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Just a reminder that new Mac Pros and Leopard are 64bit, and the New Mac Pro's EFI is UEFI64, and the last ones were EFI32. So hopefully being that the new Apple EFI scheme is 64bit there is a chance that we will be able to use some of the new windows EFI cards when they become available. (maybe with a little 3rd party help) Hopefully Apple is counting on this to bolster its image about graphics and compatibility.

I'm certainly hoping SOMETHING happens here. I'm tired of Apple offering odd choices only. I understand the high end. I understand their choice for the low end.

But, I've NEVER understood their choices for the middle!

Why an 8800GT? Why not a GTX. There are numerous other choices as well.

Why not offer two mid cards? A medium card, such as the 8800GT, and a true high end card? That's what that double width slot is for. It doesn't just have to fit a Quattro!

All this talk about SLI and Crossfire is nonsense anyway. the estimation is that no more than a perhaps 20,000 people use it. Possibly a lot less.
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It's about time apple pulled their finger out their asss on stuff like this. What's taking so long? We're using Intel cpus at last and APple are still dicking around on GPUs. Onlookers frustration is palpable. Apple are selling 2 million plus computers a quarter. 8 million a year. It's not beans.

What is it with them and GPUs?

Get Nividia to write the drivers or commission AMD. Or do it better themselves. Or change their approach. Or hire more GL programmers who know what they're doing. Why can't we just stick in any damn GPU.

And then there is the lack of choice for the iMac. Their 'mid range tower' computer.



Lemon Bon Bon.

This is all very frustrating.

It seems as though Apple is afraid that the top 24" iMac will challange the low end Mac Pro if it has a good card.

Maybe that's not their reasoning, but I can't think of any other possible reason.

The older model offered a gpu upgrade, why not the new ones?

I'm willing to bet that if Apple made the top rear of the 24" iMac thicker in the mid of the screen area, so that they could put a graphics card inside, a 7" card, say, so that it wasn't too big, and had it so that it could be opened from the top, something like the memory cover, so that a card could be inserted, it would sell very well.

It's even possible that if it used the same standard as the Mac Pro, except for the card length (7" cards are standard as well as the longer sized, after all), we would have enough Macs accepting graphics cards, that ATI, or someone else, might decide to give us one or two. Even Apple.
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About bloody time. And will Apple be there?

Lemon Bon Bon.

Hopefully, if the chips, drivers, and cards can be ready for the ADC in the summer, where there is a chance that we will see a Nehalem Mac Pro as well.
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Thanks and that was going to be my next question, which slots to use. Sounds good that they'll both work!
post #85 of 124
Any news on a timeline of when this update/new upgrade kit will be released?

I have an older mac pro and want to upgrade my video card so any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Paul
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Any news on a timeline of when this update/new upgrade kit will be released?

I have an older mac pro and want to upgrade my video card so any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Paul

There is no upgrade for the older Mac Pro's that is known by anyone at this time. There is speculation that it MAY become available, but that's all.
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Please ask Apple to enable SLI in it's drivers, and sell an optional SLI bridge with the 8800 GT upgrade kit. Even if your not interested in SLI' it's important that Mac users have the same benefits that PC users have available to them.
If Apple sees that graphics are important to us there is also a chance of better graphics options in more machines than just the Mac Pro in the future.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macpro.html

Just a small thing, onlooker. Please learn and relearn the difference between "your" and "you're". Every post of yours in this thread uses "your" incorrectly. I normally don't pick on this sort of thing but you gotta get it right one out of ten tries.
post #88 of 124
The ATi x1900 XT was actually UNDERclocked to 1296mhz, about what GT levels are.
Where did you find this information that the 8800 GT are stock, not over or under clocked?
I don't see it on Apple's site.

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Standard Nvidia spec. They are not over-clocked.
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I'm certainly hoping SOMETHING happens here. I'm tired of Apple offering odd choices only. I understand the high end. I understand their choice for the low end.

But, I've NEVER understood their choices for the middle!

