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post #1 of 92
2/21/02 at 5:09pm
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On both my iBook and DP G4 and even my dad's iMac....

Haven't had a single (restart required) crash since the day I updated the OS to 10.1.1




PS. Applications crashes don't count

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post #2 of 92
2/21/02 at 5:17pm
Except for the few kernel panics I had for some reason a few weeks ago, my iBook hasn't been restarted since I installed 10.1 except for the few OS updates.
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post #3 of 92
2/21/02 at 5:26pm
No freezes ever back to public beta, but the Finder still hangs at times. Now, however, I can still do other stuff while it makes up its mind.
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post #4 of 92
2/21/02 at 5:28pm
Never had any kernal panics or freezes or forced restarts on my iBook 600 or g4 533.
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post #5 of 92
2/21/02 at 5:31pm
Never had a crash on my iMac since March 23rd, when I installed Mac OS X 10.0. My iBook 600 hasn't had any crashes either: it started with 10.1. My PowerMac G4 had one crash playing Quake 3 Arena, but that's it.
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post #6 of 92
2/21/02 at 5:46pm
I've only ever had one kernel panic thanks to that Mac-&gt;PC networking programs uninstaller. I forget the name but it is an absolutely terrible program. I called the tech. support # (an international call for me) and was on hold for an HOUR AND A HALF all the while they were saying "A representative will be with you in...less than...five minutes." I ended up having to format to get rid of it.

I think the program was called DAVE or something.

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post #7 of 92
2/21/02 at 5:48pm
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That networking software is called DAVE

I don't use it but I do use PCMacLAN installed on my PC and it works absolutely fine
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post #8 of 92
2/21/02 at 6:06pm
Nope. OSX is less stable on my new iBook 600 than it was on my beige G3 266. That machine was so much stabler (I think the hardware was produced at a higher level before the coming of the iMac).

One way to crash my iBook guaranteed is to simply connect/disconnect the AV cable while a DVD is playing. (I think I got the same effect with connecting/disconnecting a monitor to the RGB out)

The iBook attempts to switch from displaying the DVD on the TV to on the LCD and the DVD player takes down the whole OS. Happened twice to me while attempting to watch DVDs.
My PC-loving girlfriend had a great laugh and I'm sure I won't be living it down for a while (so much for the stability of UNIX) so I am quite unimpressed with Apple. Hope 10.1.3 fixed the problem. I'll have to try and see.
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post #9 of 92
2/21/02 at 6:09pm
It's mostly stable.. as long as I don't try to play any commercial games (which consistently freeze) X is nice and stable. I had a 24 day uptime that started and finished because of power outages.
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post #10 of 92
2/21/02 at 6:16pm
i've had a few [perhaps more than few] times when the comp slowed to a crawl where i restarted, and sometimes i (gasp) stop iTunes, and it won't work again unless I restart. 've had less than 5 panics. so, its not exactly (in my experience) unstoppable, but its a lot better than anything else, in so many ways. and i love that leaky programs don't bomb the comp. (mmm... protected memory).

now, here's a completely unrelated quote for you to chew the fat over, or just think about,
"when i was just a little young boy, papa said 'son you'll neva get far. i'll tell u the reason, if u wanna know. cuz chil' of mine, there isn't really very far to go'" -Robert Hunter
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post #11 of 92
2/21/02 at 6:57pm
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Hee hee!
Whew!

No. Usually about three kernel panics a week. Has happened with every version from 10.0.4 through 10.1.3, with numerous clean installs in between.

The joys of owning a dual machine, I guess. MacOS 9 on the other hand is rock solid. Have only had one crash in 9 since I bought the machine in October, and that was in classic. Classic and 9 are rock solid.
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post #12 of 92
2/21/02 at 6:59pm
I've never had the OS crash, but some applications crash a bit more than I'd like but that's not really the OS's fault.
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post #13 of 92
2/21/02 at 7:00pm
It freezes for me. The mouse will move, but everything else just halts. I dont think I have gone a week without a restart. for one reason or another4
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post #14 of 92
2/22/02 at 6:00am
[quote]Originally posted by Nebagakid:
<strong>It freezes for me. The mouse will move, but everything else just halts. I dont think I have gone a week without a restart. for one reason or another4</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm using a TiBook on an AirPort network and I have the same problem. I'm just at the edge of the range of the network and if the signal gets too weak the machine just freezes. The cursor moves but nothing responds.
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post #15 of 92
2/22/02 at 6:31am
Since 10.1 release:

