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They were on the iPhone from the beginning.

say what? what was from the beginning?
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To answer your question. The Maps features works based on your position relative to cell phone towers. The company providing this service (Skyhook Wireless) are an American company currently doing a global scan of cell phone towers and wireless hotspots to provide services like this. I know because Steve mentioned it during the keynote and I did some driving/scanning for them in Belgium. Interesting job! And I feel I've contributed to this technology in a very small yet significant way.

That I know. :-) but this is the iPod touch. No mobile phone masts to triangulate from....

Mobile phone masts know where they are, surely routers only know where they are logically not geographically?????

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Maps

Get directions and check traffic with Google Maps. Even find yourself, wherever you are. Using some local Wi-Fi networks (if Wi-Fi is turned on), iPod touch finds your approximate location and gives directions from there. Mark specific locations, find the best route between them and search for points of interest along the way. With a hybrid map and satellite view, you can see major street names on top of satellite images.
post #43 of 170
Long time watcher of apple and over the last while 'migrated' to apple.
First an ipod mini, then appletv, macbook pro and 16Gb ipod touch ... all brilliant ... until now.
Its not the $20, its the principal.
Already paid for my ipod touch why should I have to pay more?
my faith in apple is dropping
post #44 of 170
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How about: I had updated my Touch to 1.1.3 and a little later bought the application upgrade before I made the post.

You're a tad late, I already checked myself, we've moved onto the fact that 1.1.3 on iPod touch does not include any of the important updates added to iPhone. Those are in App Pack for iPod touch (AKA iPod touch January Software Update)

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say what? what was from the beginning?

He still seems to be mostly upset about the apps. I myself don't care about the apps. The key to my irritation is the 3 things added to iPhone free which we could have gotten free but did not (Home Screen rearranging, Web Clips and Lyrics).

I'm not paying £12.99 on top of £199 just to add those. No. Freaking. Way.

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He still seems to be mostly upset about the apps. I myself don't care about the apps. The key to my irritation is the 3 things added to iPhone free which we could have gotten free but did not (Home Screen rearranging, Web Clips and Lyrics).

I'm not paying £12.99 on top of £199 just to add those. No. Freaking. Way.

I totally agree, I wouldn't want to pay that much for additional features either....
post #47 of 170
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I will be gladly paying the £12.99 for the host of new features that are on offer which certainly were never listed nor implied in the original specifications. This is a huge capability uplift for a very small cost (although of course we're naturally paying more in the UK!).

Toyota have never offered me an upgrade on my car, Panasonic have never offered me an upgrade on our Home Cinema equipment. Thank you Apple for offering us this upgrade without having to buy new hardware.

precisely - first post to make sense in this thread. the bloody whiners are at it again.
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post #48 of 170
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Originally Posted by skottichan View Post

Again, bad analogy. The iPod is a personal media player, and iPhone is a phone. If they'd left out Maps or Mail from the iPhone, then charged for their later implementation, then I'd understand the indignation. The iPod is for playing audio and video media, the addition of Safari and Youtube are wonderful bonuses, but it still doesn't make the iPod a phone/web device. Mail and Maps is useless without internet on demand, so it's a luxury to add them to the Touch. More importantly, developer fees are part of the $20, since the same developer licensing fees were absorbed in the initial price like all other cell phones. This way those of us who don't want/need this new stuff, didn't have to pay for it up front.

Not a bad analogy at all. Same tech goes into both, the iPhone comes out first, with more apps, then Apple adds them on (at little or no development cost) to the touch and then wants to charge $20 for it.

Its a blatant rip off.
post #49 of 170
If you are like me, you just purchased your iPod Touch for Christmas a few weeks ago, for full price. Well, Apple has nicely upgraded the software already and made your new Touch "out of date". New users should get the update for free. REMEMBER the iPhone price controversy just a month or so ago! Start calling and emailing Apple and we will get what we deserve! If enough of us contact Apple about this, they will see the light.
post #50 of 170
Charging for updates that are free on the iPhone does look like a rip off, but consider the alternative...

