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Upon request this is the pro war thread.
Myself and other peace mongers are excluded from posting.

Please post all your pro war arguments. Thanks.




(Moderators: I know there is no substance here but maybe some posters will make this into an informative thread)
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HALF a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the armchair pundits.
"Charge," was the captain's cry;
Their's not to use the brain,
Their's not to join the sane,
Their's but to promote the lame,
Into the valley of Death
Rode the armchair pundits.

Armchairs to right of them,
keyboards to left of them,
Fox News in front of them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Ranted at with shot and shell,
Boldly they typed and well;
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell,
Rode the armchair pundits.
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The flakes melted quickly. But the smiles, wonder and excited story-swapping went on throughout the day: It snowed in Baghdad.

The morning flurry Friday was the first in memory in the heart of the Iraqi capital. Perhaps more significant, however, was the rare ripple of delight through a city snarled by army checkpoints, divided by concrete walls and ravaged by sectarian killings.

"For the first time in my life I saw a snow-rain like this falling in Baghdad," said Mohammed Abdul-Hussein, a 63-year-old retiree from the New Baghdad area.

"When I was young, I heard from my father that such rain had fallen in the early '40s on the outskirts of northern Baghdad," Abdul-Hussein said, referring to snow as a type of rain. "But snow falling in Baghdad in such a magnificent scene was beyond my imagination."

After weathering nearly five years of war, Baghdad residents thought they'd pretty much seen it all. But as muezzins were calling the faithful to prayer, the people here awoke to something certifiably new.

Snow Day in the Sands of Baghdad

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Snow Day in the Sands of Baghdad


No WONDER we've switched the PC term from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change."


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[CENTER]....crickets....[/CENTER]

Ok. Am I the only one who'll contribute to this thread? I do see some change in Iraq. At least we're trying to communicate to the people.

At least we're trying.


Micro-grants improving Iraq's economy


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MAHMUDIYAH, Iraq, Jan. 10 (UPI) -- Micro-grants distributed by the U.S. Provincial Reconstruction Teams are helping reconstruct Iraqi's economy amid improved security.

Micro-grants provide businesses in Iraq a way to get re-established or provide entrepreneurs an opportunity to improve local economies as the security situation improves, the American Forces Press Service said.

Lou Lantner with the Mahmudiyah Provincial Reconstruction Team told journalists his PRT awarded 128 micro-grants in the region. He said he may award up to $2,500 to individuals to open, or reopen, a variety of businesses.

"Even if they have no possessions and all their equipment is gone, for a small amount … we can get them back (in business)," Lantner said.

The Mahmudiyah PRT works with the regional Concerned Local Citizens' group to help establish security in the region to allow the economy to recover more effectively.

"We are finding people who are talented, who can contribute, and who want to contribute, because now the security is at a point where they feel somewhat safe," Lantner said.

Some Iraqi heroes...



Suicide bomber wrecks Iraqi Army’s day of pride and hope for the future

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It was a day of ceremony, pride and hope. Dancing Iraqi soldiers celebrated the country’s national army holiday with a new chant: “Where is terrorism today?”

In the central Karrada neighbourhood, an elderly man placed flowers into the gun barrels of three recruits. And then the suicide bomber struck.

Four policemen, three soldiers and four civilians were killed, and many more wounded. The death toll would have been much higher were it not for the three soldiers who threw themselves at the bomber when they became suspicious. They absorbed much of the blast.

Without their action, many more would have died. The three were last night being hailed as heroes. “Their selfless sacrifice is what saved a lot of lives,” Lieutenant Steven Stover, a US military spokesman, told The Times. “The tragedy is that he was still able to detonate himself.”

Despite repeated setbacks, disappointments and challenges, Iraq’s armed forces are gaining in confidence and ability as they ready themselves to take over more responsibility from US forces.

