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post #41 of 92
I have never had a OS crash in *OS9*, so im still on it. Infact i very rarely get a problem with any of my apps either. The only ones that cause me grief are AOL v5 and Canvas7/8.

Once, I had Quicktime crash, and a wierd thing happened, I had another Applemenu appear, after the quicktime menus, and instead of Quicktime, the word SIOUX came up, with a duplicate of the Quicktime menus, I had to quit "SIOUX" and then quit Quicktime, but it was wierd having 2 sets of application menus. Anyone know what SIOUX is?
post #42 of 92
I've got 10.1.3 on a G3 Powerbook and I've never had a system crash since Day One. No Colonel Panicks or anything.
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post #43 of 92
OS 9 never crashed for you? Hah!

Standard Input Output UNIX

It basically provides a Mac window for apps that utilize standard input and standard output a la UNIX console apps.

Analog for OS 9 uses SIOUX. BYTEMark used SIOUX. Not sure what else did...
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post #44 of 92
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NO crash on OS 9? No offense to you Marc but I really find this hard to believe
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post #45 of 92
OS 9 has crashed too many times to count but I also do lots with it, and have lots of control panels and extensions. OS X doesn't crash very often, and I've only gotten two kernel panics, and those were back right after OS X came out. Luckilly I wasn't freaked out after seeing them, since I am familiar with Linux.

I was one of the first to have OS X - I received my copy on March 24, 2001. Since then, I've had little or no problems with OS X that are really worth mentioning. And now I just got my Palm to hotsync using IR in OS X!!!! YAY!!! Now I can use OS X 100% of the time!!
post #46 of 92
2 kernel panics when filetransfering thats all. What makes my day is that I haven't had any freezes since I switched from OS 9. No freezes in almost a year now (never could have said that in 9)!
post #47 of 92
I have never experienced a kernel panic at all, and I first used OS X on March 24, 2001. In fact, when I hear people mention them, I don't think of UNIX, I think of popcorn.
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OS 9 crashed on me about once every two days.
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post #48 of 92
On my Quicksilver 867 I had one case last September where the system became unresponsive and the mouse turned into the beach ball. Force quitting didn't help. The cause was that I mounted a shared volume on an NT system and that computer was restarted without dismounting the shared volume.

On the other hand, I have a Powerbook Pismo 500 which has had numerous crashes and freezes in both OS 9 and OS X. However, I know that that machine has hardware issues. The heat sink is not well attached to the CPU. Doing something intensive (encoding a long MP3) can cause it to overheat and crash in unusual ways.

On another machine (not mine) I have seen ms office for X cause kernel panics.
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post #49 of 92
I have been running OS X a long time and have experienced 3 kernel panics, all a long time ago. Since 10.1 I have not had even one. I have had freezes while playing the Oni Demo and playing beta games. I have not crashed it doing anything having to do with normal system operation, web browsing, Office, Classic Layer, IM, etc...

Very cool since OS 9 crashed at least once a week. Sometimes at really important times using the machine. This OS has only gotten better with every new release for me.
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post #50 of 92
OSX does not crash often at all on the Dually450 box I use at work. It slows to a crawl at times and some/alot of the apps are crash-happy.

But other than that, it's almost like you're not using a real Mac at all it's so stable.
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post #51 of 92
iBook - 54 days uptime before I had to upgrade to 10.1.3 and the new Java. Get's used every day.

iMac DV 400 - lotsa random problems.


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post #52 of 92
No problems for me.
post #53 of 92
I am running on two Beige G3s and a Pismo, works great, no issues.
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post #54 of 92
The Java update didn't require a reboot here. Hee.
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post #55 of 92
Since installing 10.1, the only time my PowerBook G3 (Pismo) has been shut down was when I installed my new 30GB harddrive last month. No crashes, no hanging, no nuthin.' The only App's I've had that are really buggy are share/freeware, oh, and Internet Explorer. Illustrator 10 is a little slow at times, but gorgeous and joyful to use, and it's obvious that some developers are still getting a handle on Aqua, just look at AOL Instant Messenger's interface. I'm getting more and more dependant on OS X as each day, and each big software release, passes.

My PIsmo feels a hundred times faster with the 30GB harddrive and 1GB of RAM I dropped in it, so I've decided that I'm putting off the purchase of a new machine and I'm going to drop a grand on the Adobe Design Collection and Get Photoshop 7, Illustrator 10, Indesign 2, and Acrobat 5, as soon as they offer the updated bundle. No more pirating the education versions ;-)

The recent 10.1.3 update even lets me play DVD's while running Multiple monitors, though apple publicizes the feature as being for the PowerBook G4 only. So with Photoshop 7, there are increasingly fewer reasons for me to even look at classic or boot into 9.2. I haven't lost so much as an hour's worth of work to a system crash under 10.1, I'd have to compulsively hit command+s every few seconds in OS 9 to maintain such productivity.

