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post #41 of 92
2/18/02 at 3:16pm
I agree that Chimera shows some promising signs. Using it, I get the same "this could be great" sense I used to get using OmniWeb. I feel that OmniWeb made great strides to get about 95% of the way toward its potential, and then stalled. Here's hoping Chimera keeps chugging along all the way to the finish line!
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post #42 of 92
2/18/02 at 3:32pm
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This is great!

Hyatt, thanks for coming over and clearing some stuff up for us! I hope we can keep this forum up and running so that we can get up to date info on the project and ideas that hopefully will make Hyatt and his team's job easier.

I am so psyched that you are playing around with the Quartz engine. Every other browser (except OmniWeb and was just informed Mozilla builds) has either decided to forget it exsists or just doesn't want to invest the time it takes to use it properly. I am glad that speed comes first. I want that web page now, now, now, now!

Hope to see you all here again and again.

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post #43 of 92
2/18/02 at 3:41pm
[quote]Originally posted by Odinn5:
<strong>Every other browser (except OmniWeb ) has either decided to forget it exsists or just doen'y want to invest the time it takes to use it properly.</strong><hr></blockquote>
*sigh* As I pointed out before, the Mozilla people have already been working on getting the Quartz antialiasing to work properly. Take a stroll over to bugzilla and you'll even see some working screenshots of Mozilla with the newer AA scheme.
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post #44 of 92
2/18/02 at 5:07pm
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Sorry, I went back and read up and now will eat my words (or edit my post as licking the screen doen't taste so good).
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post #45 of 92
2/18/02 at 5:21pm
Yes. I'm leveraging the work that has been done already for Mozilla (although I had to make some tweaks of my own to work with the Cocoa variant).
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post #46 of 92
2/18/02 at 5:57pm
Help!! I installed Chimera and now whenever I open my Finder window, it's really big and the icons are all over the place. I tried to delete the finder prefs. but it didn't work. Any ideas on how to fix it? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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post #47 of 92
2/19/02 at 9:47am
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I know it's a moot point as the browser is not a full time use application. As of now Chimers only uses a generic application icon and I was wondering, do you retain the generic or do you use a custom icon? I use the one you can see on my desktop pic posted on my iDisk homepage.

<a href="http://homepage.mac.com/odinn5/PhotoAlbum1.html" target="_blank">Link!</a>

I cannot remember where I found it but it does have a Mozilla like effect.

What do you use if you have one?
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post #48 of 92
2/21/02 at 4:34am
[quote]Originally posted by hyatt:
<strong> We're well aware that the browser isn't really usable as yet..

Good things come to those who wait. </strong><hr></blockquote>

I hope it will honor the networking settings of Mac OS X some time later, as it offers no way to go beyond our firewall here.
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post #49 of 92
2/23/02 at 3:28am
Hello AI's

I have been using Netcaptor on PC for a very long time now (for the tabs) and search every other day for the mac equivalent. This is a great day.

I am currently using Omniweb only, except when Java is needed like when you want to make an iTools account. Apple happily says come back when you have a decent browser.

All I need (apart from the essentials - y'know back button, java, autofill etc) is a good UI. So simple, but the CMD click in OW is the winner for me. If Chimera puts in that kind of equivalent there will be no other browser for me. Heck, for the tabs alone, it will be no other browser for me.
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post #50 of 92
2/23/02 at 4:11am
Wow, version .12 was just released yesterday. It has forms support and scroll wheel support now and seems to crash a lot less often. Fabulous.

And this of course means that we can now write posts using Chimera ... which of course I am doing right now
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post #51 of 92
2/23/02 at 5:56am
I downloaded that new version today and I couldn't type anything in forums and such. But it has the speed of Mozilla and the rendering beauty of Omniweb.

And why is the word Omniweb being underlined while typing using Omniweb's browser???
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post #52 of 92
2/23/02 at 7:28am
[quote]Originally posted by crawlingparanoia:
<strong>If it is being developed as a "true Cocoa application" as you say, then how come the fonts look like crap and their is no scrool wheel support? And how come we still get the ugly Windows-style and buttons and such? No Aqua?</strong><hr></blockquote>

mac users really don't understand open source or community development

very speedy broswer btw, deffinetly the fastest i've ever used

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post #53 of 92
2/23/02 at 8:43am
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Hey, it does work to type in text now. Whoopeeee! If the releases continue on a rate that they have been, ( how feasible this is I don't know ) we most of us will probably be using Chimera full time by the end of the year. Or those of us who don't mind a few bugs now and then ( it keeps us guessing and suprised when something pops up ) maybe by the end of the summer. Am I being optimistic? Might be, but I am so excited about this browser that I can't help myself.

Submitted using Chimera. God I love this browser!
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post #54 of 92
2/23/02 at 11:08am
How in bloody hell did you get it to type in forums?? I can't do it!! Must be my fingers....
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post #55 of 92
2/23/02 at 2:57pm
I was able to login to the forums using Chimera as well. It still has a loooong way to go though, but it is promising.
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post #56 of 92
2/23/02 at 10:20pm
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ctt 1wbw....

