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post #41 of 91
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

The new iMacs are pretty damn thin. If not for the chin I wouldn't think they were complete systems.

People used to say the "damn Macbook is pretty thin" too.

Imagine the next iMac looks like the current generation of Cinema 24.
post #42 of 91
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Originally Posted by johnqh View Post

People used to say the "damn Macbook is pretty thin" too.

Imagine the next iMac looks like the current generation of Cinema 24.

Isn't the current iMac about as thin?
post #43 of 91
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

Isn't the current iMac about as thin?

I believe it's thinner at the edges but bulges slightly in the center back. It still has a big ol chin that will set it apart. i don't see Apple getting rid of that feature anytime soon as it contains the logo and "thin is in".
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post #44 of 91
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Dude! Still only 5 hours of battery life.

The notebooks based on ULV chips can get 10+ hours in some cases, but that trades off speed, and is more expensive. Often you need to get the optional bigger battery to do that.

"5 hours is not done using the SteveMark set of benchmarks (every possible function disabled). Rather, the MacBook Air was tested with wireless on, screen brightness between half and full, and made to run productivity-related work."
post #45 of 91
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

Isn't the current iMac about as thin?

Go to Apple Store and take a look. You won't mistake those two.

1. iMac has a big ugly chin.
2. iMac has bulges in the rear center.

The iMac is significantly heavier and bulkier than the cinema display. BTW, the Dell XPS One is catching up with iMac on the looks. Actually, I think it looks better than iMac (due to the lack of the chin).

Keep in mind, having a thin dimension and low weight is not only green, but also saves Apple significant shipping cost.

So, let's dream...a line of Macs based on thinner LCD (why cannot they make desktop LCD as thin as the laptop LCD?), add Mac-on-a-board.

With Flash HD and small LCD (10 to 12"), it is the Tablet Mac. - under 0.5" thick
With 1.8" HD, 15" to 17" LCD, it is the eMac. - under 1" thick.

With 3.5" HD, optical drive, 20" to 24" LCD, it is the iMac. - under 1.5" thick including the bulge in the back.
post #46 of 91
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Originally Posted by der passant View Post

Comparing MacBook Air to the MacBook is not a fair comparison. Its like comparing the MacBook to one of Dells 2inch thick desktop replacement laptops. That is not its competition. You need to compare its performance to other ultralight notebooks.

It's not a "which is the best machine to buy" comparison, it's a performance comparison, and the Air lags. No need to get all defensive about it. The performance will be worse than the cheapest MacBook. Deal with it.
post #47 of 91
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Originally Posted by sennen View Post

what do you expect, considering the lower clock speed?! compared to it's direct competition, it will stack u pretty well.

No, even at the same clock speed the Air will be slower because of the slower hard disk and other compromises. Even the SSD has slower sustained read/write performance than a hard disk.
post #48 of 91
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Originally Posted by merdhead View Post

No, even at the same clock speed the Air will be slower because of the slower hard disk and other compromises. Even the SSD has slower sustained read/write performance than a hard disk.

Who cares.

You know, in actual fact, for 95+% of what I (and others like me) intend to do - PPT presentations, Excel, Word, iWork, SPSS with data files that are not larger than a few thousand data points, DVD watching and some CD burning (w/external media drive), and pretty much most of what I do on the web - 1.6GHz is PLENTY.

And, the types of uses I've listed above -- and users like me, who will use this primarily as a secondary, portable CPU -- are what this product is aimed at. This and my iPhone are all I need for the travel part of my life.

Why is it so difficult for folks to understand that this is not aimed at the heavy-duty MBP user?! This product will expand Apple's market, not substitute for either a $2800 MBP nor a $1300 MB.
post #49 of 91
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Dude! Still only 5 hours of battery life.

The notebooks based on ULV chips can get 10+ hours in some cases, but that trades off speed, and is more expensive. Often you need to get the optional bigger battery to do that.

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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

"5 hours is not done using the SteveMark set of benchmarks (every possible function disabled). Rather, the MacBook Air was tested with wireless on, screen brightness between half and full, and made to run productivity-related work."

