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No I mean the physical store since I work a few blocks from one of the NYC stores.

I would give it no more than a couple days, assuming this will be available now. That's why I referred you to the site. If it's available NOW, it should be on display in the stores today, or tomorrow. If not, then it will take a bit longer.
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Why the indignation?

Perhaps I just don't understand the sense of entitlement that's permeating these threads.

I don't either. It's a very teenage attitude.
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I believe your thinking is really screwed up on this. No product is for everyone or fit every need, so don't assume such, don't try to cram a round peg into a square hole. Besides, FW audio interfaces aren't that common. If you need to run one, get a MBP.

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Where are the Macbook / Macbook Pro Updates???

They came out 6 months ago.

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That is only a concept, not a production device.

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\ ... people will find anything to whine about.

Apparently so. Today this board feels like Digg.

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I don't really get that thinnest hype. It used to be "less is more" but now less is just much less. It might be art but I don't really get why someone would buy this. It looks nice but no drive, such a small hard drive lack of firewire and a slow processor compared to a mbp. Who buys this kinda stuff anyway?

The same goes for my iPod. There is no optical drive, it can't hold anywhere near as much as my Mac Pro and don't even get me started on the processing power. it has such a small screen. Why can't they put a 30" display into my iPod Nano. The humanity!

It's almost like Apple made the MacBook Air to fit a specific customer and not for your average, everyday Joe.

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maybe with a USB HUB?

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post #125 of 400
Hmmmm....

It seems to me that Apple is directly going for the women and/or gay community here. They have to expand market share somehow, right? Truthfully, and objectively, ask yourself, what is the advantage to buying the Air? This machine is exclusively for checking desperate housewives blogs, nothing else. Another underpowered, overpriced, underwhelming hardware release. Are you guys really so wimpy that you need to have the lightest notebook on earth? Was that Macbook really that heavy? Keep buying into the "design" of Apple. Staring at the shiny outside, you will never realize that computers are only tools, not fashion statements.
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Am I the only person waiting for Apple to announce that they've teamed with Nike for a special edition Macbook Air Jordan

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Or the Nike+Apple version

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I was being facetious.

Of course apple revises their machines. The question didn't have to be asked.

Oh, I'm with you. I loved your post. The original post was so ridiculous that it demanded a ridiculous response...
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Does anyone make SATA 1.8" drives?

The only ones I found with Google were all SSDs.

I believe all the HDD iPods use PATA drives. I'm guessing they don't make SATA drives.
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post #129 of 400
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Hmmmm....

It seems to me that Apple is directly going for the women and/or gay community here.

Justify that comment *really* quickly.

I mean it.
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post #130 of 400
sorry, I did not mean any harm. I just mean that it is a new direction; for on the go designers, people who do not sit in front of computers all day, non professionals who just want email, nothing else. You can retract my post, if you wish.
post #131 of 400
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Hmmmm....

It seems to me that Apple is directly going for the women and/or gay community here. They have to expand market share somehow, right? Truthfully, and objectively, ask yourself, what is the advantage to buying the Air? This machine is exclusively for checking desperate housewives blogs, nothing else. Another underpowered, overpriced, underwhelming hardware release. Are you guys really so wimpy that you need to have the lightest notebook on earth? Was that Macbook really that heavy? Keep buying into the "design" of Apple. Staring at the shiny outside, you will never realize that computers are only tools, not fashion statements.

Ummm you choose this as your thoughtfull first post to AppleInsider?

If you want to complain about the machine you will have a lot of (whiny) company, but there is no need for random stereotyping...
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sorry, I did not mean any harm. I just mean that it is a new direction; for on the go designers, people who do not sit in front of computers all day, non professionals who just want email, nothing else. You can retract my post, if you wish.

You can edit your own post. Please do so.
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Anybody else reminded of the Cube when they look at the Air's price/performance/functionality mix?

That's exactly what I thought. Wasn't the Cube listed at 1799 when it came out? The main difference though is that there is (IMO) more of an advantage to less weight and ultrathin than there was to the Cube's "space saving" design (it took up less space and looked beautiful except that it was supposed to replace computers that did not sit on teh desk top and therefore it actually took up more space).
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OK so we have new hardware!

Where is 10.2!!! I want my bugs fixed!!!!!!
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Whilst i love the new Air i'm baffled by Apple's UK currency conversion.

Ok i know you guys in the US have sales tax and we also get stung with V.A.T but since when did $1799 convert to £1200 give or take a penny.