You know, this article was presented badly. The focus should have been on these brave men. If the U.S. ever wants to get out of Iraq, we should embrace these three men as heroes. Tell the Iraqi people their story. Show the Iraqi people that their soldiers are willing to sacrifice themselves to better Iraq. Help the Iraqis rebuild their self-image. With a better self-image of their country, they will see it it worth fighting for and chase out all the terrorists from Iran, Saudi, Syria, and the Middle East in general.

Yet I'm not sure of any significant American MSM coverage of this either. Republican candidate GOLD.

But if the administration has plans for Iran...
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[CENTER]....crickets....[/CENTER]

Ok. Am I the only one who'll contribute to this thread? I do see some change in Iraq. At least we're trying to communicate to the people.

At least we're trying.


Micro-grants improving Iraq's economy




Some Iraqi heroes...



Suicide bomber wrecks Iraqi Armys day of pride and hope for the future



You know, this article was presented badly. The focus should have been on these brave men. If the U.S. ever wants to get out of Iraq, we should embrace these three men as heroes. Tell the Iraqi people their story. Show the Iraqi people that their soldiers are willing to sacrifice themselves to better Iraq. Help the Iraqis rebuild their self-image. With a better self-image of their country, they will see it it worth fighting for and chase out all the terrorists from Iran, Saudi, Syria, and the Middle East in general.

But if the administration has plans for Iran...

Yet I'm not sure of any significant American MSM coverage of this either. Republican candidate GOLD.

The problem is that the US - currently - is far too tied to Israel to be able to do anything in terms of support for any State in the ME.

Without getting into a discussion of the situation, the Israel/Palestinian situation is a standoff - and support for one side is opposition to the other.

This needs solving first - and the Bush admin is not capable or willing to do this. The hope is that later this year the new President will be one who does not voice uncritical support for Israel and give them a free pass to rise above the law as usual.

Unfortunately, given that the bases have all been covered and any possible 'real' leaders already neutralized, there is more chance of Wales winning the world cup.
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post #8 of 18
This (justifiably) angry piece was written by an Iraqi woman Layla Anwar. She is just one of millions of furious and disgusted people in that troubled area that see the US/UK lead war as a war OF terror. She has seen the effects first hand, rather than the ersatz version we get in the West, courtesy of MEMRI, the Israeli/Pentagon controlled censors which then redistribute pabulum to AP, Reuters, etc., subsequently spewed out by CNN, Fox and the others in the weasel army, so the hapless consumers in the US can feel a little more warm and fuzzy about where their tax dollars are going.

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Americans still pretend they brought Democracy to Iraq.

Keep on deluding yourselves folks. Had I been in charge of your Education, I would grant you free PHDs in Deceit, Duplicity and Denial.

And for the most brilliant amongst you and there are many I shall grant you an Honoris Causa in Mediocrity.

The 3 D Doctorates and the added M a bonus from me to you with loving appreciation for your intellectual endeavors.

There is a theory in botany, that analyses the lifespan of a fungus. It says that fungus (mushroom is a fungus by the way) only thrives in darkness and humidity and is basically fed on excrements.

That is the most propitious environment for it.

I shall do two things. Expose you to light and ask everyone to stop watering you . As for the excrement part, this I have no direct control over, but am sure, neutralizing the 2 others, darkness and humidity, one would hope that with enough shit up to your eyeballs and a great bout of constipation, you will eventually explode.

What has prompted this sudden outburst of venom as you like to call it ?
I will tell you, you triple Ds and various Ms.

Yesterday the barrel of oil hit 100$. Inflation is about 80% in Iraq, and over 60% in neighboring countries.

A half way decent cup of coffee costs about 5$. Forget about eating out in a restaurant. Forget buying clothes, books, CDs and the rest. Austerity is on the table.

Iraqi refugees, for the most part very poor, do not venture out except to beg, or engage in some menial job. For the most part they stay cooped up at home if you can call that a home, living off charity...

Iraqis inside of their country if you can still call that a country live the same predicament.