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post #56 of 92
Im damn sure OS9 has never crashed on me!. I've sure had crashes in apps. AOL and Canvas crash all the time, but Ive never had a Finder crash. I reloaded OSX last week, and installed Canvas 8. Damn thing crashed during its first run. I absoluterly love Canvas, but its always been buggy as hell.

Shock, Cinema4d crashed on me last night. 6hrs work in the toilet!!!!
post #57 of 92
OS 9 crashed about every 5 minutes (Ok, so I'm exaggerating a little bit here) on my G3. But then again my G3 was also crap.

No problems with OS X so far.

BTW, how is Deneba Canvas 8? Thinking about getting it for X.
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post #58 of 92
i crash mac os X 10,1,1 one time ( i did not remember why) ; it was the first and only times.
I can not say that of classic especially with internet explorer who crash many times. Mac os X is much better for stability. I wish that i can use mac os X at my office, unfortunately i have to change of computer : too many upgrades to do with my G3 333 (drivers for my Scanner for example, for my ISDN working on a ADB port, ...)

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post #59 of 92
My PowerCenter Pro w/G3 266 upgrade never had any kernel panics except when trying to access audio CDs (that did it every time) and occasionally when run running applicaions off of CDs. It was reasonably stable under OS 9. My DP 800 hasn't had any kernel panics, and I don't know how stable OS 9 is because I've only used it long enough to fix a glitch with the startup volume settings.
post #60 of 92
[quote]Originally posted by TigerWoods99:
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BTW, how is Deneba Canvas 8? Thinking about getting it for X.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Canvas 8 in OSX totally rocks as an application that can do almost any type of graphic publication you can think of. And it can do alot more than simply buying all the Adobe Apps, because it is totally integrated with itself. Sadly that price of awesome power comes with a con that it is guaranteed to crash everytime it runs. It has an autoSave, which is best to set to a small minute increment! Really, ive seen this app crash after less than 5 minutes,

However, it currently at 8.0.1, and i'd think an update is due soonish. My experience with version 7, was that it didn't become stable until the last update. infact, most of the time i still use V7, but it still does have a tendancy to bomb. If it stays up for more than 15 minutes, you can be pretty sure it will stay up, but again V7 can crash within minutes of launching.

However, i'd not live without it. Think of it as that stunningly beautiful model girlfriend you have that occasionly gets coked up and sleeps with the garbage man.
post #61 of 92
Quake 2: Froze everything. Couldnt force quit. Hard Restart.

Installed Dave 3.1: Had shared folder mounted on desktop (connected to Win2K machine). Within the first two hours, with only a few other apps open, had TWO colonel panics. (thursby.kext appeared somewhere in the text, so I assume its to blame).

SMS Online app: Had somekind of memory leak. I left it open once and went for dinner. Two hours later I came back and almost everything was still at a grinding halt (a mouse movement would register after every 3 seconds or so). Couldnt do anything. Hard Restart cause no menus could be selected.

As soon as I bought my iBook 600, first time I booted up, after a few minutes everything came to an absolute standstill. Hard Restart and subsequent low level formatting and reinstallation.

I have to say my OS X experience in th past month or so (this all happened since last month) has been luke warm at best.

Im thinking of getting rid of everything and reinstalling JUST OS X 10.1.2 (comes with iBook) and not reinstall from the 5 "Restore CDs".
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post #62 of 92
I have had:

"Hangs" (5)

Finder quit, but comes back in seconds (10)

One ol' fashioned kernal panic. (1)


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post #63 of 92
[quote]Originally posted by Leonis:
Is OS X crash proof on your system? <hr></blockquote> No



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post #64 of 92
233MHz iMac Rev. B w/160 MB (now 384 MB) of RAM, never crashed once, no kernel panics, no nothing.

OS 9-Crashes 9 times a day.

Been running OS X since October.

I do, however, turn my comp off at night. Wake up in the morning, hit the switch, go to the bathroom around the corner real quick, come back and its already booted (takes like 1 min 15 secs to bring up login screen).

I love OS X...and to that guy that gets 3 kernel panics a week....either you are doing something horridly wrong or your tower or its ram needs to be converted to pop bottles, scrap metal, and a few other pounds of industrial waste .
post #65 of 92
OS X is rock solid on my powermac G4, 400 MHz.