Why an 8800GT? Why not a GTX. There are numerous other choices as well.

Why not offer two mid cards? A medium card, such as the 8800GT, and a true high end card? That's what that double width slot is for. It doesn't just have to fit a Quattro!

All this talk about SLI and Crossfire is nonsense anyway. the estimation is that no more than a perhaps 20,000 people use it. Possibly a lot less.

Apple doesn't give a crap about offering options. They want their products to fall neatly into the good, better, best bins and that's that.

Also, the 8800GTX and Quadro 5600 are the exact same card. Apart from the amount of memory (768MB vs 1.5GB), their hardware is identical. In fact the GTX would be the faster of the two, as it wouldn't be sacrificing speed for accuracy in rendering (a problem for things like CAD, but not for games). Apple won't offer a "mid-range" card that's faster than their $2000 option.
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Apple doesn't give a crap about offering options. They want their products to fall neatly into the good, better, best bins and that's that.

Also, the 8800GTX and Quadro 5600 are the exact same card. Apart from the amount of memory (768MB vs 1.5GB), their hardware is identical. In fact the GTX would be the faster of the two, as it wouldn't be sacrificing speed for accuracy in rendering (a problem for things like CAD, but not for games). Apple won't offer a "mid-range" card that's faster than their $2000 option.

1) Wouldn't "good, better, best" be options? Ford's "You can have any color you want so lng as it's black" would be an example of lack of options.

2) I wasn't aware that the 8800GTX had Sterero 3D too. \
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post #91 of 124
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Apple doesn't give a crap about offering options. They want their products to fall neatly into the good, better, best bins and that's that.

Also, the 8800GTX and Quadro 5600 are the exact same card. Apart from the amount of memory (768MB vs 1.5GB), their hardware is identical. In fact the GTX would be the faster of the two, as it wouldn't be sacrificing speed for accuracy in rendering (a problem for things like CAD, but not for games). Apple won't offer a "mid-range" card that's faster than their $2000 option.

There's a big difference in price. There is also the (expensive) memory difference. there is also different programming for the cards.

I know what Apple wants to offer. These posts you read are about what WE want Apple to offer.
post #92 of 124
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I'm certainly hoping SOMETHING happens here. I'm tired of Apple offering odd choices only. I understand the high end. I understand their choice for the low end.

But, I've NEVER understood their choices for the middle!

Why an 8800GT? Why not a GTX. There are numerous other choices as well.

Why not offer two mid cards? A medium card, such as the 8800GT, and a true high end card? That's what that double width slot is for. It doesn't just have to fit a Quattro!

All this talk about SLI and Crossfire is nonsense anyway. the estimation is that no more than a perhaps 20,000 people use it. Possibly a lot less.

8800GT has the best perfomance/consume/price ratio.

It is the king of GFX card.
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8800GT has the best perfomance/consume/price ratio.

It is the king of GFX card.

If you have not noticed the benchmarks, and articles the majority of the interest is in the GT. It is the users choice.
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2) I wasn't aware that the 8800GTX had Sterero 3D too. \

If you use stereo 3D, more power to you. Have fun buying a workstation graphics card. Or getting your employer to pay for it, more likely.

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If you have not noticed the benchmarks, and articles the majority of the interest is in the GT. It is the users choice.

The 8800GT is a great card, and no one should be complaining about it. It won't be so great if Apple is still selling it eleven months from now.
post #95 of 124
With PC GeForce 8800GT retail cards selling for as little as $200, it's obvious that even if Apple starts selling a version for older Mac Pros (and lord knows I want one to play PC games), they'll still gouge us. Obviously there's no logical reason for charging up to $150 more for Apple-released cards except corporate greed. And because only Apple sells them, there's no competitive incentive to lower prices. Just another example of Apple making it difficult to put 3rd-party hardware in the box without paying through the nose.
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Apple always charges premiums for upgrades... i mean look at ram!! It's insanity. It has got even more ridiculous over the last few years.

I understand a fee for the apple / EFI firmware that needs to be written... other than that I don't see the point myself.