2008 Touch includes new features
2007 Touch owners are stuck with the features that shipped in 2007

Instead you have the choice of sticking with your 2007 model or upgrading to the 2008 for $20.

Do you people honestly expect to get the next 5 years' worth of added features free?
post #51 of 170
Not to worry, guys. I'm sure the update will be all over the Net within a matter of weeks, as soon as 1.1.3 is jailbroken. Patience.

Not that I'm advocating piracy, mind you. That would be wrong!

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Charging for updates that are free on the iPhone does look like a rip off, but consider the alternative...

2008 Touch includes new features
2007 Touch owners are stuck with the features that shipped in 2007

Instead you have the choice of sticking with your 2007 model or upgrading to the 2008 for $20.

Do you people honestly expect to get the next 5 years' worth of added features free?

People said right from the Touch's introduction that there was no good reason for Apple to leave off the missing apps that the iPhone shipped with months earlier. Most of those apps worked better with Wifi than over the deathly slow 2.5G network. The only possible reason was to differentiate the Touch from the iPhone, but the phone and camera features already did that. Now Apple admits there's no good reason by making those apps standard on the 2008 model.
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Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post

Charging for updates that are free on the iPhone does look like a rip off, but consider the alternative...

2008 Touch includes new features
2007 Touch owners are stuck with the features that shipped in 2007

Instead you have the choice of sticking with your 2007 model or upgrading to the 2008 for $20.

Do you people honestly expect to get the next 5 years' worth of added features free?

To do this just after christmas, right after everyone has just bought one shows the contempt Apple has for its customers.
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Long time watcher of apple and over the last while 'migrated' to apple.
First an ipod mini, then appletv, macbook pro and 16Gb ipod touch ... all brilliant ... until now.
Its not the $20, its the principal.
Already paid for my ipod touch why should I have to pay more?
my faith in apple is dropping

Cue the bitching - people have seen it work with the $100 store credit after the iPhone price drop, now the children have learned that their whining eventually gets them candy, so now we get to put up with this garbage.
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Cue the bitching - people have seen it work with the $100 store credit after the iPhone price drop, now the children have learned that their whining eventually gets them candy, so now we get to put up with this garbage.

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post #55 of 170
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say what? what was from the beginning?

The apps were on the iPhone from the beginning.
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Cue the bitching - people have seen it work with the $100 store credit after the iPhone price drop, now the children have learned that their whining eventually gets them candy, so now we get to put up with this garbage.

So they are waiting on a $10 store credit?

JLL

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post #57 of 170
I agree with you, just bought a new Touch a few weeks ago....and I have to pay another $20. Way to go Apple.

Call Apple at 408.996.1010 AND COMPLAIN

I did!
post #58 of 170
Oh snap!!


Just got the app pack, I didn't know about the Lyrics thing *dances*


I bought it, just for the ability to put my DeviantArt page as a button on my home page, that right there was worth the $20.
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Although I think the upgrade price is a bit steep, I agree that the extra features are worth paying something for. As someone else mentioned, you can't expect to get new software for old hardware, free of charge.

And you Americans certainly shouldn't be complaining because the Brits are paying more and the rest of Europe slightly more on top of that. My upgrade was 18 Euros which comes to 26.78 USD. I'm not complaining, just stating the facts. I'm also used to paying a European premium with Apple.

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Us Brits have been shafted big time by this software!

The 'Worldwide' Weather app doesn't recognise cities outside of the US.
It is the usual story, an American company fails to recognise other countries, it really pisses me off. They have put in the search to enter a Postcode (Trying to be British?) but try a UK postcode and it wont recognise it!

On that note, iTunes Movie Rental is not available in the UK!!

