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post #41 of 226
2/5/08 at 8:10am
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Originally Posted by Zandros View Post

How did they fast track this through FFC testing without anyone getting word out?

The memory chips probably have been tested to have the same RF charactaristics. If the radio is on a separate board, they don't change the radio, antenna or anything that might affect interference, I don't think it needs to be retested.


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$500 for 32GB? I don't think so.

I'll take an 8 GB. All I want is the internet and mail.

That's been available all along.


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word to the wise: http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/

It never hurts to do a little research before shelling out hundreds of dollars. They've had this thing on "don't buy" for quite some time.

I don't think their rating could have been considered accurate with just one data point.


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Doesn't it usually work that after a long period of time the price of storage goes down? The increased model then sells for the same as the high end previous version? What gives this time? The 8 &16 GB flash drive hasn't decreased in cost since last September- 6 months? Wouldn't these drop in another 3 months at most? Who would buy now at these prices?

I don't think they have competition yet. A quick search turns up no other media phones / smart phones with 16GB of memory. I expect that will change in three months, but for now, no.
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post #42 of 226
2/5/08 at 8:16am
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I'm kinda surprised by this and worried what it means for the launch of the new MacBook Pros and MacBooks.

While I'm no expert on Apple launch dates, this seems sort of unlike Apple to do, usually they upgrade their iPods all at once during the autumn...

Personally, I think 500 for the 32G is way to much, but if u keep in mind what they are charging for the SSD of 64Gb, it kinda makes since, but would still have been nice if the line would have seen a 50-100 price drop or if they just removed the 8G all together and replaced the 8G-16G, 16-32G at the same price points.

For me, now comes the question, do I really wanna fork out 500 for 32G, nothing lesser will do...

That is the question, isn't it? I've been stomping around saying I'll get the Touch when it's 32GB. Now I'm a tad sheepish, asking myself the old standard poor-man Mac Fan questions like, "Maybe I should wait until they put [name your feature]" so I can justify plunking down a cool half-grand.

Having said that, I'm still glad they responded to the apparently strong voice of the consumers who've asked for this (me included).
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post #43 of 226
2/5/08 at 8:21am
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I don't know, but it seems like Sony has to go through FCC revision for even a simple colour update. Also, I was under the impression that motherboards have to pass (self testing admittedly) FCC regulations, so it's not impossible that there are some regulations for memory, right? There was a Gigabyte motherboard that failed to meet the regulations, but still went to market.

I have to admit I'm not very familiar with the FCC though.

/Adrian

I think the breakdown shows the RF chips on a seperate chip. This would be smart if the FCC only requires the board with the RF chips on it.

I don't recall if the SSD was soldered to the MoBo or not, but it may just be a plug like with most HDDs and large SSDs. I'll check on that later...

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But then you're stuck with an N95 instead of an iPhone. The two certainly aren't equivalent.

There's a reason they're free.

I recall people who were going to get the contract with the N95 and then sell it on eBay o shore up the cost of the iPhone. The new contract with O2 for the iPhone would cancel the previous one, not extend the current one. I'm not sure if that ever worked.
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post #44 of 226
2/5/08 at 8:21am
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Originally Posted by Leppo View Post

And so the wait for a Macbook Pro update/refresh continues. I'm full of sadness.

Are there Penryn-based notebooks in mass production? Apple seems to delay updates until they have enough chips to supply their demand.
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post #45 of 226
2/5/08 at 8:26am
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Originally Posted by CoolHandPete View Post

I'm still glad they responded to the apparently strong voice of the consumers who've asked for this (me included).

This has nothing to do with an initial oversight or listening to customers demands. It is merely the natural projection of technology getting cheaper and small over time.
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post #46 of 226
2/5/08 at 8:28am
I'll be skipping this version of the iPhone hoping that the next will have some new features. I'll be patient with them and hope that their next model will persuade me to part with my hard earned cash. 16GB is nice to have, but it's still not close to my iPod storage needs. \
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post #47 of 226
2/5/08 at 8:28am
I have to say I am surprised to get into work this morning and find this in my RSS feed. I didn't believe Jobs when he said "We have done all this and are only 2 weeks in to the year!" or whatever. I hope this means we will see a lot of great updates to the products (new MBP) and some more new ones (Newton tablet thing).
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post #48 of 226
2/5/08 at 8:34am
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Are there Penryn-based notebooks in mass production? Apple seems to delay updates until they have enough chips to supply their demand.

I'd like to see the dispersal of these high-end chips. Apple may not be the top dog with unit sales of notebooks but they are probably at or near the top of purchasers of new chips produced by Intel.
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post #49 of 226
2/5/08 at 8:36am
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This has nothing to do with an initial oversight or listening to customers demands. It is merely the natural projection of technology getting cheaper and small over time.