Crashes of the entire OS: 1
Problems that required a force restart: 12
Grinding halts due to unresponsive Apple apps: twice a day
Simple app crashes : IE sometimes, other betas: here and there
OS reinstalls due to networking and daemon problems: 5
cursing due to Finder flaws: 6 a day on average
cursing due to spinning rainbow cd cursor: a dozen per day


Not too shabby for a system that is still in its diapers.
But laughable for the worlds most advanced OS. Marketing is o-so-unrealistic.

By the way: 10.1.3 really did not break any of my apps and seems to squeeze the system a little bit more to proper work, despite there is the flaw with playing mpgs.
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post #16 of 92
2/22/02 at 6:41am
X never chrashed on my TiBook 500.

only problem I have, it won't shut down,
am getting a blue screen with that stupid spinning ball. have to hold the startup button a few seconds ...

At start up everything is fine... any ideas for a fix other than a full re-install?
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post #17 of 92
2/22/02 at 7:15am
OS X locked up on me a couple of times when I was installing a classic app. And my iMac refused to wake up from sleep numerous times so I turned off sleep and now I just spin down the hard drive and put the LCD to sleep (about the only thing left running is the fan). So it's been pretty good to me so far.
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post #18 of 92
2/22/02 at 7:48am
I have never had a total freeze up like on OS9...

I once had a kernel panic on startup...

but that was no big deal... restarted and whalla... everything worked fine...

Sometimes when I set it to sleep, the sleep light comes on but then later stops pulsing and it falls into a coma...

But overall I havent had any such problems on X that ticked me off as much as they did on OS9...

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post #19 of 92
2/22/02 at 8:01am
Not one kernel panic ever
Not one freeze ever
Not one reastart due to any problem ever

Not one restart period in 58 days.

TiBook/400/384, OS X 10.1.2
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post #20 of 92
2/22/02 at 8:46am
iMac: 1 KP since 10.1 related to my Rio 600 being disconnected and reconnected in rapid succession. That's it.

iBook: 0 KP. 1 freeze related to the modem bug. The cursor stopped moving so I reset. When It started back up the date had reset. That was a hard crash.
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post #21 of 92
2/22/02 at 9:45am
stupid f#cking AOL

i get the spinning beach ball of death a lot.
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post #22 of 92
2/22/02 at 9:52am
One freeze while coding in Project Builder and loading the 10.1.3 update. But I suspect the USB Overdrive beta3 to have caused the crash 'cause after rebooting my mouse was dead. I had to remove USBOverdrive (God bless the Terminal) to get my mouse back

PS: It sucks that you can't open menus without using your mouse. =)
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post #23 of 92
2/22/02 at 11:47am
The main problem I have is with the print center. For some reason when I print a document the print center reports an error and refuses to print. A re-start fixes what ever is wrong without me changing anything. This has to be an OS problem, but I think it is almost the only one.
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post #24 of 92
2/22/02 at 12:13pm
No freeze, one application freeze (Spider-Man), once I messed up some resolution settings and had to restart...but never had an OS crash, kernel panic, nothin'
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post #25 of 92
2/22/02 at 12:48pm
[quote]Originally posted by gumby5647:
<strong>stupid f#cking AOL

i get the spinning beach ball of death a lot.</strong><hr></blockquote>

With what? AOL's actually been one of the apps I've had less problems with.
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post #26 of 92
2/22/02 at 1:00pm
No problems for me since 10.0 (been lucky I guess) and as for file sharing between my Mac and PC I just set up FTP services in OS X and run a ftp server on my PC and just FTP to eachother if I ever need to share files. Much easier and free! <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

<a href="http://www.warftp.org/" target="_blank">War FTP server for Windows</a>
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post #27 of 92
2/22/02 at 1:18pm
The only times I have had problems is when I have messed stuff up in the terminal. Go figure. Man, I am so glad I have been "converted" from Windoze. Thank God for Macintosh.
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post #28 of 92
2/22/02 at 1:21pm
Hell yes it's crash proof.