During the great leader Saddam Husseins reign, food was subsidized.

Rice, flour, sugar, oil, soap, etc... During his great reign, and I am deliberately using the word GREAT, because compared to you 3 Ds and Ms it was GREAT, and that despite the sanction years, sanctions you imposed upon us - people could still afford to feed themselves and at least had a job.

Today Iraqi women vow to fast Ramadan not for one month but for the whole year, to feed their kids. The majority of Iraqis, i.e. over 80% live off, on less than 1 $ a day. (see article from IRIN here)

You say he was a dictator - Ha!

You are the dictators, you are the tyrants, you are the terrorists...
You are the ones who ruined this country, who pillaged it, who raped and killed its people and destroyed its history...

You are the ones who divided it into sects and ethnicities, collaborating with the most fascistic elements inside of it, like the chauvinists, Zionists, Kurds and the sectarian, backward Shiites.


You have given us a Shi'ite Iranian theocracy, and if the Iraqi national Resistance finally does away with these Persian turbaned scum from Qum, Nejaf and Kerbala, we will be left with an another theocracy Sunni flavored.

I thought you were against Fundamentalism, are you not? How come your fucking occupation encouraged both kinds?

Dont tell me, I know already.

You are the ones who created Al-Qaeda and you are the ones who fed this other fungus called political Shiism in its most deviant form called Khomeinism.

You are indeed the real Terrorists. You are indeed the blood vampires. You are the Al-Qaedas of this world.

You say, we were oppressed and repressed under a totalitarian regime. Ha!

And what are you doing you motherfuckers. Are you not oppressing and repressing us?

Did you know that anyone, and I mean anyone who dares criticize your favorite puppet Al-Maliki (from the Iranian Al-Dawa party) and the other Kurdish pimp called Talabani, the so-called President of Iraq - I shit on such presidency by the way - disappears in dungeons?

Did you know that people are abducted from their homes on bogus charges and are imprisoned and tortured if they dare speak out against the filthy rapists/thugs/corrupt militias you have installed in power. The militias bearing the name of the king driller who ethnically cleansed the whole of Baghdad and goes by the name of Muqtada al-Sadr?


Did you know that anyone who utters a word against the new Jews of Iraq, also called the Badr Brigades of Hakims SCII, whom your filthy Kissinger praises, also disappears in prisons camps never to be seen again? And do remember that SCII is an Iranian creation par excellence. They even have the same "Islamic revolutionary council" in Iran.

Did you know that the other Zionist Jews we have and who go by the name of Kurds, have become known for their being the best drug, arms and whore smugglers in the Middle East?

Did you know that women are forced to veil, even the Christian ones - otherwise we face an ugly death and the lucky ones among us might have acid thrown on her face and body?

Did you know that the whole of Baghdad is sealed behind walls like ghettoes and that digital prints, iris scans, and badges are required to move from one neighborhood to another?

Did you know that todays Iraq is considered the second most corrupt country in the world?

Did you know that billions of Dollars are being stolen from the Iraqi treasury - a trend set by your gangster Bremer and diligently followed by the puppet government and parties you put into power?

Do you know what kind of militias run the so called provinces - like Basrah, Diyala, Baquba, Baghdad, Diwaniyah and the rest ?

Do you have any fucking idea what you brought to Iraq ?

Do you have any idea how many widows we have ? Over 1 million.

Do you have any idea how many orphans we have ? 5 million.

Do you have any idea how many people died, disappeared, or are in prisons ?

1+ million dead, the injured and the disappeared in the hundred of thousands, and over 150000 in prisons.

Forget what you hear about the "modest" sum of 45000 incarcerated. It is a LIE.
But then you lie as well. What difference does it make- you tell me !?

Do you know how many of us are exiled, without jobs and with no resources? Forget about the bullshit you read in your newspapers.

In Syria alone, the official number is 2 Million and the unofficial is 3.5 Million.