 

 

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With PC GeForce 8800GT retail cards selling for as little as $200, it's obvious that even if Apple starts selling a version for older Mac Pros (and lord knows I want one to play PC games), they'll still gouge us. Obviously there's no logical reason for charging up to $150 more for Apple-released cards except corporate greed. And because only Apple sells them, there's no competitive incentive to lower prices. Just another example of Apple making it difficult to put 3rd-party hardware in the box without paying through the nose.

If you guy's can not figure out why some of Apples hardware costs them more to produce than their competitors you really need to start thinking inside the box before trying to think outside if it.

1 company with EFI. 1 company with 6% market share. vs. 20+ companies using bios, and 94% of the cards.

Who is getting a bulk discount here, and who is paying a premium for parts? Wake up!
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If you guy's can not figure out why some of Apples hardware costs them more to produce than their competitors you really need to start thinking inside the box before trying to think outside if it.

1 company with EFI. 1 company with 6% market share. vs. 20+ companies using bios, and 94% of the cards.

It's worse than that, given that only one model of Mac can use an upgradeable graphics card.
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It's worse than that, given that only one model of Mac can use an upgradeable graphics card.

I new there was more to that analogy, but I was damn near sleeping when I wrote that.

Not only that; it's a BTO part that sees maybe 20% of all Mac Pro's 40% at best, but I think that's high. Talk about paying out the nose. Apple has to have these all manufactured. What do you think it costs to have gainward shut down standard operations just to make a custom card for you? I find it hard to believe that people have the nerve to complain about that at all. We want the cards, and we have to pay a premium. Seems justified to me. Maybe once windows 64 goes EFI, usable EFI cards will become more readily available, and Apple will give their EFI firmware to a few card manufacturers who would be willing to load it into cards for mac users if we ordered from them, as that would not affect their inventory. Until then I'm glad Apple went through the expense to get a top of the line card made for my Mac Pro.
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I new there more to that analogy, but I was damn near sleeping when I wrote that.
Not only that; it's a BTO part that sees maybe 20% of all Mac Pro's 40% at best, but I think that's high. Talk about paying out the nose. Apple has to have these all manufactured. What do you think it costs to have gainward shut down standard operations just to make a custom card for you?

I really don't know about computer board production, though I do design very simple circuit boards from time to time. How much of a custom card is it, really? Could it be that they just put on a larger firmware chip? If it's a simple variation of an existing board, I don't see that part being expensive, change a part in the pick&place machine mid-stream for a batch and be done it. The part I see being expensive is developing and maintaining said firmware that's only used on one computer that might not get GPU upgrades. It doesn't help that there's no competition for Mac boards either, so the maker can charge what the market will bear.
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I really don't know about computer board production, though I do design very simple circuit boards from time to time. How much of a custom card is it, really? Could it be that they just put on a larger firmware chip? If it's a simple variation of an existing board, I don't see that part being expensive, change a part in the pick&place machine mid-stream for a batch and be done it. The part I see being expensive is developing and maintaining said firmware that's only used on one computer that might not get GPU upgrades. It doesn't help that there's no competition for Mac boards either, so the maker can charge what the market will bear.

We could just call gainward and ask them how much it's going to cost us to have them halt their standard operations to run off a few customized cards? I don't think it's going to be cheap. Regardless, Given the amount purchased, and the trouble it takes to have them made, Apple is paying a lot more than say PNY, or gainward for that matter who makes cards for their own profit as a business.
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We could just call gainward and ask them how much it's going to cost us to have them halt their standard operations to run off a few customized cards? I don't think it's going to be cheap. Regardless, Given the amount purchased, and the trouble it takes to have them made, Apple is paying a lot more than say PNY, or gainward for that matter who makes cards for their own profit as a business.

