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It's really neat, and slim.. and light weight.. but unnecessarily wide and deep It must have been possible to shrink away the phat borders on the side of the screen.


My question exactly. I love Apple and may buy this, but for the record, look at what Panasonic and Toshiba have done with less weight:

Panasonic:
http://www.dynamism.com/w7/specs.shtml
Toshiba:
http://www.buy.com/prod/toshiba-port...204721663.html

Personally, I could not care less about an optical drive, but am curious to note the Toshiba is also thin, and comes in at just 2.4lbs (albeit with a 12inch screen, but it also has a DVD burner and lots of ports). I thought the SSD version is like 1.75lbs (again 12inch but with DVD and lots of ports). Why is the Apple so heavy?
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So you're just here to troll? Allrighty then.

Yeah, i spend twelve, sometimes eighteen hours a day on here. It's why I got an iPhone. I've bought almost every latest Mac machine for a the last five or six years, i don't actually use them for video editing, graphic design or audio, all i do is hit refresh on Apple Insider all day. I make sure that I pre-order the new gear as soon as it comes out. So the MacBookAir is perfect for me: one USB port for a mouse so i don't get RSI scrolling around the posts all day.

I hope I get a prize when i hit 12,000 posts. That'd be al(l)righty.
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I hope I get a prize when i hit 12,000 posts. That'd be al(l)righty.

I'll give you mine.
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My question exactly. I love Apple and may buy this, but for the record, look at what Panasonic and Toshiba have done with less weight:

Panasonic:
http://www.dynamism.com/w7/specs.shtml
Toshiba:
http://www.buy.com/prod/toshiba-port...204721663.html

Personally, I could not care less about an optical drive, but am curious to note the Toshiba is also thin, and comes in at just 2.4lbs (albeit with a 12inch screen, but it also has a DVD burner and lots of ports). I thought the SSD version is like 1.75lbs (again 12inch but with DVD and lots of ports). Why is the Apple so heavy?

And those have a 1.06 or 1.2GHz CPUs. Apple's are 1.6 and 1.8GHz. It looks like Apple went with LV rather than ULV chips, and that's where the difference lies.
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Originally Posted by NYCMacFan View Post
My question exactly. I love Apple and may buy this, but for the record, look at what Panasonic and Toshiba have done with less weight:

Panasonic:
http://www.dynamism.com/w7/specs.shtml
Toshiba:
http://www.buy.com/prod/toshiba-port...204721663.html

Personally, I could not care less about an optical drive, but am curious to note the Toshiba is also thin, and comes in at just 2.4lbs (albeit with a 12inch screen, but it also has a DVD burner and lots of ports). I thought the SSD version is like 1.75lbs (again 12inch but with DVD and lots of ports). Why is the Apple so heavy?
And those have a 1.06 or 1.2GHz CPUs. Apple's are 1.6 and 1.8GHz. It looks like Apple went with LV rather than ULV chips, and that's where the difference lies.

Right, but my question is about the weight. That might explain the battery life.

By the way, with LED screens, a 1.6 processor (and certainly with an SSD), the Apple should have a long battery life. If it doesn't that should be due to a smaller batttery and so it should be lighter. I just don't follow the weight issue here. Panasonic also has a 14.4 with a DVD drive for 3.4 and so why is the Apple 3.0? Can't understand...
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Originally Posted by NYCMacFan View Post

My question exactly. I love Apple and may buy this, but for the record, look at what Panasonic and Toshiba have done with less weight:

Panasonic:
http://www.dynamism.com/w7/specs.shtml
Toshiba:
http://www.buy.com/prod/toshiba-port...204721663.html

Personally, I could not care less about an optical drive, but am curious to note the Toshiba is also thin, and comes in at just 2.4lbs (albeit with a 12inch screen, but it also has a DVD burner and lots of ports). I thought the SSD version is like 1.75lbs (again 12inch but with DVD and lots of ports). Why is the Apple so heavy?

The Toshiba R500 you linked has an 11" Screen, which is why it weighs 2.4 Lbs.
According to Panasonic's website the W7 doesn't weigh less, its 3.0Lbs (2.8 if you buy an extra smaller-capacity battery). I dunno why Dynamism says its less.

The W7 with 160Gb HD and 1.2 Ghz processor is $3,100.
The R500 (120Gb / 1.2Ghz) is $2,150.