iMac 500MHz
iMac 600Mhz
PowerBook G3 400Mhz
PowerMac G4 400Mhz

Never had ONE crash since I bought 10.1 when it came out. I never bothered with 10.0, a little to beta-ish for me. Mac OS X, in my opinion is the perfect operating system. (With minor room for improvement of course)
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post #29 of 92
2/22/02 at 1:39pm
you people have kernel panics :eek:
i haven't restarted since the day OSX was released. no app freezes(and i run omniweb 4.1sneakypeak), no kernel panics, no nothing. in fact the last time i saw OS9's face was when my friend tryied medling around in System Prefs. my software is stuff like omniweb, mail, iphoto, imovie, itunes, MSN messenger, appleworks, virtual pc, and more of that stuff. i have a G4 cube
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post #30 of 92
2/22/02 at 1:45pm
Very very stable for me. Early on I had a few kernel panics, not long after that I had a system freeze requiring power-off. In the last few months, no problems.
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post #31 of 92
2/22/02 at 1:55pm
I almost had OS X crash once on me. iMac 266. But got out of it with some command line killing.
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post #32 of 92
2/22/02 at 2:19pm
Hmm, seems like some people have lots of problems and others have none.. I wonder if it's because of hardware issues (like mine) or software.

I found Classic to be infinitely more stable when I turned its extension set to the base install. Loads much faster too

BTW, Infinite Void, you can poke around the Universal Access Control Pane to make it possible to navigate menus with only a keyboard.

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post #33 of 92
2/22/02 at 3:43pm
haven't had a single crash in osx since the public beta on my g3 450 BW

although there have been sometimes where it required some serious command line spankings

sudo shutdown now
exit

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post #34 of 92
2/22/02 at 6:03pm
Yikes, you guys are making me wonder what the hell I'm doing wrong...

Haven't had a total system freeze or anything, but I've had enough weird stuff happen that I had to restart. A couple times after having it running for a couple days, small things happen, like I can't change the desktop background... nothing really major though, but I have had to restart a few times in the last couple weeks. No problems with my major apps.

NOTHING like OS9 was for me - had a crash at least every day.

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post #35 of 92
2/22/02 at 6:17pm
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So the problem is you Murbot. Your machine is afraid that you will abandon him in a month. He's upset
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post #36 of 92
2/22/02 at 9:33pm
I've had a kernel panic when attempting to delete a specific file. Only happens with the file too. I was able to boot into Mac OS 9 and delete it. Even ran Norton beforehand and Norton found nothing wrong.

The other problem I had was when I was running iTunes and some other apps, I've had suddenly the entire screen go to the default blue background color... it's as if everything shut down and I was logged out, and then logged back in. It doesn't require a restart, but it comes with no warning whatsoever....
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post #37 of 92
2/22/02 at 10:03pm
I've never had a forced restart, and I run X on a Clamshell 366/128. Guess I'm lucky.

Actually I'd rather enjoy a kernel panic that only required a restart-I'd feel like a true 'nixer!

Jeff

Edit-I wanna pretend I know Unix and I misspell kernel...


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post #38 of 92
2/22/02 at 11:03pm
It's crash-proof for the most part.

The only way I can consistently make it crash is by fooling around with I/O stuff...specifically .kexts. Try unplugging an iPod enabled as a FireWire disk and plugging it back in. That makes me kernel panic sometimes.

Try using the kmodunload to unload the USB mouse driver while a mouse is still plugged in...

Also sometimes crashed apps go into some crazy memory paging loop. Mozilla and OmniWeb have done this once or twice.

I've been up for 3.25 days and because the above happened, I have:

[code]Pageins: 63451.
Pageouts: 134352.</pre><hr></blockquote>

Hek hek.
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post #39 of 92
2/22/02 at 11:10pm
Damn, all you are making me jealous. I received my 800 DP the other week and I've had kernel panics almost every other day in 10.1.2/3 and mouse freezes in 9 a few times a week.

I don't know what the hell is wrong. I've reinstalled many times but to no avail. The Apple Hardware checker disk noted no problems.

Maybe it's because I have a dual? I got it from Smalldog and they added 2 512k ram PC133 CL3 chips.

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post #40 of 92
2/22/02 at 11:15pm
The included SDRAM in my dual GHz tower was 3-3-3, so the latency isn't necessarily the problem. Your RAM still could be bad though.
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