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post #121 of 154
Glad you like it! Still waiting for mine...

 

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post #122 of 154
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But noone can justify why this product is so pricey - ultra protables are $400 - $750 for pretty similar functionality to the air."



Are you on crack?

Why don't we start comparing the MB Air with Ti-89's for Pete's sake!
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Are you on crack?

Why don't we start comparing the MB Air with Ti-89's for Pete's sake!

As far as I can tell, that person hasn't come back to respond to rebuttals.

The only explanation I can think of is that the stuff in that price range was probably referring to the EEE, XO and the Cloud, but anyone with an ounce of analytical skills should be able to tell that they're not comparable.
post #124 of 154
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As far as I can tell, that person hasn't come back to respond to rebuttals.

The only explanation I can think of is that the stuff in that price range was probably referring to the EEE, XO and the Cloud, but anyone with an ounce of analytical skills should be able to tell that they're not comparable.

Your so right, but so many people without a clue are comparing the MBA to things you cant compare it to. Its either the Eee Pc camp, which are delusional, or the People who compare the MBA with full size regular notebooks (such as toshibas, macbooks, etc) and whine that is supposedly "lacks" features like an optical drive.

We might as well start complaining that motorcycles don't come with 3rd row seats, or that HDTVs don't come with cable, or that 2% milk is not really 2% milk.
post #125 of 154
It's not? It's 98% something.
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Why don't we start comparing the MB Air with Ti-89's for Pete's sake!

Yes, let's! My Timex-Sinclair 1000 is much lighter. Surely that proves the MBA is junk!
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Belches out heat like nobody's business? What are they talking about? Mine isn't hot at all. I guess it would heat up if you're trying to run the new Skynet Defense System Software through it, but come on.

Looks to me as if the heat issue was while running Vista -- maybe Vista doesn't do power management properly?

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post #128 of 154
Met an Apple rep today... my Air should be here any day now!

He also said the Air is selling fairly well in Japan and much better than in the US. It seems to have touched the right buttons in Japan, which is good (it's about time).

 

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Met an Apple rep today... my Air should be here any day now!

He also said the Air is selling fairly well in Japan and much better than in the US. It seems to have touched the right buttons in Japan, which is good (it's about time).

Much better than the US? What do you mean? Demand id still outstripping supply in the US.
post #130 of 154
I think it comes down to this...

Would more people want a 3.0lb 12" notebook with an optical drive and plety of ports, or a 3.0lb 13.3" noteboook without? I wish Apple could bring both products to market, actually. Personally I'd go for a 12" notebook from Apple in a heartbeat. When the 12" Powerbook came out I had so much envy... but simply wasn't in the market at the time. Since then... nothing.
post #131 of 154
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Much better than the US? What do you mean? Demand id still outstripping supply in the US.


The number of orders in Japan is much higher than in the US; neither country has enough supply yet.

A big shipment seems to be heading out next week.

 

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post #132 of 154
I just had an opportunity to play with a MB Air today and damn it's a sweet machine. If I could make the sacrifices necessary to use that thing I would. I can only hope that the MB Pro update inherits some of the sex from it. I'm referring to the overall feeling of strngth/rigidity, the new trackpad, and the keyboard. The overall thin-ness isn't a big deal (at all) in my eyes, but the curved case seems to help with the rigidity aspect, so I wouldn't shed any tears if they managed to add the curves to the MB Pro.
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post #133 of 154
First off, let me start by saying I love apple mac products, and own them too.

That said, MBA is a rip off. Why? No, not the target audience, but I can't stand the FAN BOY mentality let alone the ignorance that most users have (is 160GB how much ram? Not knowing how to edit kext files (BBEdit)), of course, I am also pointing to the latest switchers.

Now, with that in mind, latest switchers, PLEASE, some FAN BOY, please defend why the crappy GPU? Battery life you say? Okay, then why the crappy GPU in Mac Book? How about Mac Mini?

Would it be to much to ask for a decent GPU in the low end models without having to spend $2000 grand for a laptop if you want decent graphics?

Okay, now what is the excuse? Wait, I know, they (Apple), are afraid that the Pro's (myself included), would use the cheap'o machines to run MOTION right! By golly, that must be it right?
I mean, why else would they cripple even the first/second gen MACBOOKS that had a score of 186% with XBENCH down to a lowly 87%.

But wait, hold on, just a second here - - is it me or do we and the PRO market no longer make up the Apple user base (see puppy dogs, baby strollers in Apple Store with One to One's for iPhoto (would love to see a SHAKE/LOGIC/MOTION class (a-huh...), no, the user base are those that ask ...."is 120Gigs the RAM......." NOT THE PRO market.

So why does APPLE keep dissin us? Why?
Would it kill them to make a decent GPU laptop that didn't cost $2000 never mind the under powered, bad review STATIC $1000 Solid State HD under powered, crappy (AGAIN) on board graphics.