The more I lookup these other compacts the more affordable the MBA seems. Hmm...
post #247 of 400
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The Toshiba R500 you linked has an 11" Screen, which is why it weighs 2.4 Lbs.
According to Panasonic's website the W7 doesn't weigh less, its 3.0Lbs (2.8 if you buy an extra smaller-capacity battery). I dunno why Dynamism says its less.

The W7 with 160Gb HD and 1.2 Ghz processor is $3,100.
The R500 (120Gb / 1.2Ghz) is $2,150.

The more I lookup these other compacts the more affordable the MBA seems. Hmm...

Price is not my concern. Weight is. By the way, an R500 with an SSD is 1.75lbs with an OPTICAL drive. And its a 12inch widescreen isn't it? But again, I want to know why it is not lighter given the dearth of ports and optical drive.

From a pricing standpoint, Apple also has a better processor and presumably better build quality.
post #248 of 400
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Originally Posted by NYCMacFan View Post

Right, but my question is about the weight. That might explain the battery life.

By the way, with LED screens, a 1.6 processor (and certainly with an SSD), the Apple should have a long battery life. If it doesn't that should be due to a smaller batttery and so it should be lighter. I just don't follow the weight issue here. Panasonic also has a 14.4 with a DVD drive for 3.4 and so why is the Apple 3.0? Can't understand...

The chosen processors has everything to do with the battery life. A ULV system can be lighter and still last longer on power because the CPU consumes a lot less power, But it's slower too. You can't have everything. Apple's MBAir is probably the lightest LV-based notebook there is.

SSD vs. 1.8" HD is probably very negligible. The power efficiency of SSD is overhyped, I think the faster flash used in SSD might consume just as much power.
post #249 of 400
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The chosen processors has everything to do with the battery life. A ULV system can be lighter and still last longer on power because the CPU consumes a lot less power, But it's slower too. You can't have everything. Apple's MBAir is probably the lightest LV-based notebook there is.

SSD vs. 1.8" HD is probably very negligible. The power efficiency of SSD is overhyped, I think the faster flash used in SSD might consume just as much power.

Should still be pure weight savings with SSD to compensate for larger battery. Also has LED that saves some weight and power. A Toshiba R500 with an SSD is 1.75 lbs. That is with a 12inch screen and a ULV. But also with an internal optical drive, relatively thin and lots of ports.

Don't get me wrong, I'm an Apple person, but am a touch surprised on weight and width (lots of space to left and right of keyboard and screen).
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Originally Posted by palegolas View Post

It's really neat, and slim.. and light weight.. but unnecessarily wide and deep It must have been possible to shrink away the phat borders on the side of the screen.


Visualize a series of distributed force vectors around the arcs. If you have an equidistant arc radius the force is distributed equally. If you cut that arc on the sides it weakens the entire structure.

Sorry, but that would be an insult to engineering and a massive lawsuit, especially when it starts damaging the screen because someone thought artistically it could have cut corners.

They've cut enough corners.
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Good thing Apple is not letting any of you clowns run their company.
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Should still be pure weight savings with SSD to compensate for larger battery. Also has LED that saves some weight and power. A Toshiba R500 with an SSD is 1.75 lbs. That is with a 12inch screen and a ULV. But also with an internal optical drive, relatively thin and lots of ports.

Don't get me wrong, I'm an Apple person, but am a touch surprised on weight and width (lots of space to left and right of keyboard and screen).

The 1.75Lbs R500 has an SSD and no optical drive.
The R500 with an optical drive and standard hard drive though starts at 2.4 Lbs.
It is still much lighter though... so its a good question as to why.

The R500 does have a smaller screen (albiet only 12" verses 13"). Perhaps its not built/reinforced as much as the MBA? That's pure speculation though. Perhaps the ULV verses LV processor/mainboard make the difference.
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That is a good question. The R500 has an optical drive and more connectivity, but weighs less. With a standard hard drive though, an R500 starts at 2.4 Lbs.

It does have a smaller screen (albiet only 12" verses 13"). Perhaps its not built/reinforced as much as the MBA? That's pure speculation though. Perhaps the ULV verses LV processor/mainboard make the difference.

Okay lets assume that the LV uses more energy (and so needs a bigger battery). Isn't this offset but a lack of an optical drive and the great LED. LED should be both lighter and consumer less energy. I too hope it is better reinforcement.

You have a panasonic with a 14inch screen and an optical drive for 3.4 by the way... And its narrower than the Apple 13inch. What's up with that!!!!!!!!!!!!
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For the record, the current model of my Panasonic, the Y7 has the 1.8 core2duo, 2gb ram, 160gb HDD, 8 hour stated (probably 5 hour real, mine is) battery life, 14.1" screen, and 3.3 lbs. Again - I am not bashing the Air, just pointing out that others are meeting similar benchmarks with more features for same/less money..

