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post #1 of 26
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As noted over at Ars, the BabyGotMac site has a few new 10.5.2 screen shots.

In addition to the improved Stacks behavior (thank you, Apple!) already discussed here and there, there's a toggle for menu transparency, the optical disc sharing shown as a feature on the MacBook Air becomes a system default, and (ta da!) all hail the return of network drive Time Machine backup.

There's been some dark speculation that Apple deliberately disabled this feature from early Leopard builds and made it a Time Capsule only deal, so as to drive sales of same, but it looks like such speculation, she were unfounded.

Fixing Stacks and network backup are the biggies, in my book. Looks like 10.5.2 is shaping up to be quite the nice little update.

Getting the Stacks thing straightened out restores my faith in Apple's sanity.
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post #2 of 26
Nothing too exciting. The stacks update looks.... alright. Thanks for posting.
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Nothing too exciting. The stacks update looks.... alright. Thanks for posting.

It is exciting for people who need the features. I suspect the wireless backup will be very popular. Also 10.5.2 is supposed to be the SSE4 optimized update for Penryn, which should make owners of the new Mac Pro happy.
post #4 of 26
Not to mention the fact that in this update Apple have listened to its customers and given us a non-hack way of disabling the menubar translucency.
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Glad to see Apple has listened to its customers and reviews...Im used to the menu bar transparency at this point, but the stacks feature definitely needed rethinking! I've been using HierarchicalDock in the meantime, which is a great app. However ,Apple should not have disabled a tried and true function of the dock.
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post #6 of 26
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Looks like 10.5.2 is shaping up to be quite the nice little update.

Little? I read somewhere that it will be one of the biggest, if not the bigger, point update of Mac OS X. In importance and in size. We will see of course.
post #7 of 26
lets hope that they'll also add a checkbox for "use 3d dock", so that the non techie users can disable the hideous 3d dock.
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The menubar option should shut Gruber up.

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lets hope that they'll also add a checkbox for "use 3d dock", so that the non techie users can disable the hideous 3d dock.

Amen. However, I don't think there's much chance of that happening.

Still, I'm a side dock man myself, so with menu bar transparency and Stacks fixed, my interface gripes with Leopard are all pretty much resolved.

Next up: an option for matte screens on the consumer machines. If Apple were to do that, I would have nothing to complain about-- although that's never stopped me before.

No, wait, I forgot: the new iMovie, still stupid.
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post #10 of 26
I'm also hoping that this point update will fix the problems I've been having with my MacPro and wireless. It's completely odd in that it'll work fine, then drop out for no apparent reason. This behavior wasn't occurring when using Tiger so I know the hardware is good. Hopefully it'll be resolved with this update.

I'd also love to see something new tossed in for good measure as well, something none of us is expecting. Something that perhaps wasn't ready for initial release but was far enough along that it wouldn't get bumped back to the next great cat.
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post #11 of 26
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Next up: an option for matte screens on the consumer machines. If Apple were to do that, I would have nothing to complain about-- although that's never stopped me before.

No, wait, I forgot: the new iMovie, still stupid.

Amen right back at ya!

I never liked glossy screens. We use them at the office for graphics design and matte screens are more true to print/video colors. I don't want the effect of colors being "boosted", and I really don't like the reflections on the monitor.

iMovie: I don't use it, but my mother does. I tried to help her out since she used iMovie 06 for home videos. The new version really sucks. I think Apple knows that, because it leaves the older version in your Applications folder as a "backup" (and that doesn't happen with the other iLife apps).
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lets hope that they'll also add a checkbox for "use 3d dock", so that the non techie users can disable the hideous 3d dock.

Install OnyX, open it, choose Parameters/Dock and in Appearance click on "2D with transperancy effect". It's that easy!
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lets hope that they'll also add a checkbox for "use 3d dock", so that the non techie users can disable the hideous 3d dock.

Why not use TinkerTool? TinkerTool offers many undocumented features that you can tweak. Highly recommended.
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Why not use TinkerTool? TinkerTool offers many undocumented features that you can tweak. Highly recommended.

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... and (ta da!) all hail the return of network drive Time Machine backup.

There's been some dark speculation that Apple deliberately disabled this feature from early Leopard builds and made it a Time Capsule only deal, so as to drive sales of same, but it looks like such speculation, she were unfounded.

OMG, now what will the conspiracy theorists have to speculate about?!?!?

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post #16 of 26
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what don't you understand about non-techy users? \

I understand that TinkerTool is a simple program to use. Try it, and if you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them.

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Install and run TinkerTool, click on the DOCK tab at the top of the window, and click on the checkbox identified in the screen capture. Click on RELAUNCH DOCK and you're all done. You can even reverse this if you wish to get back to the original dock.
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I understand that TinkerTool is a simple program to use. Try it, and if you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them.