It used to kernal panic sometimes when I turned off my firewire CD burner, but since 10.1.3 it doesn't.

Extremely stable....I've never used an OS that is so stable when doing so many different things with it at once. Windows NT is probably about as stable, but of course it's not even half as usable. OS X rawks!!!
post #66 of 92
oh, we want to calculate Finder Restarts too? Hah... mustve had about 30 of those in the past month... yeeesh.
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post #67 of 92
Whenever I read a thread like this I realize that people have very different experiences with OS X stability. What I want to know is, why? When we were using the classic OS people pretty much seemed to blame crashes on extensions conflicts or on the antiquated memory management system, but neither of these should be a problem with X. Apple talks about how they make "the whole widget" -- they manufacture the hardware and the software, so they can make them work together well. One would hope that their software would not have compatibility problems on their own hardware (admittedly this is more marketing than reality, but still). So can these crashes be blamed on faulty hardware (memory not up to spec, etc) or faults in the OS itself? (most likely both, I suppose)

In my case I have seen at least half a dozen kernal panics in the last few months, but they are pretty rare. I do have problems that require me to restart my machine relatively often (every few days it seems). In some cases it may not be a full-blown crash, but the finder may stop responding and won't restart when I attempt to relaunch it, or maybe something will be acting strangely and it won't go back to normal without a restart. I've also had several hard crashes while playing the carbon version of Star Craft. I don't know if I can blame that on the OS, but given the hype it should be able to deal with a misbehaving app.
post #68 of 92
You guys are funny..

"I have 9 machines all running OSX and it never crashes on any of them! NEVER! The beta's never crashed, nothing ever crashes!
I haven't re-started my machine in almost a year!"



Well, you can only check your email and surf the web on one at a time.. so I could see it!



Anyone here running an actual business with more than say - 4 or 5 macs? all running OSX 10 hours a day? with real world - $$$$$$ deadlines?
I doubt it.

I work in graphic and pre press production and all I can say is - still waiting (I know I am not in the majority of Mac userbase however).

I would LOVE to use X exclusively, but can't. If it's not the networking, it's the sleep bug, if it' not that it's something else... I really really love the OS, but if bugs like the one mentioned can't be squashed - I can't move forward. Every other update something comes and goes.. somewhere.

Everyone says 9 is soooo crash happy, that's crap - it's your bloated system that was probably the issue..
My G4/500/gig o ram that I use for work has Photoshop, Quark, Illustrator (sometimes 8 and 9), email client, IE, iTunes, pictureviewer, Fetch, Acrobat (not reader) and sometimes a few more running all day - ALL DAY. I crash maybe once or twice a week.

Not tripping to bash X, like I said - I love it. Kate pretty much hit the nail on the head though - marketing marketing marketing.

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post #69 of 92
[quote]Originally posted by bunge:
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I'm using a TiBook on an AirPort network and I have the same problem. I'm just at the edge of the range of the network and if the signal gets too weak the machine just freezes. The cursor moves but nothing responds.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Same here... TiBook on an AirPort. Cursor moves but nothing else responds. This happens when I wake up from sleep and login.
post #70 of 92
Perhaps bad RAM explains some of these people who seem to get many kernel panics.

There is an iMac at my lab that is very unstable compared to all other iMacs running OS 9, and I suspect it is bad RAM. Maybe Apple's been going cheap on RAM and as a result some of their computers are extremely unstable?
post #71 of 92
crashes, look at this:

4:27PM up 8 days, 4:39, 2 users, load averages: 1.39, 0.91, 0.79

not much by other peoples' account, but it shows how stable it is. I still have a problem realising that I should NOT turn off the computer, but put it to sleep. Awaking from sleep so fast is probably mostly useful for portables, really really nice. but i had a number of hangs and one kernel panics.

hangs were caused by trying to access a win98 computer with dave, my friend's win98 was not configured and then dave just got crazy and everything stopped, except i could still use the mouse! but i couldn't call up a programme or open a menu (such as the apple-menu)

the kernel panic (with 10.1) happened after waking up from sleep and having unplugged my network-cable, but only once.

i have one question though: what do the load averages mean, and is it good/bad or what?
post #72 of 92
any of you ever tried running starcraft x in os x?
it gets freaky on my computer when ever i try to quit the game... often--it crashes it
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post #73 of 92
dividend,

All your post proves is that you haven't restarted your machine in a week - woohoo! nothing about stability.

What do you do on your machine?

Isn't OSX supposed to access PC networks without Dave? The fact that you have to use that, and that it crashes when you do, argues against your own point. (well.. it's a simple argument against the stability anyway)

A Panic when unplugging a network cable? bad bad.