Yes. And perhaps more important, the longer battery lives, i.e., 10+ hours (Sony) were measured when playing mp3 files only!
post #50 of 91
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Who cares.

You know, in actual fact, for 95+% of what I (and others like me) intend to do - PPT presentations, Excel, Word, iWork, SPSS with data files that are not larger than a few thousand data points, DVD watching and some CD burning (w/external media drive), and pretty much most of what I do on the web - 1.6GHz is PLENTY.

And, the types of uses I've listed above -- and users like me, who will use this primarily as a secondary, portable CPU -- are what this product is aimed at. This and my iPhone are all I need for the travel part of my life.

Why is it so difficult for folks to understand that this is not aimed at the heavy-duty MBP user?! This product will expand Apple's market, not substitute for either a $2800 MBP nor a $1300 MB.

Right on! And for those that disagree, let's see you argue with this guy… http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/te...ewanted=1&_r=2
post #51 of 91
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Originally Posted by netdog View Post

Boy, are you going to look dumb soon.

I hope your right, I really do. However, I have a feeling it's going to be the 3rd revision that will see some success, if it gets there.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's hot. Thou, It's just like others have posted... everyone thinks it's nice, but nobody is going to buy one.
Maybe it's too expensive, maybe it's that people on this forum, all my clients, friends and associates need more power and options.

I can however, definitely see Hollywood stars packing these things around to check email and buy sunglasses online.

Would be nice if games didn't need an optical disc to play.
post #52 of 91
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Originally Posted by rain View Post

I hope your right, I really do. However, I have a feeling it's going to be the 3rd revision that will see some success, if it gets there.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's hot. Thou, It's just like others have posted... everyone thinks it's nice, but nobody is going to buy one.
Maybe it's too expensive, maybe it's that people on this forum, all my clients, friends and associates need more power and options.

I can however, definitely see Hollywood stars packing these things around to check email and buy sunglasses online.

Would be nice if games didn't need an optical disc to play.

Did you not read the above link?
post #53 of 91
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Hold up there Apple Insider. Anand is just speculating. There is some contradictory evidence on Apple's own developer page for the MacBook Air that suggests it may be a different chip.

"Intel Advanced Digital Media Boost accelerates data manipulation by applying a single instruction to multiple data at the same time, known as SIMD processing. SIMD technology accelerates vector math operations and floating-point calculations. Advanced Digital Media Boost supports Intel

Streaming SIMD Extensions (SSE) versions 1, 2, 3, and 4 and allows the processor to execute most 128-bit instructions every clock cycle.: As far I know, Merom doesn't have and can't have the SSE4 instruction code.


Not to rock the boat with my first AI post but the page that you linked to doesn't mention anything about SSE version 4. The paragraph that you quoted above doesn't include version 4, only 1, 2 and 3.

Maybe Apple updated the site between the time that you looked at it and the time that I looked at it.
post #54 of 91
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Who cares.

You know, in actual fact, for 95+% of what I (and others like me) intend to do - PPT presentations, Excel, Word, iWork, SPSS with data files that are not larger than a few thousand data points, DVD watching and some CD burning (w/external media drive), and pretty much most of what I do on the web - 1.6GHz is PLENTY.

And, the types of uses I've listed above -- and users like me, who will use this primarily as a secondary, portable CPU -- are what this product is aimed at. This and my iPhone are all I need for the travel part of my life.

Why is it so difficult for folks to understand that this is not aimed at the heavy-duty MBP user?! This product will expand Apple's market, not substitute for either a $2800 MBP nor a $1300 MB.

Who cares about your mindless speculation? Who knows what Apple were thinking when they designed it and what people will use it for. Lets stick to the facts:

- the performance is less that the slowest MacBook
- the footprint is about the same as the MacBook
- the thickness is not much different to the MacBook, about 0.35" at the thickest point
- less ports, drives and flexibility

The Air wins on:

- weight
- more durable metal casing
- better looks

Apple in its time has walked a fine like between form and function. Sometimes they cross that line, like with the Cube. I think this might be another case of it. It generally happens when they take away functionality for the sake of form. I think they should have removed the case curves and made the footprint smaller. This matters a lot, for example in an airline seat. My predication: this will not be a wild seller.
post #55 of 91
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Originally Posted by jayalexander View Post

Not to rock the boat with my first AI post but the page that you linked to doesn't mention anything about SSE version 4. The paragraph that you quoted above doesn't include version 4, only 1, 2 and 3.