Nope i'm not going for it.

I've paid £3500 for G4's, G5's etc.. in the past but i've had enough. I wouldn't care i sold my two month old Macbook Pro on Ebay last week in anticipation but i'm not getting ripped off. If it was £1000 i'd feel this was fair. \

On another note. Just updated my iPod Touch with the new apps for $20 or £12.99 by Apple's broken currency converter (again not the £10 i'd expect Apple) and it's transformed my iPod. Well worth it IMO.
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Hmmmm....
Staring at the shiny outside, you will never realize that computers are only tools, not fashion statements.

iBook Clamshell, Pismo, Titanium Powerbook.... design has Always been the principal for Apple.... well, not terribly the the Al PB's and MBPro. I have to believe that the MBPro's will get a long overdue new skin and it will be with the Air's design cues.... slightly curving up of the underside. I'm glad to see that the design team has found a way to bring style to the minimal lines of MBPro and AL Powerbook.

So... no FIrewire or PCMCIA, et al.... that will be the MacBook Pro. Same styling cues, pro use. Summer '08?
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Hmmmm....

It seems to me that Apple is directly going for the women and/or gay community here. They have to expand market share somehow, right? Truthfully, and objectively, ask yourself, what is the advantage to buying the Air? This machine is exclusively for checking desperate housewives blogs, nothing else. Another underpowered, overpriced, underwhelming hardware release. Are you guys really so wimpy that you need to have the lightest notebook on earth? Was that Macbook really that heavy? Keep buying into the "design" of Apple. Staring at the shiny outside, you will never realize that computers are only tools, not fashion statements.

They are tools, which is why a sledge hammer doesn't a replace a jointer's mallet just because it's bigger.
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They are tools, which is why a sledge hammer doesn't a replace a jointer's mallet just because it's bigger.

I love this analogy
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These would be my $0.02

Why PATA? Because SATA Solid State Drives are very difficult to come by, usually cost substantially more, and have lower capacities. Apple just decided not to have two different mainboard designs (one if you pick an HD and a different one for an SSD).

No firewire? It was well said before that not every professional is a photographer or video editor. I can't say I've never used my firewire port.

Price? Have you ever looked at a Sony TZ? You do get an integrated drive, but have to contend with a single core ultra low volt 1.0-1.3 ghz processor and costs around $3,700 if you spring for the SSD!

Non-user-replaceable battery... just like an ipod, iphone... like this should have surprised or angered anyone.

From Samsung's SSD site (http://www.samsungssd.com/what_is_ss...fficiency.html)
Active Power User: 1W SSD / 2.1W HDD
Idle: 0.1W / 1.5W
Standby: 0.06W / 0.2W
Its also 40% faster sequential read, 30% faster seq. write (maximum transfer rates)

Intels Metro notebook never went into production. It was just a prototype/demo.

Personally, I think its a great design. Its certainly not for everyone, but I think there are definitely people out there who will not mind lacking connectivity and drives in exchange for beautiful and very portable design. If Sony made this it would be like the X505 (http://reviews.digitaltrends.com/review952.html) it would be going for $3,500+.
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You can't defy the laws of physics people!
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Originally Posted by dvsryan View Post

Hmmmm....

It seems to me that Apple is directly going for the women and/or gay community here. They have to expand market share somehow, right? Truthfully, and objectively, ask yourself, what is the advantage to buying the Air? This machine is exclusively for checking desperate housewives blogs, nothing else. Another underpowered, overpriced, underwhelming hardware release. Are you guys really so wimpy that you need to have the lightest notebook on earth? Was that Macbook really that heavy? Keep buying into the "design" of Apple. Staring at the shiny outside, you will never realize that computers are only tools, not fashion statements.


o.O

Okay, I'll be honest, I'm not offended by this statement, Although, I'll let you in on a secret, I'm a woman, who also happens to be gay, and as cute as I think this machine is, it's not for me. I'm not going to forgo what I need power-wise for a cute wrapping. I have a G5 Quad Powermac, a 2.44GHz AluMac and a 1st Gen Macbook, not because they're aesthetically pleasing, but because they're what I need for work and school.

So next time you go to paint entire groups of people, close the window, and think how foolish you come across when you say things like this.
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These would be my $0.02

Why PATA? Because SATA Solid State Drives are very difficult to come by, usually cost substantially more, and have lower capacities. Apple just decided not to have two different mainboard designs (one if you pick an HD and a different one for an SSD).