So you duplicitous, deceitful, in denial bastards that you are , where is your Democracy ?

And when I say You, am not only addressing you - parasitic, fungus like Americans, I am also addressing the so-called respectable Western world of my butt.
And this is not only limited to Westerners, oh no, am including everyone here.
In particular the vile Iranians, the filthy Israelis and their Zionist buddies, and the equally filthy Arabs.

Bottom line, you filthy bastards, you have ruined our lives. You have destroyed and ruined our lives.

And you say Saddam Hussein, the legitimate President of Iraq was a tyrant? Ha, Ha, and Ha.

He gassed his own people? Another fabricated lie, one among many others, and another Ha! But please do tell me about your depleted Uranium that circulates in our bloodstream and the burns from your white phosphorus and napalm.

He tortured? Ha! What about your tortures and rapes - Abu Ghraib, Haditha, Mahmoudiah, Falluja, Baghdad, Basrah and the rest ?

He clamped down on dissent? Hahahahahaha.

Ask us 4.5million exiled what dissent is all about and ask the 150000 in your Iranian/Iraqi Shiite shit and American prisons.

He was repressive against the Kurds and the Shiites? Another hahahaha.
Those whom he so-called repressed are running todays Iraq and what a beautiful sight it is!

He was a CIA agent? hahahahahahahahaha. No you fuck heads. The CIA agents are Chalabi, Maliki, Muqtada Al Sadr, A.Al-Hakim, Barazani and Talabani. The same people who came on American tanks and whom the GREAT Saddam Hussein kept at bay and RIGHTLY so.

This is YOUR REALITY. This is the reality you created. And you still come and spill more lies - you triple Ds, you mediocre, parasitic, feeble fungus...

Wait.

I will add another D here.

You Deceitful, Duplicitous, in Denial, Disgusting lot.
You Deceitful, Duplicitous, in Denial, Disgusting, fungus, parasitic people.
You Deceitful, Duplicitous, in Denial, Disgusting, Mediocre - shame to be called human beings people.

Layla Anwar, Who am I ? The eternal Question . Have not figured it out fully yet . All you need to know about me is that I am a Middle Easterner, an Arab Woman - into my 40's and old enough to know better. I have no homeland per se. I live in Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan, Syria and Egypt simultaneously ... All the rest is icing on the cake.



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post #9 of 18
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Against my own rules:

I love this war because it clearly demonstrates the absolute uselessness and insanity of modern warfare.

I love this war because it destroys any chance of a republican becoming president.

I love this war because a Bush will never be president again.

I love this war because vets will get better healthcare.

I love this war because SDW2000 (BC) does not post in this thread.
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Celebrating 5 years of killing for oil!
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The positive spin PR campaign is going to be incredible. I have little doubt that they will sell the "success" of this war to the American people before November. All the pieces are in place to sell the war and McCain. Facts don't matter to the sheep if you wave flags, hold Bibles and babble about "the troops".

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I would not be surprised by an Iran attack in a McCain regime. I would also expect it t be much more aggressive than the Iraq initiative.
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I would not be surprised by an Iran attack in a McCain regime. I would also expect it t be much more aggressive than the Iraq initiative.

Iran has a lot more people. this will be the 1000 year war. Oil will be 1000/barrel by 2010.

Luckily we will only be able to afford another 1 or 2 year max of the Iraq war. If McCain wants war so bad he should run for president of China after all they are paying for everything.

Bush = Nero

It is time that we get flexible enough to kiss our own asses goodbye.
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Bush = Nero

It is time that we get flexible enough to kiss our own asses goodbye.

Bad comparison. Read your history. There are plenty of other Roman leaders who might be better comparisons (try Julius Caesar).
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Republinsane war predictions

""Why should we hear about body bags and deaths? Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?"
- Barbara Bush, former First Lady (and the current president's mother), on Good Morning America, 3/18/03"

Sounds good.
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