From what I can tell the Panasonic something like $800 more with only 512MB of RAM and a 60 gig drive. Apple really did price the MacBook Air aggressively.

The most important aspect of the Air is the 3 pound weight. However they wanted to be the "worst _____est" something, so they are trumpeting the thinness. The thinness is cool, but's it's the lightness that I'll appreciate.

I suspect that the engineers were told "make it the thinnest" and keep it to 3.0 lbs. It must have been a tough call not to budge on those constraints to allow a 160gig option for an extra $100 (like the 2 versions of the iPod Classic). 80 gig is barely adequate I'd say. Whoever suggested a 32 gig SSD option would have been good hasn't really thought it through. You'd be hard pressed to install the OS and a set of basic apps on 32 gig and then where is your VM swap space that OS X is addicted to?

Oh I forgot the link for the Panasonic: http://www.icube.us/product_detail.c...odel/CF-Y5.cfm
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No. Apple will never revise this. Apple NEVER revises any of their machines. We're just imagining all of this. Actually, Apple still makes the Mac 128, the rest is just Job's RDF. We THINK Apple has had new, and revised machines.

So, this machine will be here 'till the end of time (esp considering that it's really a Mac 128 with a portable gasoline generator that we can't see).

I knew it, at least someone else sees it too. I knew I wasn't crazy.
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post #256 of 400
it is totally elegant & simple.

I don't know about most people who work in offices/at home/in the field...but for me an important consideration to keep my "flow" going is having simplicity around me. I like my office clean, I prefer my workspace neat & tidy...I don't want a lot of junk & clutter around me..something about the space around me being a reflection of my mind's state.

The MBA is so utterly clean & elegant that it's almost...relaxing..to look at. When I look at the competition, like that Panasonic CF-W7 (even the name is untidy!), I just can't get over how ugly it is. It's so ugly, and inelegant & non-linear & clunky that it would give me minor panic-attacks to work on it. I like Apple's consistently elegant form factor in their products because it contributes to an over-all, "I just know this product is going to work & continue to work in an I-don't-have-to-think-about-it" way. Windows machines never look pretty, always look like clunky robot-hybrid Ed Wood Jr. B-film nightmares and guess what? As most of us know, they often perform about as well in day-to-day ease of use.

When I look at the market Apple is competing in, I think they've once-again nailed it. What is there on the market to compare it to? Nothing, because it's a Mac running OS X. If you want a windows machine with your 20 i/o ports, DVD-burner, 10x the features & dog-ugly case...then go get one already! But, joke's on you, you will still be running Windows

Some of the detractors of this machine (those who want to compare it to Panasonic this, or Sony that) aren't understanding who this machine is potentially marketed at. Perhaps I am not understanding Apple's Market, but I see this machine geared towards that already-Apple savvy traveling exec. who wants to keep his/her work-flow Apple from beginning to end. For that person, this machine makes much sense. If you need more power, there is certainly the MBP. Not everyone who travels works with video/graphics/games/high CPU intensive apps. A lot of people just want spreadsheet, e-mail, word processing, etc. Also, for the average (non-business) person, the light weight of this machine makes a lot of sense. A student, for example, often doesn't need more than WP, Spreadsheet, E-mail, music...every pound you can remove from the back-pack makes a lot of sense..that book bag is pretty heavy by the end of a long day at school.


btw: what's up with the tension here in this thread & elsewhere on AI today?
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post #257 of 400
it's thin i'll give it that. and not overly expensive either. i have to say i've never felt the need to put a notebook in an envelope but i'm sure there's a person or two out there who have... good luck to their screens.

seriously though its an impressive piece of technology but does anyone else think that apple have taken this thin thing a little too seriously. it is still bigger than an A4 piece of paper in all dimensions which makes it slightly bigger than most things i run around with. i've always found thickness to be the least important factor/dimension in a portable notebook. that sony thing they talked about is slightly smaller in the other 2 dimensions and frankly my world works in 3d. from what i see the air is 2 thirds battery. i see an area for large amounts of (further) research expenditure. just my 2 cents.
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Personally, I could not care less about an optical drive, but am curious to note the Toshiba is also thin, and comes in at just 2.4lbs (albeit with a 12inch screen, but it also has a DVD burner and lots of ports). I thought the SSD version is like 1.75lbs (again 12inch but with DVD and lots of ports). Why is the Apple so heavy?