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Install and run TinkerTool, click on the DOCK tab at the top of the window, and click on the checkbox identified in the screen capture. Click on RELAUNCH DOCK and you're all done. You can even reverse this if you wish to get back to the original dock.

I 2nd the TinkerTool vote. An easy-to-use app with great features. I've been using it to put double scroll arrows at both ends of the window for years now.
post #18 of 26
Wireless backup!?

FINALLY!

This is great news for me.
post #19 of 26
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iMovie: I don't use it, but my mother does. I tried to help her out since she used iMovie 06 for home videos. The new version really sucks. I think Apple knows that, because it leaves the older version in your Applications folder as a "backup" (and that doesn't happen with the other iLife apps).

I had to create an account just to reply to this. You are incorrect. The new iMovie requires a G5 processor, but none of the rest of iLife requires a G5 processor. Therefore, if you have a G4 and you install the new iLife, it refuses to install the new iMovie and moves the old one out of the way. If you don't have the old one, it is a free download off the Apple site for owners of the new iLife.

This has nothing to do with the quality of the product. The product won't run on a large number of machines still supported by 10.4.
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I had to create an account just to reply to this. You are incorrect. The new iMovie requires a G5 processor, but none of the rest of iLife requires a G5 processor. Therefore, if you have a G4 and you install the new iLife, it refuses to install the new iMovie and moves the old one out of the way. If you don't have the old one, it is a free download off the Apple site for owners of the new iLife.

This has nothing to do with the quality of the product. The product won't run on a large number of machines still supported by 10.4.

Ah okay then! Good that's sorted out.
But it still is a really bad upgrade, don't you think?
post #21 of 26
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I don't think it's so much of a bad upgrade as "a completely different app with a different user in mind".

As such, it seems to be pretty well liked by that new user, and pretty much hated by people who were deeply into the old iMovie.

Which is why I think Apple made and makes the free download available, processor requirements notwithstanding. The new iMovie flatly can't do a lot of what the old iMovie could, and losing a lot of functionality didn't sit well with a lot of people.

It remains to be seen if Apple can or wishes to make the new iMovie as functional as the old. They have already addressed a few issues, but there is much more to be done.
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3rd, it's seriously as simple as using any other part of OSX.
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post #23 of 26
So far I'm happiest about the option to disable the menubar transparency. It looks pretty, but I can't help but feel it's stealin' ma RAMz.

And I don't know if I missed this (?) but another option I'd like to see integrated into the system preferences is to change the dock to the same style as they are on the sides of the screen. I saw that talk about Tinkertoy, but it would be really nice (and really easy) for Apple to implement this themselves.
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So far I'm happiest about the option to disable the menubar transparency. It looks pretty, but I can't help but feel it's stealin' ma RAMz.

And I don't know if I missed this (?) but another option I'd like to see integrated into the system preferences is to change the dock to the same style as they are on the sides of the screen. I saw that talk about Tinkertoy, but it would be really nice (and really easy) for Apple to implement this themselves.

True, but all TinkerToy is doing (I think... anyone care to confirm) is setting a on/off switch. It is not actually changing any resources or anything, if that was a concern of yours. Sure, having this option in Leopard would be nice, but TinkerToy is just as easy, and offers even more options beyond the dock.
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post #25 of 26
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True, but all TinkerToy is doing (I think... anyone care to confirm) is setting a on/off switch. It is not actually changing any resources or anything, if that was a concern of yours. Sure, having this option in Leopard would be nice, but TinkerToy is just as easy, and offers even more options beyond the dock.

Yeah, I don't know... I'm completely unhesitant to hack stuff on my computer with Vista, because I hate it. :P

I assume that's correct about the on/off setting too. I just kind of approach Mac computers a whole different way than Windows PCs I guess... It seems that Apple knows what they're doing more than Microsoft does when it comes to OS design. I'll just leave it up to Apple to see if they integrate the feature or not - if not, no big deal.
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Yeah, I don't know... I'm completely unhesitant to hack stuff on my computer with Vista, because I hate it. :P

I assume that's correct about the on/off setting too. I just kind of approach Mac computers a whole different way than Windows PCs I guess... It seems that Apple knows what they're doing more than Microsoft does when it comes to OS design. I'll just leave it up to Apple to see if they integrate the feature or not - if not, no big deal.

I know what you mean. I had a hell of a time when I switched from Windows to Mac OS X. I actually took my first Mac back to the store. I got another one just one week later because I realized I made a mistake by returning the first one. I had some deep-seated habits that died hard, but as I learned to let go of my Windows habits, I found that things just worked better for me with the Mac. So, yeah, I hesitate to hack the Mac, but I installed TinkerTool because it seemed reputable and doesn't seem to actually modify anything detrimental, much like TweakUI did with Windows.

As a matter of fact, the only two things I am running that have changed the Mac in any way like this are TinkerTool and Candybar3. I still choose to stay away from re-skinning tools or replacement launchers or hacks similar to that...
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