Please, even as a fan, I can't justify this product nor any that can't run a decent game nor motion. So what if good gaming = motion users. Again, so what. The small 2~3 % of the market (PROS) wouldn't make or break APPLE ANYMORE these days than does the OSX86 groups cracking the OS. Spare me.

Come to think of it, from a marketing point of view (I was a National Marketing Director), Apple would sell boat loads of Mac Books to every college student if they could run windows, play FPS (first person shooters) and gave it up on worrying about the PRO user base.

Its getting old.

Just my .03 cents.

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post #134 of 154
Okay, I'll attempt to explain this in a way everyone will understand. There are 6 notebook categories

Value/Mainstream
Desktop replacement
Thin and Light
Premium Thin and Light
Ultra Portable

Value customers want just that an inexpensive basic notebook for their needs. Low end CPU, no GPU. Basically also retail only.

Mainstream notebooks are pretty much your average standard duty laptop. About an inch and a half thick and about 6lbs for a 15". Can be configured anywhere from fairly basic to some pretty high end CPUs. GPUs usually range from integrated graphics to light and medium dedicated graphics.

Desktop Replacement/Mobile workstation: The titans of the portable arena...and what I mean by portable I mean easier to tote around than your desktop. Usually a 17 or 19" screen these behemoths weigh in at 8-12 pounds. They don't compromise featuring the fastest CPU (sometimes even desktop CPUs), the best professional and consumer graphics (now even in SLI), and 2-3 2.5" hard drives. The only thing larger than these beasts is their price tag.

Thin and Light: basically smaller mainstream notebooks in the 12-14" range. Weight of 4-5.5 pounds.

Premium Thin and light. Think MBP. A notebook that has the power of a higher end mainstream notebook and the weight of a thin and light using more materials such as lightweight metals or carbon fibre. Unfortunately, as the weight goes down the price goes up.

Ultraportable: These can best be described by having the features of a value notebook and the weight of a feather. Ultraportables are the travelers notebook. Their features are basic, sometimes even using hard drives meant for portable disc players or forgoing the optical drive, their CPUs are slow, and their screens are small 10-13", but they they offer long batter life and a form factor that can easily fit in your briefcase or backpack.
post #135 of 154
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First off, let me start by saying I love apple mac products, and own them too.

That said, MBA is a rip off. Why? No, not the target audience, but I can't stand the FAN BOY mentality let alone the ignorance that most users have (is 160GB how much ram? Not knowing how to edit kext files (BBEdit)), of course, I am also pointing to the latest switchers.

Now, with that in mind, latest switchers, PLEASE, some FAN BOY, please defend why the crappy GPU? Battery life you say? Okay, then why the crappy GPU in Mac Book? How about Mac Mini?

Would it be to much to ask for a decent GPU in the low end models without having to spend $2000 grand for a laptop if you want decent graphics?

Okay, now what is the excuse? Wait, I know, they (Apple), are afraid that the Pro's (myself included), would use the cheap'o machines to run MOTION right! By golly, that must be it right?
I mean, why else would they cripple even the first/second gen MACBOOKS that had a score of 186% with XBENCH down to a lowly 87%.

But wait, hold on, just a second here - - is it me or do we and the PRO market no longer make up the Apple user base (see puppy dogs, baby strollers in Apple Store with One to One's for iPhoto (would love to see a SHAKE/LOGIC/MOTION class (a-huh...), no, the user base are those that ask ...."is 120Gigs the RAM......." NOT THE PRO market.

So why does APPLE keep dissin us? Why?
Would it kill them to make a decent GPU laptop that didn't cost $2000 never mind the under powered, bad review STATIC $1000 Solid State HD under powered, crappy (AGAIN) on board graphics.

Please, even as a fan, I can't justify this product nor any that can't run a decent game nor motion. So what if good gaming = motion users. Again, so what. The small 2~3 % of the market (PROS) wouldn't make or break APPLE ANYMORE these days than does the OSX86 groups cracking the OS. Spare me.

Come to think of it, from a marketing point of view (I was a National Marketing Director), Apple would sell boat loads of Mac Books to every college student if they could run windows, play FPS (first person shooters) and gave it up on worrying about the PRO user base.

Its getting old.

Just my .03 cents.

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Look, this notebook is not meant for you. Price and screen size aren't everything that differentiates notebooks. Ultraportables are a small niche to be sure, but its still there. I do agree abut the GPU in the Macbook. Generational difference aside, I think the G3/4 iBook are a better overall product than the Macbook with a CPU that's almost as fast as the MBP.
post #136 of 154
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Look, this notebook is not meant for you. Price and screen size aren't everything that differentiates notebooks. Ultraportables are a small niche to be sure, but its still there. I do agree abut the GPU in the Macbook. Generational difference aside, I think the G3/4 iBook are a better overall product than the Macbook with a CPU that's almost as fast as the MBP.