The thing is, with flexible manufacturing strategies, I'm thinking that they don't have to stop manufacturing to make a minor variation.
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I really don't know about computer board production, though I do design very simple circuit boards from time to time. How much of a custom card is it, really? Could it be that they just put on a larger firmware chip? If it's a simple variation of an existing board, I don't see that part being expensive, change a part in the pick&place machine mid-stream for a batch and be done it. The part I see being expensive is developing and maintaining said firmware that's only used on one computer that might not get GPU upgrades. It doesn't help that there's no competition for Mac boards either, so the maker can charge what the market will bear.

As someone who has designed complex multilayer cards, I can say that modern graphics boards are fairly complex. While most cards are designed using computer programs, a good deal of human intervention is required. Also, it's rare that the first iteration, or even the second, is usable. Each new board must be designed from scratch. Even changing a half dozen traces can cause a total re design.

I agree with Onlooker, and yourself here on the number of boards sold. I've also been saying that the very small number is what prevents others from bothering to get into the market. EFI, though, has nothing to do with it.

If enough boards could be sold, then ATI, at least, would be in the Mac market, as they had been for years after every other manufacturer had abandoned it.

What we know of Mc Pro sales is at the last estimate, a year ago, was that Apple was selling no more than about 125,000 machines a quarter.

With most people buying the standard, least expensive card, that left Apple to sell very few higher grade cards.

What manufacturer would be crazy enough to try to enter that tiny market?

I'm willing to bet that Apple doesn't sell more than about 100,000 higher end cards this year for the Mac Pro's.

Even if ATi, or another did enter the market with a lower price than the $350 for the 8800 GT, many people would still buy Apple's card, because it's easy to do so, and for the money they are paying for the machine as a whole, perhaps including a new monitor, etc, the $200 upgrade price isn't much to care about.

As someone from a company who used to buy Macs, I can attest that for most companies, having the entire machine warranted by Apple, rather than having to look to different companies when something goes wrong, is often worth paying a bit more money up front.

Companies hate buying a machine with a card, then replacing that card with t third party card. first, the money spent on the card is wasted. Second, if you have a problem, the first thing you will be told is to put the original card back. If the card is bad, that's fine.

But, too often, there is some subtle problem that can only be understood, or resolved, with the bought card in place.

The same thing is true for third party memory. You'd be surprised as how many companies will buy machines with Apple's memory, BECAUSE it is Apple's memory, and warranted with the entire machine. Apple is responsible.

I know the post sort of got off track, but I just wanted to illustrate why some of these things happen.

If Apple followed my idea for a graphic card in the top line 24" iMac, there might be several times as many machines sold each quarter that accepts cards, for Apple to lower its card prices, and for room for others.
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We could just call gainward and ask them how much it's going to cost us to have them halt their standard operations to run off a few customized cards? I don't think it's going to be cheap. Regardless, Given the amount purchased, and the trouble it takes to have them made, Apple is paying a lot more than say PNY, or gainward for that matter who makes cards for their own profit as a business.

There are numerous companies that make custom cards. They will even let you download their software for free. Some of these companies are located in China, and despite that, they can get quantities of card out to you in a week (after you've tried, and vetted, the actual test boards). Of course, I don't recommend that everyone try this.
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I used gainward because last I heard they were the manufacturer Apple goes to to build their Nvidia cards.
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I really don't know about computer board production, though I do design very simple circuit boards from time to time. How much of a custom card is it, really? Could it be that they just put on a larger firmware chip?

Yes. That's it. Apart from having 128k for firmware instead of 64k, there is absolutely zero hardware difference between the cards Apple uses and stock graphics cards. The difference is software.
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Yes. That's it. Apart from having 128k for firmware instead of 64k, there is absolutely zero hardware difference between the cards Apple uses and stock graphics cards. The difference is software.

And how dou you know this?

Each manufacturer that makes its own boards, and doesn't use Nvidia's reference designs has different layout, which can easily be seen when looking at the photo's.
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And how dou you know this?

Each manufacturer that makes its own boards, and doesn't use Nvidia's reference designs has different layout, which can easily be seen when looking at the photo's.

Yes, some manufacturers use non-reference designs. I have no idea what parts they use. However, Apple's graphics cards are always reference designs, the only thing they're usually missing is the S-video port. And the 8800GT pictured on the Apple store clearly looks like a reference card.