Maybe Apple updated the site between the time that you looked at it and the time that I looked at it.

Obviously they did change it since my post.
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post #56 of 91
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Originally Posted by merdhead View Post

Who cares about your mindless speculation?

I certainly (and apparently, at least a couple of others) do!

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Originally Posted by merdhead View Post

Apple in its time has walked a fine like between form and function.

Mindless speculation #1.

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Originally Posted by merdhead View Post

Sometimes they cross that line, like with the Cube. I think this might be another case of it.

Mindless speculation #2.

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Originally Posted by merdhead View Post

It generally happens when they take away functionality for the sake of form. I think they should have removed the case curves and made the footprint smaller.

Mindless speculation #3.

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Originally Posted by merdhead View Post

My predication [sic]: this will not be a wild seller.

Mindless speculation #4.

Pot. Kettle. Black.
post #57 of 91
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Originally Posted by merdhead View Post

It's not a "which is the best machine to buy" comparison, it's a performance comparison, and the Air lags.

Of course it lags. The machine was designed for minimum size and weight. And you don't get that by having the fastest available processors. For a machine this size, performance is pretty damn good, look at what other companies offer for three pounds.

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- the thickness is not much different to the MacBook, about 0.35" at the thickest point

That difference is 40% thicker. I wouldn't consider a 40% difference "not much different".
post #58 of 91
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Who cares.

You know, in actual fact, for 95+% of what I (and others like me) intend to do - PPT presentations, Excel, Word, iWork, SPSS with data files that are not larger than a few thousand data points, DVD watching and some CD burning (w/external media drive), and pretty much most of what I do on the web - 1.6GHz is PLENTY.

And, the types of uses I've listed above -- and users like me, who will use this primarily as a secondary, portable CPU -- are what this product is aimed at. This and my iPhone are all I need for the travel part of my life.

Why is it so difficult for folks to understand that this is not aimed at the heavy-duty MBP user?! This product will expand Apple's market, not substitute for either a $2800 MBP nor a $1300 MB.

The whole point is that for what you do a MB does the exact same thing even better, but for 700 dollars less. There is no way in hell that extra half inch of thickness is going to be worth that for anyone other than die hard Apple fans like you who will justify anything Mac puts out. From reading some of these posts I can see that Steve Jobs could take a dump on a shiny plate, charge a grand for it, and some of you guys would buy it and tout the greatness of it. I see what people mean with this whole fanboy thing.
post #59 of 91
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

I certainly (and apparently, at least a couple of others) do!



Mindless speculation #1.



Mindless speculation #2.



Mindless speculation #3.



Mindless speculation #4.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

No, they're a value judgements, opinions based on what we know. Maybe try using a dictionary before you use any more English.
post #60 of 91
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Originally Posted by tuneman07 View Post

The whole point is that for what you do a MB does the exact same thing even better, but for 700 dollars less. There is no way in hell that extra half inch of thickness is going to be worth that for anyone other than die hard Apple fans like you who will justify anything Mac puts out. From reading some of these posts I can see that Steve Jobs could take a dump on a shiny plate, charge a grand for it, and some of you guys would buy it and tout the greatness of it. I see what people mean with this whole fanboy thing.

I dunno. I'd like to see the specs of the turd and the shiny plate before I make a judgement.

The funniest thing for me is how these people want to walk both sides of the road - it's limited because it's so small, but it's not really that small. And it's expensive, it works out to about $22 per 1/100th of an inch of thickness difference.

Now I love my Mac, and I was waiting to put down my money, even $2,000+ for a small machine. The limitations don't bother me so much, it's just that it's not small. For practical purposes it's no smaller than a MacBook in situations where it matters - a cramped seat, a small carry-on. The reduced weight and volume are nice, but the old 12" still beats this hands down.
post #61 of 91
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Originally Posted by tuneman07 View Post

The whole point is that for what you do a MB does the exact same thing even better, but for 700 dollars less. There is no way in hell that extra half inch of thickness is going to be worth that for anyone other than die hard Apple fans like you who will justify anything Mac puts out. From reading some of these posts I can see that Steve Jobs could take a dump on a shiny plate, charge a grand for it, and some of you guys would buy it and tout the greatness of it. I see what people mean with this whole fanboy thing.