Not sure but click and hold down on the mouse on the message field for a few seconds. Then start typing, a few glitches have shown themselves, the entry cursor is not responsive, you don't see it move if you arrow back into to text, or forward. If you need to move the cursor somewhere by mouse, take faith that it is where you want it to be, because it will not appear to be where you want it. One cool thing that if you have logged in using Mozilla before that Chimera will remember and log you in automaticaly. Not perfect but a good step in the right direction. And of couse the obligitory, Submitted using Chimera!
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post #57 of 92
2/24/02 at 7:44am
I thought I had tried that long enough, but I'll download it again and give it another go. Thanks.
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post #58 of 92
2/24/02 at 8:04am
[quote]Originally posted by ctt1wbw:
<strong>And why is the word Omniweb being underlined while typing using Omniweb's browser???</strong><hr></blockquote>

OmniWeb uses Mac OS X's built in spell checker - it's not an OmniWeb spell checker.
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post #59 of 92
2/24/02 at 8:14am
Chimera .12 scrolls extremely slow.

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post #60 of 92
2/24/02 at 8:32am
Posting using Chimera 0.12

The progress between 0.11 and 0.12 has been phenomenal. It getting to be quite usable, and blindingly fast. I've been using it all morning now with no crashes. The only really annoying bug i've run into so for is that if i click and hold on the scrollbar-down arrow, it won't let me release, and keeps scrolling until i frantically click all over the place

But hey, it's not even a beta, and for that, all i can say is WOW.

At this rate, i'm fully expecting version 0.14 to make me breakfast next week.


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post #61 of 92
2/24/02 at 8:36am
[quote]Originally posted by starfleetX:
<strong>Actually, no, the Mac version and Windows version use two completely separate rendering engines. I think some Microsoft guy addressed this point a long time ago on the MacNN forums.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I didn't mean that the Win32 and Mac versions use the same engine, like the cross platform Mozilla (Gecko) engine.
I just meant that IE on either platform uses it's own proprietary engine, the windows version being much faster than the Mac version.

However, i wouldn't be surprised if some code was shared. It would just seem to be a waste of effort to recode the engine completely. I could be wrong on that, though.


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post #62 of 92
2/25/02 at 4:14am
Well, I just downloaded 0.1.3 this morning and still no joy on the typing issue. I can't type anywhere! I don't know what the heck is going on. I don't have problems with any other browser on my Powerbook except this one.

I can't wait for more future releases when this hopefully gets fixed. And then when prefs get put in...
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post #63 of 92
2/25/02 at 5:07am
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ctt1wbw....
I wish I could figure out why you cannot type into the fields, it is quite perplexing. I have been doing it for a while and am feeling guilty every time that I post with it and you cannot. I hope that you will one day download a version that will be good to you and let you type.

Geeze, v. 0.1.3! This is getting a bit weird. I can't even get it downloaded before it is ready to go back and download the new version. Not that I am complaining mind you. This new version is said to be even 5% faster than v.12! Not that you can really say it is snappier but it does seem to be a bit quicker. This thing is going to be so fast one day that I will never to do a thing between sites. I might die of starvation, dehydration, lack of excercise, I might never be able to go to the toilet again! Usually whenever using any browser I could at least take a minuet to do something between web pages but not anymore. Is there a thing as a browser that is too fast? Naaaahhhhhhhh.

Sorry about this ctt1wbw.....Posted using Chimera v. 0.1.3

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post #64 of 92
2/25/02 at 5:30am
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Just noticed that on v. 0.1.3 that links that require a new window to pop up work now!! This is very helpful and is going to go a long way to making Chimera the OS X browser of choice! Also the scroll bar is still acting up a bit and sometimes will scroll through the entire page before coming to a halt. Crashes? Nope, not a one in about a full hour of intenive use! Wow!
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post #65 of 92
2/25/02 at 5:35am
Well, Odinn thanks for the concern. I wish I knew what the deal was. I'm still gonna download every version that comes out. Seems to be about one version a week now!
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post #66 of 92
2/25/02 at 5:40am
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Also just noticed that when you customize the toolbar your preferences (or customization if you will ) are now saved and are ready for you next time you launch. Also printing works from the toolbar. I am not sure if this worked before as I did not have to print anything, but it is nice to know if I need to it will be there for me. By the way I have a Desktop pic of my Mac using Chimera over at Resexcellence...

<a href="http://www.resexcellence.com/snapshots/snaps_html/02-25-02_Hunt.shtml" target="_blank">Resexcellence</a>

....gotta love that tabbed browsing!