The incredible voicing of anger at the Air is really amazing, and it keeps going. It is really getting to the point where it is silly.

If Apple makes a product and people buy it, then it was a good product.

The Air is currently ranked #1 at Apple Stores in about 10 countries.

 

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post #137 of 154
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Look, this notebook is not meant for you. Price and screen size aren't everything that differentiates notebooks. Ultraportables are a small niche to be sure, but its still there. I do agree abut the GPU in the Macbook. Generational difference aside, I think the G3/4 iBook are a better overall product than the Macbook with a CPU that's almost as fast as the MBP.

As a long time reader I had to join due to the reply to this poster.

Why is it that the boyz fanz won't acknowledge what he said? Why the shi$$ty graphic cards on low end models. Isn't he right that the pros no longer make up the base? I couldn't agree more.

Its now full of iphones in Japan/China and yet Apple still refuses to release a cheap computers with good graphics (laptop).

The MBA is a rip off.

Oh, and I have a friend that works at apple, if Leopard is so great, why don't they use it in the back of the store or back of house as they would call it? Are we still lab rats?
post #138 of 154
(Usual and tired rant about the goddam graphics card)

As usual, straight out of the GPU Club's handbook

GPU Club approves: "Decent"
GPU Club disapproves: "Crappy"

It's hilarious.

According to this club, no GPU is ever "decent." No matter what Apple put in there it would not be "decent."

Their battle cry: "OMG UPGRADE TEH VIDEO CARD"
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post #139 of 154
Great, I'm stuck between the two extremes, as usual. MBA sucks people: not every computer or person needs one. There is not one generic computer that can meet everyone's criteria. A bad deal to one person is a great deal to someone else. The MBA might not be that good of a general purpose notebook, but when you look at the compition, they're packing smaller screens, slower CPUs, and reduced size keyboards. Apple as a religion people: Steve Jobs is not a God, Apple is neither always right nor has the answers, and degrading the evil heretics only works to make this platform seem like its populated with a bunch of out of touch extremists.
post #140 of 154
Here's my take on the video card:

I can run an openGL screensaver on my Air flawlessy. The Intel GMA965 chip in my Dell Inspiron will NOT play an openGL screensaver. I'd say the Air is just fine.
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post #141 of 154
I love the look. Its sleek and elegant and a lovely piece of industrial design.

Will I be buying one? No.

Having an outboard optical drive is a big negative to the way some of us work.
I already resent lugging around the AC/DC brick on other Mac portables.
Having to bring yet another chunk o' technology along makes what appears
to be a compact solution rather clunky.

Because I work in film and video and need the bandwidth, I'd rather wait for a MacBook
Pro to come along with BluRay technology in the same case.
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Because I work in film and video and need the bandwidth, I'd rather wait for a MacBook Pro to come along with BluRay technology in the same case.

I think this and many other threads have established the MBA isn't for 'power' users in much the same way as the 12" PowerBook wasn't. Better options are available in the MBP range.

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post #143 of 154
First of all it is a great review and very indepth too. I really like AppleInsider for things like this. No matter what people say about this MBA, but I simple love this thing and the Great news is that it is now available in India.

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post #144 of 154
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First off, let me start by saying I love apple mac products, and own them too.

That said, MBA is a rip off. Why? No, not the target audience, but I can't stand the FAN BOY mentality let alone the ignorance that most users have (is 160GB how much ram? Not knowing how to edit kext files (BBEdit)), of course, I am also pointing to the latest switchers.

Now, with that in mind, latest switchers, PLEASE, some FAN BOY, please defend why the crappy GPU? Battery life you say? Okay, then why the crappy GPU in Mac Book? How about Mac Mini?

Would it be to much to ask for a decent GPU in the low end models without having to spend $2000 grand for a laptop if you want decent graphics?

Okay, now what is the excuse? Wait, I know, they (Apple), are afraid that the Pro's (myself included), would use the cheap'o machines to run MOTION right! By golly, that must be it right?
I mean, why else would they cripple even the first/second gen MACBOOKS that had a score of 186% with XBENCH down to a lowly 87%.

But wait, hold on, just a second here - - is it me or do we and the PRO market no longer make up the Apple user base (see puppy dogs, baby strollers in Apple Store with One to One's for iPhoto (would love to see a SHAKE/LOGIC/MOTION class (a-huh...), no, the user base are those that ask ...."is 120Gigs the RAM......." NOT THE PRO market.

So why does APPLE keep dissin us? Why?
Would it kill them to make a decent GPU laptop that didn't cost $2000 never mind the under powered, bad review STATIC $1000 Solid State HD under powered, crappy (AGAIN) on board graphics.