That's a good question. I assume the answer is battery life.
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Impressive. I really like the idea of this machine, and there aren't too many areas where one could say that Apple skimped too much... except... has anyone else noticed the lack of any way to use any sort of mobile broadband such as the Sprint cards in the Sony TZ or any of the solutions from Verizon or ATT/Cingular? Seems to me that the person most inclined to purchase this system is also the one most apt to miss this feature?
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Impressive. I really like the idea of this machine, and there aren't too many areas where one could say that Apple skimped too much... except... has anyone else noticed the lack of any way to use any sort of mobile broadband such as the Sprint cards in the Sony TZ or any of the solutions from Verizon or ATT/Cingular? Seems to me that the person most inclined to purchase this system is also the one most apt to miss this feature?

That is one thing i thought this would have. We are expecting a 4G iPhone sometime this year which mean AT&T would haev to beef up their network considerably, which i hear they are doing, so putting in an HSDPA card would have been good for me.
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HD size - not everyone needs 160 gb, but many of us do. You have a drive that size, let me have an option to put it in, and I'll accept the loss of 15 minutes of battery life.

160GB 1.8" HDDs have two platters and are therefore too thick to fit. I expect the first speedbump will include the option of a single-platter HDD with more than 80GB. I suppose the first speedbump will come when Montevina is released.
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Less here mostly means volume. There is very little that isn't in it, other than the DVD burner.

Most other comparable machines don't have one either.

They took 2006's MacBook, took out half the parts, and doubled the price. It's a very very elegant piece of machinery, but the sum of the parts equals $800, not $1800.
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They took 2006's MacBook, took out half the parts, and doubled the price. It's a very very elegant piece of machinery, but the sum of the parts equals $800, not $1800.

And research, development and assembly account nothing? smaller computers always cost more. If you want the most bang for your buck then you need to stay away from all mobile computers.
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They took 2006's MacBook, took out half the parts, and doubled the price. It's a very very elegant piece of machinery, but the sum of the parts equals $800, not $1800.

Hey, Glass Half Empty, they only took out one major part. Smaller components, more power efficient parts simply cost more.
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They took 2006's MacBook, took out half the parts, and doubled the price. It's a very very elegant piece of machinery, but the sum of the parts equals $800, not $1800.

To start, let's see the comparative parts list.
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160GB 1.8" HDDs have two platters and are therefore too thick to fit. I expect the first speedbump will include the option of a single-platter HDD with more than 80GB. I suppose the first speedbump will come when Montevina is released.

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Hey, Glass Half Empty, they only took out one major part. Smaller components, more power efficient parts simply cost more.

Not fair! Who said you could use logic?
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post #267 of 400
I like it. It is a good trade off between usability and features/form factor. Apple hasn't been traditionally shy about asking it's consumers to change their practices. I do believe they were the first to dump the floppy drive.
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Oh I forgot the link for the Panasonic: http://www.icube.us/product_detail.c...odel/CF-Y5.cfm

Are you referring to the one wih 512 RAM starting at $2429. Weighing 3.3 lbs and is 1.3" thick.

Oh it does have a battery life of8.5 hours. However, be careful that is if you only play music on it. Otherwise it chews energy just like every other portable.

Nice wheel pad though. And it does come with great software, i.e., Vista. Oops, no camera. And if you want to connect it to your big monitor, don't forget to pay extra for the connection. Slower wireless. And it looks you have to buy the AC adapter is an accessory. No Bluetooth. But it also comes with a 'super' Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950 and a SuperMulti DVD, but it is fixed whatever that may mean.

And for those that are touting the Toshibas, their starting weight is 2.4 lbs. But you need a battery and that will add a minimum of 0.4 lbs. RGB output port only. Etc,, etc., etc.

Read the fine print guys to see the real cost.
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Impressive. I really like the idea of this machine, and there aren't too many areas where one could say that Apple skimped too much... except... has anyone else noticed the lack of any way to use any sort of mobile broadband such as the Sprint cards in the Sony TZ or any of the solutions from Verizon or ATT/Cingular? Seems to me that the person most inclined to purchase this system is also the one most apt to miss this feature?

A number of them are USB devices (see http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/verizon/v...ced-313177.php for $50 for one of the 3 options Verizon offers).

What would be really slick (well ok, it's pretty basic, but you can't do it today :-( ) would be allowing one to use their iPhone as a modem for the MacBook Air via BlueTooth. I really hope they offer that--and pitch it--when the eventual 3G iPhone arrives.