No firewire? It was well said before that not every professional is a photographer or video editor. I can't say I've never used my firewire port.

Price? Have you ever looked at a Sony TZ? You do get an integrated drive, but have to contend with a single core ultra low volt 1.0-1.3 ghz processor and costs around $3,700 if you spring for the SSD!

Non-user-replaceable battery... just like an ipod, iphone... like this should have surprised or angered anyone.

From Samsung's SSD site (http://www.samsungssd.com/what_is_ss...fficiency.html)
Active Power User: 1W SSD / 2.1W HDD
Idle: 0.1W / 1.5W
Standby: 0.06W / 0.2W
Its also 40% faster sequential read, 30% faster seq. write (maximum transfer rates)

Intels Metro notebook never went into production. It was just a prototype/demo.

Personally, I think its a great design. Its certainly not for everyone, but I think there are definitely people out there who will not mind lacking connectivity and drives in exchange for beautiful and very portable design. If Sony made this it would be like the X505 (http://reviews.digitaltrends.com/review952.html) it would be going for $3,500+.

That is worth at least 03¢. Nice post. Welcome to AI.
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post #143 of 400
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Even if they will be announced for the end of the month, that;s only two weeks away. Apple has announced machines a month before they became available. I don't understand this one.

I'm not saying that I particularly understand it either. I'm just saying that this is a relatively common apple practice.
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Ok i know you guys in the US have sales tax and we also get stung with V.A.T but since when did $1799 convert to £1200 give or take a penny.

US price is without tax. UK price is with tax. The UK price in US terms is £1020 or just over $2000, so it's only a $200/£100-ish premium which is about normal for an Apple laptop.

The base MacBook Pro is $1999 in the USA or £1105 here without tax, a difference of $173.

Some of that difference is probably import tax as it's higher here than the USA.
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whose really buying this?

no ethernet, no firewire, no optical drive. come on.

and is it only glossy display?
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Originally Posted by rosstheboss View Post

yes sir. 5000+ posts?! wow...you must be waiting for a lot of video to render....?!

Wow! That wiseass remark really contributed a lot.
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Originally Posted by dvsryan View Post

Hmmmm....

It seems to me that Apple is directly going for the women and/or gay community here. They have to expand market share somehow, right? Truthfully, and objectively, ask yourself, what is the advantage to buying the Air? This machine is exclusively for checking desperate housewives blogs, nothing else. Another underpowered, overpriced, underwhelming hardware release. Are you guys really so wimpy that you need to have the lightest notebook on earth? Was that Macbook really that heavy? Keep buying into the "design" of Apple. Staring at the shiny outside, you will never realize that computers are only tools, not fashion statements.

It's a good thing your post was a joke, or otherwise, people here would think that you're a moron.
post #148 of 400
Looks great, congrats to the Apple design team (again)

Just checked the online store and thought I should mention that the price is $1,699 ($100 off) after an educational discount. It's a bargain
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That is worth at least 03¢. Nice post. Welcome to AI.

Thanks!

I forgot one thing.
SSD weighs in at about 75g whereas a HD is about 365g, which means the laptop would weigh about 0.6lbs less with SDD... a lot for considering how light the laptop already is (though probably not $1,000 a lot haha)!
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These would be my $0.02

Why PATA? Because SATA Solid State Drives are very difficult to come by, usually cost substantially more, and have lower capacities. Apple just decided not to have two different mainboard designs (one if you pick an HD and a different one for an SSD).

No firewire? It was well said before that not every professional is a photographer or video editor. I can't say I've never used my firewire port.

Price? Have you ever looked at a Sony TZ? You do get an integrated drive, but have to contend with a single core ultra low volt 1.0-1.3 ghz processor and costs around $3,700 if you spring for the SSD!

Non-user-replaceable battery... just like an ipod, iphone... like this should have surprised or angered anyone.

From Samsung's SSD site (http://www.samsungssd.com/what_is_ss...fficiency.html)
Active Power User: 1W SSD / 2.1W HDD
Idle: 0.1W / 1.5W
Standby: 0.06W / 0.2W
Its also 40% faster sequential read, 30% faster seq. write (maximum transfer rates)

Intels Metro notebook never went into production. It was just a prototype/demo.

Personally, I think its a great design. Its certainly not for everyone, but I think there are definitely people out there who will not mind lacking connectivity and drives in exchange for beautiful and very portable design. If Sony made this it would be like the X505 (http://reviews.digitaltrends.com/review952.html) it would be going for $3,500+.

interesting numbers... guess Apple's rightly priced then.