Please, even as a fan, I can't justify this product nor any that can't run a decent game nor motion. So what if good gaming = motion users. Again, so what. The small 2~3 % of the market (PROS) wouldn't make or break APPLE ANYMORE these days than does the OSX86 groups cracking the OS. Spare me.

Come to think of it, from a marketing point of view (I was a National Marketing Director), Apple would sell boat loads of Mac Books to every college student if they could run windows, play FPS (first person shooters) and gave it up on worrying about the PRO user base.

Its getting old.

Just my .03 cents.

:-)

Wow, first off, way to come across as an arrogant anti-fanboy whilst simultaneously decrying perceived fanboyism. Seriously, nice going calling new users fanboys and ignorant. Did it ever occur to you that not everyone has the time to learn about, never mind use, all the hardcore things you do? Humility is a good thing sir. I'm sure there's plenty those switchers know far more about than you.

As for the GPU argument, I take your point but I think you're over-reacting. The onboard graphics are capable of doing what the computers were designed for, which may well not be high end but why is that a problem? Not everyone is hardcore, not everyone needs high end power. Yes, there are people different from you and they are just as valid as you.

Incidentally Mr. Marketing Director, the MacBook Air can run Windows and play some of the more popular FPS games as they tend to be the slightly older ones. I'm not talking Doom here, but the kids still play the likes of Halo and Unreal Tournament 2004.

Hey, um, you threw me at the end there a little bit. Point-Oh-Three of a Cent? Isn't...Isn't it normally 2 Cents? Meh, whatever. Live and Let Live

Anywho, I still want to buy the bottom rung MacBook Air. The price is kind of an issue (Especially here in the UK. Even excluding tax it's $2008 for the 80GB 1.6GHz model). I like the thing and it's everything I wanted it to be, it compromises only on stuff I don't mind.

It's not for everyone though. Some people do need the optical drive or more USB ports or whatever. But for me, it's a thin and light notebook with OS X. It's what I was wanting.

Also, I don't think you'll ever see that 12" MacBook Pro. Apple's pretty into the whole widescreen thing now. I doubt they'd make another computer without a widescreen display. And the 13" size is what Apple has chosen as their Widescreen 12" replacement. Hence, MacBook - successor to the iBook* has it and MacBook Air - the successor to the 12" PowerBook - has it.

*Yes, I know there was a 15" iBook, but I would say it was absorbed into the Pro line after the MacBook name replaced iBook.

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post #145 of 154
there's a lighter notebook than the iMac Air. The thing is it's just not thinner, however it could easily be. So I don't see the reason why people are so excited about it
post #146 of 154
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there's a lighter notebook than the iMac Air. The thing is it's just not thinner, however it could easily be. So I don't see the reason why people are so excited about it

Link?

Does it run Mac OS? Didn't think so. That's why we love the Air. Oh, and it's sexy.

 

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post #147 of 154
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Link?

Does it run Mac OS? Didn't think so. That's why we love the Air. Oh, and it's sexy.

Don't forget he also said:

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The thing is it's just not thinner, however it could easily be.

I love the "however it could easily be" part -- as if it's so simple. Trivial. As if they didn't want it to be so thin.
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post #148 of 154
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there's a lighter notebook than the iMac Air. The thing is it's just not thinner, however it could easily be. So I don't see the reason why people are so excited about it

There is no iMac Air.

Apple claims theirs is the thinnest notebook, not the lightest. I really don't see the lies here. There are several notebooks that are lighter, I really don't think that's a contested fact.
post #149 of 154
For those interested in the MBA or have a MBA, macally has a new hub designed for the Air that includes 3 USB ports and an ethernet port. It's not even on their site yet; I saw it on page 17 of the latest issue of Mac|Life (June 08). Took a quick and dirty snapshot with my MBP camera:

post #150 of 154
I'm still waiting for a larger hard drive. 80 GB is just not enough. My iPod has a larger drive for crying out loud! As far as the rest of the machine goes, for my needs it's fine. Only thing I'd miss is FW 800, and that's not the show-stopper that the 80 GB drive is.

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Has anyone actually used the SSD compare it to the regular disk model? I'm interested in speed of use with normal things-- Office, iWork and the iLife suites, and Adobe Pro and internet via Safari and Firefox?
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post #152 of 154
NO FIREWIRE, NO PURCHASE. Because Firewire is essential to repair and troubleshoot at our University. Move to Windows. A shame!
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NO FIREWIRE, NO PURCHASE. Because Firewire is essential to repair and troubleshoot at our University. Move to Windows. A shame!

Fine, move to Windows.
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What is the big deal, they are just computers, no body died!
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NO FIREWIRE, NO PURCHASE. Because Firewire is essential to repair and troubleshoot at our University. Move to Windows. A shame!

If repairing/troubleshooting was such a significant reason you buy Macs then maybe you should have moved to Windows some time ago. I suspect there is another reason you have Macs.

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