I have emailed Apple asking for a refund.
post #60 of 170
So you expect Apple to give it to you free, what do you think they are, some charity case ?
post #61 of 170
but i just bought the thing 15 days ago!!!
post #62 of 170
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So you expect Apple to give it to you free, what do you think they are, some charity case ?

If I am a new touch buyer I get it for free $299.
If I got the same machine yesterday I need to pay $20 + 299 for the same functionality. It costs Apple nothing to offer these apps for free. THe software is already done and they are offering it for free to theri new customers. That's where the smell is coming from.
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post #63 of 170
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If I am a new touch buyer I get it for free $299.
If I got the same machine yesterday I need to pay $20 + 299 for the same functionality. It costs Apple nothing to offer these apps for free. THe software is already done and they are offering it for free to theri new customers. That's where the smell is coming from.

Well too bad, if you bought it yesterday and these applications weren't on it what makes you think you should be able to get it for free a day later, forget the new ones getting them for free, you are not part of the new owners segment, you bought yours later and you get what you paid for, if you want to upgrade pay the 20 dollars.
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Give me a feaken break! Why exactly should these applications be free? I get tired of people thinking they should be given crap for free. Apple, like any other company is out to make money, period. They're not here to provide good will to consumers. I would hope you buy ANY product based on its capabilities at that time and not what you HOPE it will do at some point in the future. You're an idiot if you make purchasing decisions in that manner.

Yes, it would be nice for Apple to give away these applications for free, that doesn't mean they should have to. It's not like iPhone users got anything for free either.

PLeeze STFU- You're probably one of those whiners on here who constantly complains and blames "greedy" corporate music labels and movie studios when the prices for rental , downloads, etc goes up on iTunes, or leave Itunes. Face it Apple is greedy in itself. There is a short built in shelf life for all the iPods you keep replacing year after year. You probably whined for that free $100 rebate for the iPhone and got po'd when it wasn't $200. The $20 upgrade is total BS.
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So you expect Apple to give it to you free, what do you think they are, some charity case ?

Laugh now- wait til Apple starts charging you for software updates on the OS. That could be next.
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The apps were on the iPhone from the beginning.

YOUTUBE wasn't- Steve would charge you for that if he could.
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To do this just after christmas, right after everyone has just bought one shows the contempt Apple has for its customers.

Life's a bitch. You could have bought an HD DVD player at xmas and the contempt from Warner Bros. switching to Blu-Ray is far worse.
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$20 or £13 for software that should be free? Shove off Apple.

Blame Enron!
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post #69 of 170
Never mind the 20 bucks, it would be nice if the damn update worked period! Like some of you here I was a little pissed at the 20 dollar update but decided to go for it anyway. I down loaded version 1.1.3, then bought the January update package. My account was charged but no update. So now I have to go and deal with Apple to get my update or 20 back. Hell, I could get this kind of service from Microsoft.
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Blame Enron!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbanes-Oxley_Act

That's nonsense - why didn't AppleTV owners get charged for their updates? Those apps for the iTouch are hardly worthy of that price tag- come on! $2 is more like it.
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PLeeze STFU- You're probably one of those whiners on here who constantly complains and blames "greedy" corporate music labels and movie studios when the prices for rental , downloads, etc goes up on iTunes, or leave Itunes. Face it Apple is greedy in itself. There is a short built in shelf life for all the iPods you keep replacing year after year. You probably whined for that free $100 rebate for the iPhone and got po'd when it wasn't $200. The $20 upgrade is total BS.

During the 2006 MacWorld Jobs announced that the new AppleTV and iPhone that were coming out would use a *new* 24-month accounting model. Doing that would allow Apple the LEGAL ability to update those products with more than just a minor software update.

Since the iPod Touch is neither of these devices they are obligated by law to charge for any major updates. As to how much [they are required to charge], I don't know, but the law was set in place to protect the companies investors. Why they didn't out this device into the same 24-month accounting model? I don't know. Perhaps they couldn't if they used the iPod moniker.