But seriously isn't it pretty straight forward to use a cell phone to get your laptop on the 'net? A few years ago I looked into it with Verizon and it was a real hack to (allegedly) get it to work.
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I am very disappointed with this MBA. This thing is going to flop huge- think about it- this is a downgrade in performance from the macbook, and its thinner by less than an inch, but costs 700 bucks more. This isn't really any more portable- it actually has bigger dimensions than the macbook aside from the thickness. I can't see people paying 700 more for that thin aspect. Honestly I think this is a sort of tech showoff novelty. There is no way Apple can expect this thing to actually be a hit as far as sales are concerned. You can just get wayyyyyyyyy too much in the computer world for 1700 bucks to buy this thing. It is cool, but completely pointless to buy. There is no way this will fit anywhere your MB won't.
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Are you referring to the one wih 512 RAM starting at $2429. Weighing 3.3 lbs and is 1.3" thick.

Oh it does have a battery life of8.5 hours. However, be careful that is if you only play music on it. Otherwise it chews energy just like every other portable.

Nice wheel pad though. And it does come with great software, i.e., Vista. Oops, no camera. And if you want to connect it to your big monitor, don't forget to pay extra for the connection. Slower wireless. And it looks you have to buy the AC adapter is an accessory. No Bluetooth. But it also comes with a 'super' Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950 and a SuperMulti DVD, but it is fixed whatever that may mean.

And for those that are touting the Toshibas, their starting weight is 2.4 lbs. But you need a battery and that will add a minimum of 0.4 lbs. RGB output port only. Etc,, etc., etc.

Read the fine print guys to see the real cost.

Panasonic Toughbooks are always very pricey compared to other machines for their size and always with specs from 18-24 months prior. Their cliental is those who need a semi-rugged notebook.
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I am very disappointed with this MBA. This thing is going to flop huge- think about it- this is a downgrade in performance from the macbook, and its thinner by less than an inch, but costs 700 bucks more. This isn't really any more portable- it actually has bigger dimensions than the macbook aside from the thickness. I can't see people paying 700 more for that thin aspect. Honestly I think this is a sort of tech showoff novelty. There is no way Apple can expect this thing to actually be a hit as far as sales are concerned. You can just get wayyyyyyyyy too much in the computer world for 1700 bucks to buy this thing. It is cool, but completely pointless to buy. There is no way this will fit anywhere your MB won't.

Except that it's heavier, which means that there is a few pound of something I'm not taking because my MacBook is twice as heavy as the Air. Plus, i have to take 2 extra batteries to get 5 hours out of my MacBook.
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I am very disappointed with this MBA. This thing is going to flop huge- think about it- this is a downgrade in performance from the macbook, and its thinner by less than an inch, but costs 700 bucks more. This isn't really any more portable- it actually has bigger dimensions than the macbook aside from the thickness. I can't see people paying 700 more for that thin aspect. Honestly I think this is a sort of tech showoff novelty. There is no way Apple can expect this thing to actually be a hit as far as sales are concerned. You can just get wayyyyyyyyy too much in the computer world for 1700 bucks to buy this thing. It is cool, but completely pointless to buy. There is no way this will fit anywhere your MB won't.

Except for an envelope.


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Impressive. I really like the idea of this machine, and there aren't too many areas where one could say that Apple skimped too much... except... has anyone else noticed the lack of any way to use any sort of mobile broadband such as the Sprint cards in the Sony TZ or any of the solutions from Verizon or ATT/Cingular? Seems to me that the person most inclined to purchase this system is also the one most apt to miss this feature?

Dunno about Verizon, but Sprint has a few USB EVDO cards.
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Impressive. I really like the idea of this machine, and there aren't too many areas where one could say that Apple skimped too much... except... has anyone else noticed the lack of any way to use any sort of mobile broadband such as the Sprint cards in the Sony TZ or any of the solutions from Verizon or ATT/Cingular? Seems to me that the person most inclined to purchase this system is also the one most apt to miss this feature?

What's wrong with that thar' USB port?

Just as one example, here's a review of an EV-DO USB modem ... from 1.5 years ago, no less!

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Dunno about Verizon, but Sprint has a few USB EVDO cards.

Malax posted one from Verizon a few posts up. I didn't know these were out. I don't like the 24 month contract for it.
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post #276 of 400
I'm not sold on this being a good idea yet. first no floppy, now no optical drive? at least they had a compromise back then.. how the hell are you supposed to install linux or windows or how are you going to start up off disks? someone please explain to me what 11 year olds will do when they want to play games that require disks in the drive like the sims...