Apart from leaving out the s-video connector, the only thing Apple's OEM would change is the ROM for the firmware. And hell, I don't know that Nvidia isn't making its board partners ship all their cards with 128k of flash now. It was over a year ago that most of them didn't.
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Yes, some manufacturers use non-reference designs. I have no idea what parts they use. However, Apple's graphics cards are always reference designs, the only thing they're usually missing is the S-video port. And the 8800GT pictured on the Apple store clearly looks like a reference card.

Apart from leaving out the s-video connector, the only thing Apple's OEM would change is the ROM for the firmware. And hell, I don't know that Nvidia isn't making its board partners ship all their cards with 128k of flash now. It was over a year ago that most of them didn't.

Are you certain of this, because I'm not.
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I'd like more elaboration on non-reference designs. If you mean board / circuit layout they are always reference. Do you mean IC wise?

I'm with melgross, this is all news to me.

 

 

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I'd like to throw in an example to back what FPN is saying.

I'm one of the many that chose not to pay Apple Tax on the x1900xt upgrade kit - I bought a pc Radeon X1900xt and flashed it over to Mac using a procedure that is well documented on the net.

The only thing that doesn't work on the card is the tv out socket because Apple drivers were never written to support that function.

I have since upgraded the firmware with Apple's own firmware update for x1900xt available from Apple.

The upgrade kit from Apple costs NZ$799 - I had my economy version in the box for NZ$420ish - not bad.
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Are you certain of this, because I'm not.

No. There is no way to be certain until the cards are out. However, the (few and low-quality) pictures published by Apple are clearly of a reference board. It looks to me like it even has an SLI connector, and since Apple will never use SLI, they would not have had it included on a custom card.

If it has a larger flash ROM than a typical 8800GT, that obviously won't show in a picture.
post #113 of 124
Half a penny's worth...

Whatever nVidia and Apple do (or don't) re future Mac Pro's, I tust they'll stay away from that SLI flimflam.

I have this capability on my SLI PC and two 8800 GTX cards with which to test it out. The power requirements are horrendous and the gains are minimal over one card. If it's gaming you're concerned about have no fears there as Apple will never dirty their corporate hands with such frivolity.

Most contemporary games are being built for consoles (first and foremost) and end up so linear it's like a return to the days of arcading. DirectX brings nothing essential to the table (unless you call bugs essential). The best games are about applied intelligence and innovative creativity. The qualities pre-MS Bungie had in sheds and which most games companies sorely lack.

The one game I played on my PC gaming rig with SLI enabled was Crysis and that was a heap of junk. (FarCry was considerably more exciting and pivotal). Adding in the second card did not turn Crysis into a good game let a lone a great one (Hyped to the rafters!). I can see no earthly reason for forking out a few thousand grand to play a few truly mediocre PC games a year.

You know what that ends up costing the upgrader/overclocker gaming nutters on a per game basis?!

Please, let's keep these people away from the Mac (as far away as possible) and they can take their bleeding edge technologies with them.

Apple will incoroprate graphics subsystems when they are of worth and not of whim.
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Amen - and welcome to AI Bstr - hey, just out of interest how does the X1900XT stack up against the 8800 gtx's ?
I haven't seen any comparisons around yet. Was waiting until Barefeats had some tests up.

That's if you know of course - heh.
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No. There is no way to be certain until the cards are out. However, the (few and low-quality) pictures published by Apple are clearly of a reference board. It looks to me like it even has an SLI connector, and since Apple will never use SLI, they would not have had it included on a custom card.

If it has a larger flash ROM than a typical 8800GT, that obviously won't show in a picture.

I don't see the SLI port on the board on the picture from Apple's site. It is pretty small, but other pictures of the same board, but not from Apple, taken from the same angle, and the same size, clearly show the port on the top. I'd have to see the pic you're talking about.

This is the one from Apple's site:

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL...art=MB137Z%2FA

clearly, no port.