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post #67 of 92
2/25/02 at 3:50pm
The scrollbar has an odd feel to it, like the scrollbar UI and the page display are slightly disconnected. It's weird. Other than that, the speeds and rendering are great. Now it just needs to be stable and get all those other features(like...prefs?) added in
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post #68 of 92
2/25/02 at 4:51pm
[quote]Originally posted by crayz:
<strong>The scrollbar has an odd feel to it, like the scrollbar UI and the page display are slightly disconnected</strong><hr></blockquote>...because it is. This probably has something to do with the way Chimera hooks into Gecko. Plus, I understand that he's had to rewrite a whole bunch of stuff to get the contents to blit properly. I don't mind it because its barely noticable (on my DP500).

That said, I just got 0.1.3 (was at 0.1.1) and all I can say is holy poop-on-a-stick! This thing r0x0rs!! :eek: :cool:
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post #69 of 92
2/25/02 at 8:54pm
[quote]Originally posted by Odinn5:
<strong> ....gotta love that tabbed browsing!
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I just found out that Mozilla 0.9.8 has tabbed browsing too. That was cool. Now if I could just figure out how to make that the default behavior...
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post #70 of 92
2/26/02 at 5:40am
which do you people prefer.....Mozilla 0.9.8 or Chimera 0.1.3?? tabbed browsing does look cool--haven't used it yet, but probably soon....g
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post #71 of 92
2/26/02 at 9:48am
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Myself I prefer tabbed browsing in Chimera over Mozilla. It runs a bit quicker and it looks more complete with the full tab across the page. Instead of just floating there above the page. Of course the full aqua color and style of Chimera is just miles ahead of Mozilla's implementation of aqua. But if you read my previous posts you might see that I am a little partial to Chimera.
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post #72 of 92
2/26/02 at 10:38am
I don't want to spoil the party but... It doesn't seem to matter which browser we want to use many sites now chuck you off if you are not using a new version of IE. They usually state that it is for security reasons, and the problem is growing. I doubt we are going to be able to abandon IE if this kind of policy keeps up it's present rate of growth.

Many business are now blocking Palm devices in favour of Windows Pocket PC because of the security aspects.

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post #73 of 92
2/26/02 at 11:28am
[quote]Originally posted by JW Pepper:
<strong>I don't want to spoil the party but... It doesn't seem to matter which browser we want to use many sites now chuck you off if you are not using a new version of IE. They usually state that it is for security reasons, and the problem is growing. I doubt we are going to be able to abandon IE if this kind of policy keeps up it's present rate of growth.

Many business are now blocking Palm devices in favour of Windows Pocket PC because of the security aspects.

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I'd like to know what securtiy reasons. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

Sounds to me like they just didn't want to pay their programmers to make the site browser independant.
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post #74 of 92
2/26/02 at 11:43am
i thought M$ was just about the least secure platform out there?? g
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post #75 of 92
2/26/02 at 12:07pm
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So far I have been very conservative (browser-wise only ) and have stuck with MSIE. It's a known entity and works well for me. But I've been eying alternate browsers for a few days. I finally decided to join the breaking edge and dowload Chimera 0.1.3. I have to admit that I am impressed by the performance of this alpha-stage browser.

I thought that MS had won the browser wars. But it seems there's a new rebel rising on the horizon.

Now if somebody would design a nice icon for Chimera. A "mythical fire-breathing female monster with a lion's head, a goat's body, and a snake's tail" in my dock would kick every other icon's ass!

Escher

PS: I am posting (and editing) this from Chimera.

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post #76 of 92
2/26/02 at 12:11pm
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One more thing. How does the tabbed interface feature work? I intuitively thought it would be to replace multiple browser windows, but it seems I still get new browser windows. So what does that tab do?

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post #77 of 92
2/26/02 at 2:20pm
Command-N to create a new window, Comand-T to create a new tab. Maybe there'll be a preference for opening links from external apps into a new tab in the future.
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post #78 of 92
2/26/02 at 4:31pm
The problems with disappearing cursors and stuck mouse buttons are Cocoa problems I think, as I've had those problems in many other programs before.
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post #79 of 92
2/26/02 at 4:40pm
[quote]Originally posted by Escher:
Now if somebody would design a nice icon for Chimera. A "mythical fire-breathing female monster with a lion's head, a goat's body, and a snake's tail" in my dock would kick every other icon's ass!<hr></blockquote>

I could might make something from this...


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post #80 of 92
2/26/02 at 9:46pm
Tried 0.1.3 and it was a HUGE improvement over 0.1.1 which crashed within 10 minutes of using it. I browsed all over and tried many things. The tabs work fine, it renders fast fast fast, scrolling the windows are very jerky, you cannot seem to download files (big problem there, must be in the works) and when you quit the application you get the error that it was unexpected when it was not. All in all though, not bad for a brand new web browser. At this rate they should have something fairly polished and usable in about 3-5 months. In fact, if they keep up this rate they could have the next killer browser in 1 years time. Not that they could possibly keep this rate of improvement up. Really good work so far guys!
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