The AppleTV and the iPhone have both received major updates that far outweigh the complexity and effort to port those apps to the iPod Touch so it's more than Apple being greed. After all, they could have charged for these updates if they had wanted.

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post #72 of 170
BS Solipsism. They could've charged less.
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BS Solipsism. They could've charged less.

And you desire for Apple to charge less make my post BS, how? I merely stated what was required by law; I made no argument for the price charged, in fact I mentioned I didn't know what the law requires in sense. I did post a link so anyone who wanted to could ingratiate themselves with the finer details.
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BS Solipsism. They could've charged less.

Yes, Apple's greedy, right? You should have the twenty dollars, not them, right? Because it's yours and not theirs, right?

When two parties are competing over who should get $20, what makes one of them greedy and not the other?
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During the 2006 MacWorld Jobs announced that the new AppleTV and iPhone that were coming out would use a *new* 24-month accounting model. Doing that would allow Apple the LEGAL ability to update those products with more than just a minor software update.

Since the iPod Touch is neither of these devices they are obligated by law to charge for any major updates. As to how much [they are required to charge], I don't know, but the law was set in place to protect the companies investors. Why they didn't out this device into the same 24-month accounting model? I don't know. Perhaps they couldn't if they used the iPod moniker.

The AppleTV and the iPhone have both received major updates that far outweigh the complexity and effort to port those apps to the iPod Touch so it's more than Apple being greed. After all, they could have charged for these updates if they had wanted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbanes-Oxley_Act

Since when does Steve Jobs teach Accounting at a keynote? I would like to see his exact quote from last year.
Firstly, No charge for AppleTV updates because the majority of buyers of ATVS were not happy with it and the upgrade also basically adds more money into Apple's iTunes pockets.
Secondly, iPhone is crucial to Apples continued success at this point and they could not afford another rebate fiasco on their hands.
Thirdly, those 4 iTouch apps @ $20 is frkn ridiculous! They are basically widgets that you can get for Leopard for free anywhere. The 5th app is again to buy more Apple itunes content.
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Since when does Steve Jobs teach Accounting at a keynote? I would like to see his exact quote from last year.
Firstly, No charge for AppleTV updates because the majority of buyers of ATVS were not happy with it and the upgrade also basically adds more money into Apple's iTunes pockets.
Secondly, iPhone is crucial to Apples continued success at this point and they could not afford another rebate fiasco on their hands.
Thirdly, those 4 iTouch apps @ $20 is frkn ridiculous! They are basically widgets that you can get for Leopard for free anywhere. The 5th app is again to buy more Apple itunes content.

Dude! This has nothing to with my feelings or yours toward Apple, or how you think the world should be run. I gave you more than a heads up, you can enlighten yourself to the rest of the facts from there.
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post #77 of 170
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I agree with you, just bought a new Touch a few weeks ago....and I have to pay another $20. Way to go Apple.

Call Apple at 408.996.1010 AND COMPLAIN

I did!

I've got a new complaint. Once you upgrade to iTunes 7.6, you can't even sync your iPod Touch without seeing an ad for the new software update (not a dialog-- a full page ad in the content area of iTunes) and either buying it or clicking "Remind Me Later".

There's no button for "Never Bug Me About It Again".
post #78 of 170
Even worse! It bugs you about buying this software EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU RUN iTUNES WITH THE TOUCH ATTACHED.
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That I know. :-) but this is the iPod touch. No mobile phone masts to triangulate from....

Mobile phone masts know where they are, surely routers only know where they are logically not geographically?????


I may have forgotten to mention that the scan included wireless hotspots. These can also be triangulated and thus, your position calculated.

The whole of north america has been covered as well as most major european cities. As a result if you live anywhere that is densily populated with good wifi coverage within the US or Europe, you should get a fairly accurate reading.
post #80 of 170
Well I didn't buy an ipod touch yet so it looks like I win!
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