UK: 1000 New Phones Tapped Every Day

I really enjoyed the movie "V for Vendetta". I was so hoping for a sequal!

With that said, its easy to get around wire tapping, but most people wouldn't know where to start.


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Gosh, I hate to trump @_@ Artman, but:

Hate to double trump ya...

Once Artman calms down, perhaps he'll realize that Kerr was actually correct. Sure, one can interpret his remarks as the the individual relaying the quote did. But what Kerr says is true if one is not letting his emotions rule the day.

There is really no such thing as "privacy" as we've known it anymore. It's a side-effect of our technological advancement. What privacy does one have anymore? Virtually none. All non-cash transactions are tracked and logged. You are tracked on the highway when you pay tolls with EZPass. You can't even buy groceries without a "bonus" card that tracks the kind of items you buy. Hell, you get targeted ads from Google, all based on your search strings. Give me a social security number (or even phone number) and I can find out anything about almost anyone. Get loaded at a party and do something stupid? It's on Youtube via a cellphone camera. Anonymity? It's gone, and has been for a long time.

The only real issue is who has access to that information. Privacy now means the safeguarding of information. That doesn't mean the government should be able to peek in your windows, but it does man that anonymity is dead. You go to a public place? Expect to be caught on camera. Call someone in a known terror-sponsoring country? The call be listened to. It's just the age we live in.

Edit: I should mention that after reading the article Seg posted, I agree that councils and local bodies in general should not have the tapping authority they do. If the report is accurate, it's clearly excessive to tap someone's phone because they dumped garbage illegally, or the like.

The 4th Amendment begs to differ.

Considering that the US government has contracted foreign intelligence agencies (including MI6 in the UK) to spy on Americans from outside US borders (thus not, in theory, violating the 4th Amendment), and the Bush Administration authorized wiretaps from within US borders post 9/11, it looks as if the 4th Amendment is now a plaintive echo from the past..

There was even an incident recently where an airline passenger was not allowed to board his flight because he was wearing a t-shirt with the First Amendment to the US Constitution printed on the front. TSA designated him as a "security risk". (Searching for the link)

http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/gen/3...s20070809.html

Outrageous.

Wait.. you mean the Constitution actually matters again? When did that change? Ashcroft/Bush/Reno/Clinton/Gonzo and crew returned the corpse for proper burial?
I must have missed it. Our government has no real respect whatsoever for the Constitution of the United States. It's an obstacle to be overcome... time and again.

We're on an almost irreversible slide to the end of the Constitution and the Republic. It's no longer decades. It's years.

North American Union, here we come... as subjects, serfs, and mere chattel. It's the reason that the borders are wide open despite overwhelming public opinion against the idea, the secretive nature of the SPP, and the ram-rod job done with the TransTexas Corridor project. Add in some police/surveillance state love like the Brits pathetically accept and there we'll be... completely fscked.

You see, it's not just the 2nd Amendment that the enemies of freedom claim is "outdated" and "archaic." Is the entire document. Nation-state? Sovereignty? Balderdash. Poppycock. We can see the finish line for the "Long March."

It's been boring as hell around here lately.

If you read the link I provided it is not security...but our liberties that are eroding. And who is this "Kerr" and where is where I can read what he's saying?

When the government agencies contact people and coerce people to have their phones tapped I'd say that it is an attack on one's liberties (choice, like saying "NO, I don't have to).



Duh. It is expected that in this new technological age that companies, other marketing entities and yes, even government agencies to track people's purchases, interests and use of infrastructures. If you are ignorant of the boundaries being crossed into our personal lives, liberties and the pursuit of happiness then you accept it. You are a sheep if you do.


Pay in cash whenever you can. Don't use credit cards or debit cards for small purchases. I have not switched to paying bills or banking online for the very reason that the so-called security most promise is bogus. We're still in the Web's infancy and anyone who thinks it is secure (or whether you are being tracked and your information is safe) is a fool.


I don't know the policies or rules involved with this since I don't have a car. Can you still pay in cash or coin? If not, you're screwed there.


Shop at local grocers or opt out of the card and clip coupons.


There are ways around this too. Having a Mac and no Internet Explorer still offers some prevention, but that's dwindling.


Oldest tricks in the book. There are ways to prevent and get out of this trap too. I don't understand the phone number. Haven't had an issue ever concerning this. Though since I have registered with donotcall.gov, I have had no telemarketers or other solicitations for years. Plus I don't give it out everywhere.


Luckily, I don't drink anymore. But I'm not demanding my "anonymity" back, I'm demanding that our liberties (choice being a major demand) be restored before they are all taken away from us.


And we all should trust the government and their agencies to protect that information as well as the companies and corporations have done.


We have to have a system that doesn't go overboard though. The more the border is crossed beyond sensible security, the more we'll just keep accepting it and that's wrong. We need to be just as vigilant watching them as they do us. We shouldn't become complacent.


As I said, it is who is doing the watching and whether they have overstepped the boundaries of the people's rights, freedoms and liberties.

On a similar topic...I recall SDW that you have children though I don't recall their ages. Have you been concerned about their privacy as far as the Internet and social networking with sites such as MySpace, Facebook a other web based communication? If so, where would you draw the line to their protection and their own privacy?

This generation of young people today are the first to actually been born and raised with cellphones, computers and the Internet. It's given many parents headaches (and heartaches) on how to protect their children and to how much (or how far?) the parent can pry into their children's lives.

I watched Frontline's latest report on this and I think it would be of interest to you. It's posted online at their site. Highly recommend it.


Growing Up Online

If you don't have concerns and just accept what's coming, at least think of your children (not saying you're not, just passing on this report).

Turnwrite,.keep searching. "We will not be silent" is not a statement from the US constitution--at least not the present one. It's attributed to The White Rose student resistance group in Nazi Germany. You can read about the shirt here: http://www.thecriticalvoice.org/.

This site has an account of the incident on the airplane involving the guy wearing the shirt. It's absurd-almost Kafkaesque: http://www.parkerstudio.com/AAW/JFK_story.html.

PS Supposedly the t-shirt comes in 20 other languages besides English and Arabic. I think it would be much more effective if all 20 versions of the phrase were on a single shirt (although maybe not so provocative).

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