1) You seem to know a lot about crap.

2) Last I looked, this site is called "Appleinsider." In any event, now that you "...see what people mean with this whole fanboy thing" and (obviously) do not like what you see, I am sure you'll decide to leave.

3) Bye!
post #62 of 91
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Originally Posted by merdhead View Post

I'd like to see the specs of the turd and the shiny plate before I make a judgement.

(I withdrew my comment here, since it was needlessly nasty.)
post #63 of 91
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Originally Posted by merdhead View Post

No, they're a value judgements, opinions based on what we know. Maybe try using a dictionary before you use any more English.

LOL.

OK.

According to the American Heritage Dictionary:

value judgment

An assessment of a person, situation, or event. The term is often restricted to assessments that reveal the values of the person making the assessment rather than the objective realities of what is being assessed. (Italics and underlining mine).

Since you might conclude that it is mindless speculation on my part, see: http://dictionary.reference.com/cite...dgment&ia=ahcl
post #64 of 91
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

1) You seem to know a lot about crap.

2) Last I looked, this site is called "Appleinsider." In any event, now that you "...see what people mean with this whole fanboy thing" and (obviously) do not like what you see, I am sure you'll decide to leave.

3) Bye!

So if this site is called "AppleInsider" you're not allowed to have negative options about Apple? Also if you disagree with rabid fanboys you should leave? That's pretty self-serving and immature at best. Did it ever cross your mind to just counter his arguments with your own? Maybe you tried that and failed, so now you're having a little petulant fit. Maybe you should go to your room and come back when you can play nice with others.
post #65 of 91
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Ah, I figured there had to be a connection. 'merdhead' does rhyme with.....

Ugh. 'Merd' is French for shit.
post #66 of 91
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

LOL.

OK.

According to the American Heritage Dictionary:

value judgment

An assessment of a person, situation, or event. The term is often restricted to assessments that reveal the values of the person making the assessment rather than the objective realities of what is being assessed. (Italics and underlining mine).

Since you might conclude that it is mindless speculation on my part, see: http://dictionary.reference.com/cite...dgment&ia=ahcl

All opinions are value judgements. So your point is? Did you look up speculation more to the point?
post #67 of 91
comparing to macbook:

Just wondering, with everyone saying the Air will be worse performing than the cheapest macbook, wont the 2GB as standard in the Air actually provide a faster experience in normal OS performance when compared to the 1GB as standard in the macbook.

Wouldn't the extra gig make more of a difference than the 400 mhz in power which isnt normally used in day to day tasks (whereas the extra ram would be?)

just my 2 cents.
post #68 of 91
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Originally Posted by mackiwi View Post

comparing to macbook:

Just wondering, with everyone saying the Air will be worse performing than the cheapest macbook, wont the 2GB as standard in the Air actually provide a faster experience in normal OS performance when compared to the 1GB as standard in the macbook.

Wouldn't the extra gig make more of a difference than the 400 mhz in power which isnt normally used in day to day tasks (whereas the extra ram would be?)

just my 2 cents.

Regular memory is cheap now. I think if you buy third party memory, you can get 4GB for about $100.

Personally, I do want to buy this MBAir, but it won't be soon. Regular notebooks generally feel like they're going to burn through my pants, and from the descriptions of people trying these things, they're really cool to the touch. I'm hoping the battery life is as claimed for real use.
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

Regular memory is cheap now. I think if you buy third party memory, you can get 4GB for about $100.

Personally, I do want to buy this MBAir, but it won't be soon. Regular notebooks generally feel like they're going to burn through my pants, and from the descriptions of people trying these things, they're really cool to the touch. I'm hoping the battery life is as claimed for real use.

Memory isn't cheap, it costs $850 to upgrade to 4G if you buy it at the Apple store (as a BTO option).