Looks as though just as many people have problems with X biting it as did OS9.
post #74 of 92
[quote]Originally posted by Burn:
<strong>dividend,

All your post proves is that you haven't restarted your machine in a week - woohoo! nothing about stability.

What do you do on your machine?

Isn't OSX supposed to access PC networks without Dave? The fact that you have to use that, and that it crashes when you do, argues against your own point. (well.. it's a simple argument against the stability anyway)

A Panic when unplugging a network cable? bad bad.

Looks as though just as many people have problems with X biting it as did OS9.</strong><hr></blockquote>

lol, great blanket logic.

methinks many of you don't have another computer to ssh from? am i right? i have had many finder hangs/crashes/app crashes... but nothing i couldn't ssh into and kill... at most i pull a sudo shutdown now and then an exit from the ill comp to bring it back to life. my uptime is preserved so technically the comp is still up programs crash all the time, but i havent had to hard reboot for a looooooooooooong time, not since 10.1
post #75 of 92
Burn:

the things with dave only happened ONCE, and yes, you need dave or something similar if you want to share a folder (and access non-server folders?) win windooze.

what do i do on my machine 10 hours a day (the rest of the time it is sleeping) - normal stuff, that with os 9 had meant a crash every second day.

the panic occurred when i had put the computer to sleep, unplugged the cable and then woke the computer up. don't know why, but only once.

so, nothing about stability? well, perhaps not in absolute terms. but in relation to os 9, and in relationer to win98, win2000 an uptime of, as of now, 9 days and 23 hours is pretty good. if that is not stability - is it then instability or something else. Whatever, it made life easier and I am happy, and if anyone asks me: is Mac OS X stable and what is my experience with that - what should I say - my experience is that it is stable, but that does not prove anything, or should I say that under normal use I don't need to restart but that is not stable?

I am happy with its stability, so shouldn't I be able to claim that it IS stable - and be happy with that?
post #76 of 92
janitor,

Not blanket logic.. just looking at the daily activities of the ordinary user (casual-daily user, not professional - which has barely begun making the transition.) and drawing from what people are posting here and on other boards. Of course there are some growing pains and this is new territory for a lot of people.

I haven't ever had a problem tracking down crashes on any of my machines when using 9.. the "last thing installed" troubleshooting step almost ALWAYS worked. OSX has it's problems (that ARE being taken care of) that leave users lost. Now, I am not a programmer - I know many of the 'problems' are app specific.. but I stand by my statement. If I was wrong, the GeniusBar and other OSX troubleshooting forums wouldn't exist. In fact I wonder if I could say 'more' people are having problems (compared to 9) as the user base for the Mac and OSX increases (well it will when the iMacs arrive!

If I am wrong, prove it.. I am not standing on any soapbox, my post earlier in this thread states where I fit in the story. (not a 'casual' user)

Yes, OSX is waaaay more stable - and all the other things.. but 'Crash Proof' as the subject suggests - is still to come. As every day passes things are being tweaked.. for the better usually, I am looking forward to the day that it's all good. I do love OSX and putting my Ti to sleep and letting it run for weeks at a time.

If I hear people say they haven't rebooted / restarted in months.. it tells me they must not have installed anything! (not everything needs it, I know) but even Software Update requires restarts (not from a crash) for some installations??

As for having another machine to ssh with, yes I do have half a dozen Macs and as many PC's in the office to do that.. while I consider that a definite bonus feature with X, it's nothing more than an extra step.. that I shouldn't have to cross. That and I will go out on a limb and say that MOST people don't have another machine to ssh with (nor would they want to/have to).

Wucha think about that?

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post #77 of 92
dividend,

Thanks for clarifying - I was hoping those things weren't bringing your system down everyday!

I agree.. if for you it IS more stable - you're right, it is. I just posted earlier.. I love that I haven't restarted my Ti in over a week, but if that sleep bug pops up on me once more.. well.. oh well
post #78 of 92
I haven't crashed OS X for weeks... months, if you don't count software updates. OS X apps are another story, I use one shitty app or another that crashes every other day, probably. In OS 9 I'd be lucky to get through a single week without crashing, whether because of the system or my applications.
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post #79 of 92
[quote]10:17PM up 7 days, 10:11, 2 users, load averages: 2.01, 1.68, 1.64<hr></blockquote>

And that is only because I had to install something that required the system to restart...
post #80 of 92
As a final dagger into this thread -

I am assuming almost everyone (?) will be installing iTunes 2.0.4?

Requires a restart = Uptime = a big fat 0:00

Or are you Unix geeks going to surprise me with some trick to get around it?

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