Although, this is not an iPod or iPhone where batteries are expected to not be accessible. But on a laptop -- who expected this?
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EeePC should announce their new UMPC's soon. I'm not understanding the big deal with "thin", lighter I can udnerstand, but lighter doesn't have to equal thin. I guess I'm just mad because I didn't get what I wanted.
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OK so we have new hardware!

Where is 10.2!!! I want my bugs fixed!!!!!!

You have bugs?

Don't look to Apple. Go to the doctor!

Sorry. I just couldn't help it.
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whose really buying this?

no ethernet, no firewire, no optical drive. come on.

and is it only glossy display?

If this had existed in July, I would have bought it and kept my iMac, instead of selling my iMac and buying a MBP.
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Why? If you don't mind me asking.
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If this had existed in July, I would have bought it and kept my iMac, instead of selling my iMac and buying a MBP.
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I'll be buying one as soon as I can, my old macbook needs replacement anyway. I am slightly disappointed about the SSD being so expensive, but I know I was kidding myself thinking it wouldn't be a big hit on the price. This is a nice, portable machine, and personally I won't miss many of the missing ports. The mono audio on the other hand is ridiculous, but I'm sure audiopollution will be quick to point out that apple has just released many remedies to this situation called 'ipods'.

A mono audio port does not mean mono sound out, just a single speaker. There is a headphone jack and that will give you stereo (if analog) audio ...
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interesting numbers... guess Apple's rightly priced then.

Although, this is not an iPod or iPhone where batteries are expected to not be accessible. But on a laptop -- who expected this?

Well, I meant more that its not like a integrated battery is not a new thing for Apple to do. I admit that it was a bit of a surprise, but really the size makes the decision more understandable.
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Yep, there's your next Dell, HP, and anyone else that uses Intel's spec platforms.

<rant>

The MacBook Air will die just like the other niche products Apple's produced in the past (Cube, Newton, etc...) there is just not a market for a mid-ranged stripped down product. This is not the small mobile product to jump start the Japanese market and it's definately not a "Pro" model with a 1.8" hard drive. That puppy just isn't going to take the abuse that a daily computing load will put on it. Throw in any significant graphics/video work and it will probably die in about a year. I only get about a 1 1/2 - 2 years out of my notebook hard drives in my other Mac notebooks now.

Once Dell, HP and the others come out with their versions of the Intel Metro, the MacBook Air will be done.

Apple needs to concentrate on their core market and produce the successor to the Mini and fill the desktop gap between the Mini and the Mac Pro. The iMac isn't it. It needs to be a headless desktop with expandability like the Mac Pro. Bring back an Intel machine like the G4 PowerMac tower!!!

I'm tired of all these gadgets, that was never what Apple was about.

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Thanks!

I forgot one thing.
SSD weighs in at about 75g whereas a HD is about 365g, which means the laptop would weigh about 0.6lbs less with SDD... a lot for considering how light the laptop already is (though probably not $1,000 a lot haha)!

Not really.

The iPod classic 80GB model, which uses the 1.8" HDD weighs 140 grams. The HDD inside probably weighs about half that, or maybe just a bit more.

That's little to no difference at all.
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I'm surprised no one has commented on how fragile this thing might be. I remember dropping my first Ti book and finding out how flimsy titanium really was. Maybe with less overall weight this thing will not be any more breakable than any other Al book but with such a thin perimeter you're going to end up with a lot of force focused through the edge. That would bring a tear to my eye ...
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Why? If you don't mind me asking.

As of this September I work a regular job 32 hours a week (not being too productive today though!) and attend law school part-time in the evening.

So, obviously, I needed a laptop. I wound up choosing the MBP so I could get a larger screen, and then just sold my iMac to make it my only computer.

I like to mess around in garage band a lot (although i don't have a whole lot of time for that now) and play the occasional game, so the extra power, larger screen and all the other niceties that the MBP entails were worth if for me.

It seemed a little silly to have both machines, so I sold my iMac to my mom, who was looking to upgrade from her original lampshade iMac.

I'm fortunate enough to be going to school on a full scholarship, so unlike most law school students, I have actual disposable income.

Certainly, it would be a lot nicer to just have the ultra-svelte, 3 pound MBA in my bag for typing notes in class, with my iMac at home for all the other stuff, instead of my 5.5 pound MBP for both.

But it is what it is, so I'm not going to go to the time and expense to get that set-up now.
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