The Air is slower, so it's cooler. But then again if you run it at full tilt, it'll still get hot, just less so. When I handled one it wasn't hot, but then again it wasn't doing anything and it wasn't plugged in, which typically generates heat.
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Originally Posted by merdhead View Post

Memory isn't cheap, it costs $850 to upgrade to 4G if you buy it at the Apple store (as a BTO option).

The Air is slower, so it's cooler. But then again if you run it at full tilt, it'll still get hot, just less so. When I handled one it wasn't hot, but then again it wasn't doing anything and it wasn't plugged in, which typically generates heat.

the guy you quoted did say "regular memory" as in non-apple memory.. as in, sensible people buy this memory, as in crucial.com or something like that... you know, like the 4GB of macbook ram I can buy if i click this link...

http://crucial.com/store/listparts.a...29%20MB062LL/B

yeeeahhh. SAME RAM that apple uses.


At any rate, I have been reading a lot of these comments and observing the general consensus of the MBA on this thread. People seem underwhelmed.. and I have to say I feel the same.

I do think that it has pushed the envelope in terms of design, as apple always does, and I can appreciate that... But i think its simply not worth it. So basically what it boils down to, is I can pay $600 LESS money for a MacBook with upgraded ram 3rd party, and get a faster processor, 4gb ram, a faster 5400RPM hard drive, optical drive included, FireWire, 2USB, ethernet, better wifi reception (since apples non-metal computers get much better wifi), mic input, digital audio out and in, longer battery life, ability to change my own battery, and an included remote control...... and all I have to give up is 2.2lbs of "lightness", 0.35 inches of thickness, and a backlit keyboard.?!?!?! count me in.

apple also seems to rely sooooo much on wifi (in a metal computer no less) and never even addresses cellular internet connectivity. why no option to build it in??? not that apple shouldnt be different.. but literally EVERY other manufacturer offers that option...... so, what, now I have to buy the usb CDMA or HSDPA adapter thats twice as thick as the actual computer I'm using it on.... FAIL
post #71 of 91
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I can pay $600 LESS money for a MacBook with upgraded ram 3rd party, and get a faster processor, 4gb ram, a faster 5400RPM hard drive, optical drive included, FireWire, 2USB, ethernet, better wifi reception (since apples non-metal computers get much better wifi), mic input, digital audio out and in, longer battery life, ability to change my own battery, and an included remote control.

So get the MacBook. The MBA isn't for you.
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post #72 of 91
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Originally Posted by merdhead View Post

Memory isn't cheap, it costs $850 to upgrade to 4G if you buy it at the Apple store (as a BTO option).

The Air is slower, so it's cooler. But then again if you run it at full tilt, it'll still get hot, just less so. When I handled one it wasn't hot, but then again it wasn't doing anything and it wasn't plugged in, which typically generates heat.


Thanks for either not comprehending what I said, or for selective reading to push your agenda. Cute.

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I think if you buy third party memory, you can get 4GB for about $100.

I didn't say first party memory there, did I? I know Apple puts a heavy sticker on their memory prices. I think most Mac fans know better than to buy first party memory, buying third party memory is one of the most common recommendations I see.

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other.../53IM2DDR4GBK/

$93 / 4GB set

http://www.transintl.com/store/categ...estTimeOut=500

$96 / 4GB set

They're both reputable companies. I've placed four orders with the first company.
post #73 of 91
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Originally Posted by OhReallyNow View Post

yeeeahhh. SAME RAM that apple uses.

It's not the same RAM, it's the same type of RAM. Even the same type of RAM from different manufacturers can have very different latency times.

Still, every mac user knows to get RAM and HDDs from a 3rd party.

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So basically what it boils down to, is I can pay $600 LESS money for a MacBook with upgraded ram 3rd party, and get a faster processor, 4gb ram, a faster 5400RPM hard drive, optical drive included, FireWire, 2USB, ethernet, better wifi reception (since apples non-metal computers get much better wifi), mic input, digital audio out and in, longer battery life, ability to change my own battery, and an included remote control...... and all I have to give up is 2.2lbs of "lightness", 0.35 inches of thickness, and a backlit keyboard.?!?!?! count me in.