I dunno, maybe they really worked it out, but please let me know.
post #277 of 400
I'm exactly the person the MBA is marketed at.

I spend a third of my life in airplanes, airports and hotel rooms. I carry a late model PowerBook G4 with one extra battery, an Airport Express, a bluetooth mouse, headphones, a 60 GB older iPod and a small digital camera. When I get home, I dutifully plug in a 500 GB FW 800 drive to back up with, plug in an external 20" monitor, a nice set of speakers and an external bluetooth keyboard. So far, so good. I'm not going to switch to a windows machine, I like my "Apple Experience" quite well, thank you, so comparisons of whizzy Sony's and Dells will do nothing to sway me. I like my computer to just effin' *work*. But it is getting old, so...

Time to upgrade, it's been a couple o' years, so I've been looking forward to this new Power, er, ah... MacBook. How's this going to affect me? Let's see...

Currently I have ports in this Mac I don't ever use, a card slot, old firewire, S-Video and audio *in* are all useless to me. I rarely use the CD/DVD whatever burner in there - it does double-sided DVD's or somesuchthing, but it don't matter because I don't use it. Looking at the MBA all I'd lose is the FW 800, and that can be addressed by plugging in my 500 GB external to my older, round Airport Base Station via USB. Oh, right, that feature isn't supported. Darn you, Apple. Maybe have to buy one of those new integrated airports with disk. Not a deal breaker.

With a five hour (claimed) battery I can make it across the country on a single charge. I hope I don't have to sit on the tarmac in Newark for three hours waiting for the weather to clear so we can fly for three more hours to Denver. Sure wish United business class had power outlets in their seats.

Time to move my files over. Uh oh... On my current 80 GB drive I only have 1.49 GB free. Yeah, my iTunes library is up over 60 GB but I like my music and I have a handful of TV shows. I'd like to be able to have a larger hard drive, because let's face it, I'm just too lazy to spend a few hours and clean out some files I don't need.

Darn it, if it wasn't for the 80 GB drive this would be the perfect computer for me. I was looking forward to a disk *upgrade*. That's a deal breaker. Looks like I'll be back to another, reliable old aluminum PowerBook. MacBook. Whatever.

-Gator
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Apple have another hit on their hands.
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Originally Posted by xirtus View Post

I'm not sold on this being a good idea yet. first no floppy, now no optical drive? at least they had a compromise back then.. how the hell are you supposed to install linux or windows or how are you going to start up off disks? someone please explain to me what 11 year olds will do when they want to play games that require disks in the drive like the sims...

I dunno, maybe they really worked it out, but please let me know.

LOL. You have a large number of options to install windows or linux, use the target disk mode and use the CD/DVD drive in another computer, use an external drive, or use a $18 (4gb) USB thumb drive like I do.

Also got a 8gb drive for $37, thank you fatwallet. But I havent needed to even open it yet.

I dont let my 14 year old play on my $700 laptop, noone in their right mind should be letting their children play with an $1800 laptop.
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Been thinking about this. I will probably buy, but still a bit of a let down. I don't mind the prices and may even go with the SSD. Unlike others I am a big fan of the full sized keyboard and full sized screen. Having said that, I have 4 concerns (I wrote about them earlier):

1. I think this could have been less than 3 lbs, maybe 12.5. I look at Toshiba and Panasonic offerings. They are not as thin, but lighter and smaller footprint. Some of those have 12inch screens, but they also have optical drives and a ton of ports. I don't want an optical drive or ports, but I do want to know why this MBA isn't gosh darn lighter given it skimps on all of those. I mean a panasonic R500 is 12inch, with an optical drive and is 1.75 lbs.

2. But it could have been narrower. I am typing on in iBook G4 12inch. I note the foot print of the MBA is wider than the existing MB and even a 14inch Panasonic. What's up with the wasted space to the left and right of the keyboard and screen. Rivals don't use this space. I really wonder if this tapered design has led to wasting space. If this was more square like an PB G4 12inch, would this have been lighter and narrower (albeit not the world's thinest).

3. I don't mind that the battery is not removable that much, but again would accept this compromise if it had a longer listed battery time or lighter weight. 5 hours with an LED is not that impressive. The SSD had better be lighter and offer battery life.

4. Speaking of which, why is there no listing of battery life and weight with SSD as other manufacturers do. I am supposed to pre-order with no word on this? I am sure someone asked on this in meetings at Apple. So the question is why didn't they choose to list it.
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