating to the demands of the record companies, and not me, Joe Consumer.
What demands is Amazon capitulating to?
Originally Posted by urtho
I guess I have to be one to buck trend here, and yes I know this is an Apple site. However I find the use of iTunes horrid for buying tracks, and very inconvenient, at home I have an AMD box running Ubuntu, but even if I were running Windows on it, I would NEVER, EVER install iTunes on Windows. iTunes on Windows is just too bloated and useless, takes up a ton of unnecessary RAM, even when it is not running. I installed it once for a friend who insisted I install it for them, and when it was done I thought I had installed AOL with all the background apps that it had to run, and all the files that ran at startup, one of which I couldn't get to not run at startup no matter what I tried.
I've not had your problems with iTunes on Windows. I can and do run iTunes on a six year old Windows computer and it runs just fine. Its memory consumption isn't bad, it's in league with the average web browser. It only takes a lot of memory when you use CoverFlow, and that's because the cover art needs to be in memory to do that smoothly.
There is a tiny service for iTunes, but it's not a CPU or memory hog. There should be a flag in the advanced preferences pane that tells iTunes to start or not start when an iPod is disconnected. That's all it does, start iTunes when you plug in your iPod.