By that logic should just get a cheap HP or DELL desktop for $200 instead of paying that for an iPod. An iPod can't play DVDs, has a very tiny screen, can't surf the internet, has hardly any storage in comparison, has a 7200RPM HDD, has USB ports and ethernet and a mic, and is a whole lot faster.

(This is where you say that is a stupid comparison because they have different uses)
Just as the MBA has different uses and capabilities than a MB or MBP.


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So get the MacBook. The MBA isn't for you.

haha I love this begging for 4GB. Up until the recent Santa Rosa platform the max RAM was 3GB and that was a huge premium even from 3rd party vendors. 2GB is more than enough for this market's intended market.
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haha I love this begging for 4GB. Up until the recent Santa Rosa platform the max RAM was 3GB and that was a huge premium even from 3rd party vendors. 2GB is more than enough for this market's intended market.

Absolutely. My MBP 17" (2.16 Core Duo) maxes out at the 2GB that I have in it. I've had this machine since June 2006, and it works just beautifully and efficiently for all my needs (incl. some major-league data crunching).
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I like this quote from the NYT article:

"Even so, the Air isn’t for everyone. Bargain hunters, feature counters and people who don’t see the value of elegance . . ."

Wow - that so perfectly sums it up. People who don't see the value of elegance. I will have to use that the next time somebody makes an anti-Apple comment.

Dude: "Hey man Apple sucks."

Me: "Well obviously YOU don't see the value of elegance, troglodyte."
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I like this quote from the NYT article:

"Even so, the Air isn’t for everyone. Bargain hunters, feature counters and people who don’t see the value of elegance . . ."

Wow - that so perfectly sums it up. People who don't see the value of elegance. I will have to use that the next time somebody makes an anti-Apple comment.

Dude: "Hey man Apple sucks."

Me: "Well obviously YOU don't see the value of elegance, troglodyte."

So what Pouge and you are saying is that the Air isn't for anyone that the feature set doesn't suit. Duh. Much more interesting is an examination of the feature set that Apple has chosen. As I've already said, there are only three advantages to the Air over the MacBook: looks, volume and weight. The costs are ports, CD drive, memory expansion, removable battery, stereo speakers, HD issues and price.

Any design is a trade-off and any product has its own market with some people liking it and not. The question is has Apple gone too far in one direction, delivering a very attractive machine that is less practical? I think the big mistake they made is that they didn't reduce the footprint and it was almost solely for looks. The curving of the case yields a lot of unusable interior space around all the edges. Without it the machine might be less attractive, but have a smaller footprint. I think most people looking to buy in this category are more bothered by that than the other limitations, which most people will accept are required for a small machine.

So the question is, what do you prefer: pretty curves or reduced footprint?
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So the question is, what do you prefer: pretty curves or reduced footprint?

Of course better curves. That's what attracted most of us to Mac and Mac OS at the first place.
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Originally Posted by merdhead View Post

Any design is a trade-off and any product has its own market with some people liking it and not. The question is has Apple gone too far in one direction, delivering a very attractive machine that is less practical?

That is an excellent question!

If we could end the chicken little hoo-raa perhaps we could have a thoughtfull converation about the intended market and Apple's uncanny history of either predicting the flow--or forcing the flow--of technological changes.

PS: Does the mono speaker bother anyone? I use noise canceling headphones while flying, even when not pumping sound through them to help me sleep in peace, so it's not a deal breaker for me. This, IMO, gives more evidence that the intended market is flyers.
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So what Pouge and you are saying is that the Air isn't for anyone that the feature set doesn't suit. Duh.

I wasn't really commenting on the Air specifically - but rather people in general who never add the value of elegance when comparing or critiquing an Apple product. Apple haters and reviewers almost always do this.

Who is the Air for? Who cares? I mean really, who cares? That's Apples business and what differences does it make to anyone here? Buy if you like, don't buy if you don't.
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PS: Does the mono speaker bother anyone? I use noise canceling headphones while flying, even when not pumping sound through them to help me sleep in peace, so it's not a deal breaker for me. This, IMO, gives more evidence that the intended market is flyers.

Not one bit. My MBP has stereo speakers, and my Tangerine iBook has a mono, and there is no usability difference between them
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