Here's a non Apple board. Go to the bottom of the page, almost, to where it says "Current Real Time Testing". The blu/grey board under that, almost the same angle, even smaller pic, clearly shows the connector.

http://www.rbmods.com/Articles/Asus/8800gt_top/1.php

This question is still open.

However, there is another one. At least some of these boards have HDCP.

Does Apple's?
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Half a penny's worth...

Whatever nVidia and Apple do (or don't) re future Mac Pro's, I tust they'll stay away from that SLI flimflam.

I have this capability on my SLI PC and two 8800 GTX cards with which to test it out. The power requirements are horrendous and the gains are minimal over one card. If it's gaming you're concerned about have no fears there as Apple will never dirty their corporate hands with such frivolity.

Most contemporary games are being built for consoles (first and foremost) and end up so linear it's like a return to the days of arcading. DirectX brings nothing essential to the table (unless you call bugs essential). The best games are about applied intelligence and innovative creativity. The qualities pre-MS Bungie had in sheds and which most games companies sorely lack.

The one game I played on my PC gaming rig with SLI enabled was Crysis and that was a heap of junk. (FarCry was considerably more exciting and pivotal). Adding in the second card did not turn Crysis into a good game let a lone a great one (Hyped to the rafters!). I can see no earthly reason for forking out a few thousand grand to play a few truly mediocre PC games a year.

You know what that ends up costing the upgrader/overclocker gaming nutters on a per game basis?!

Please, let's keep these people away from the Mac (as far away as possible) and they can take their bleeding edge technologies with them.

Apple will incoroprate graphics subsystems when they are of worth and not of whim.

I agree with this. With all the talk about Crossfire and SLI, the evidence is that almost no one uses it. Even the tech sites that harp on this admit that.

I would have preferred that Apple supplied the GTX. OR, they could have supplied the 8800GT AND the 8800 Ultra. I would LOVE to see them provide the 9800 GX2 when it becomes available late Feb-early March. but what is the chance of that?

Maybe when Nehalem comes out later this year, hopefully.

http://www.maxitmag.com/hardware-rev...-and-pics.html
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Sorry to butt in again Mel, but if it's anything like the X1900, just the back plate will be different.
Apple even displayed their version of the x1900 upgrade kit to look a little different than a pc ATI's - don't ask me to remember the detail. It was a year ago - IIRC it was only the back plate in that case that looked different ... and I'll nearly bet the farm that the Apple supplied kits have tv out there - just that the on board cables are terminated on the card, no plug.

Yes - No Hdcp, because Apple won't enable it in the ROM.

<speculation>I'd expect that the Apple Rom for the 8800 will be in the wild within a couple of months.<speculation>
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Sorry to butt in again Mel, but if it's anything like the X1900, just the back plate will be different.
Apple even displayed their version of the x1900 upgrade kit to look a little different than a pc ATI's - don't ask me to remember the detail. It was a year ago - IIRC it was only the back plate in that case that looked different ... and I'll nearly bet the farm that the Apple supplied kits have tv out there - just that the on board cables are terminated on the card, no plug.

Yes - No Hdcp, because Apple won't enable it in the ROM.

<speculation>I'd expect that the Apple Rom for the 8800 will be in the wild within a couple of months.<speculation>

It's all speculation right now.

But I wouldn't bet against HDCP just yet. If Apple plans t introduce a Hi Def format, they MUST have HDCP. It must be on the board, they can't insert it later.

So I suspect that the ATI card must have the capability as well.

We may not see it now, but a bit of software could turn it on.
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

This is the one from Apple's site:

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL...art=MB137Z%2FA

clearly, no port.

I'm sorry, but I see the SLI connector in that picture. It's tiny and hard to make out, but it's there. That is a reference board.
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Originally Posted by FuturePastNow View Post

I'm sorry, but I see the SLI connector in that picture. It's tiny and hard to make out, but it's there. That is a reference board.

I don't see it at all.

Where are you claiming it is? It clearly isn't where it is on every other board.
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