Excuse me, but what got cheaper? or smaller?
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post #50 of 226
2/5/08 at 8:42am
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Excuse me, but what got cheaper? or smaller?

32GB SSD from just 6 months prior. Please, try to keep up.
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post #51 of 226
2/5/08 at 8:50am
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Apple on Tuesday added new models of the iPhone and iPod touch which have double the memory, doubling the amount of music, photos and videos that customers can carry with them wherever they go.

The company's iPhone now comes in a new 16GB model for $499, joining the 8GB model for $399. Meanwhile, iPod touch now comes in a 32GB model for $499, joining the 16GB model for $399 and the 8GB model for $299.

For some users, theres never enough memory, said Greg Joswiak, Apples vice president of Worldwide iPod and iPhone Product Marketing. Now people can enjoy even more of their music, photos and videos on the most revolutionary mobile phone and best Wi-Fi mobile device in the world.

If there is never enough memory Apple, why not add a 32GB iPhone model and bypass the 16GB altogether. Why only 32GB for he iPod touch? I guess I will have to wait for another six months to see if the next generation (not just a memory bump) will produce an iPhone truely worth a 100 dollar increase. This one, for me, is sadly not it!

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post #52 of 226
2/5/08 at 8:51am
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32GB SSD from just 6 months prior. Please, try to keep up.

It could be that the higher density chips came down to a price level that's good enough for inclusion. The Touch is an extremely slim device, it's not as if they can just double the number of chips, they have to use more expensive chips, the highest density chips come at a premium.
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post #53 of 226
2/5/08 at 8:57am
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I have 1TB of media so I'm not getting one until they have a 1TB SSDs for the iPhone. Seriously, if you want 64GB you'll be waiting awhile. Besides the enormous cost, they don't even that quantity of SSD that will fit in the iPhone.

That was my point. I am not so interested in buying new iPhone since I just got mine last August and 8 GB more won't make a difference to me right now
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post #54 of 226
2/5/08 at 8:59am
Post from 'aiolos': [QOUTE]Gah, why did they have to raise the price 100 bucks, faaaaaaaaaaaack.[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by chabig View Post

Because memory is not free?

Some of it is!

For 100 bucks, iPod touch with the 32GB model, gets a memory increase of 16GB versus the 8GB memory increase for the iPhone for that same 100 dollars.

in otherwords, 8GB FREE memory for the iPod Touch

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post #55 of 226
2/5/08 at 9:01am
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This is an important statement as most people do not realize that although you may have a 3G capable phone that does not mean that you will receive 3G if you are not in an area that has it. Even in Southern California there are many pockets where you cannot receive 3G, and your phone will simply default to Edge. It is even worse when you happen to live in an area where you can only get Edge and a mile or so away your friend can get 3G. Having a capable 3G phone is no guarantee you will receive 3G.

Who cares about the US? In Europe you have everywhere 3G. A few hours ago I said to a friend that Apple should release an 16gb iPhone with 3G soon so it would be worth to buy one. I come home and see this 16gb iPhone without 3G??? This doesn't look good for european countries who still don't have iPhones for sale. Looking at the sales in UK, Ger and FR it doesn't look like a lot of carriers will be rolling out an EDGE network only to support a few iPhones that will be sold.
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post #56 of 226
2/5/08 at 9:01am
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It could be that the higher density chips came down to a price level that's good enough for inclusion. The Touch is an extremely slim device, it's not as if they can just double the number of chips, they have to use more expensive chips.

I never did check out sizes on the chips used in the iPhone/iPod Touch, but I do suspect that these chips weren't even available 6 months ago regardless of price.
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post #57 of 226
2/5/08 at 9:02am
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32GB SSD from just 6 months prior. Please, try to keep up.

The iPhone and iTouch is what we talking about here and neither got cheaper. If the 32GB SSD is cheaper than why is the 16GB and 8 GB the same price? You can't say the 32 iTouch is cheaper if it never existed before. Your reasoning once again makes no sense.
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post #58 of 226
2/5/08 at 9:05am
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That was my point. I am not so interested in buying new iPhone since I just got mine last August and 8 GB more won't make a difference to me right now

I agree with you. While I got my iPhone the day it was released, I've already bit the bullet and pared down my media to meet the capacity limitations. 8GB more isn't enough for me to go through that process again. Had they given us the 32GB in the iPod Touch, I may have been swayed. As it is, though, this gives Apple even more time to slow-walk it and eventually release the iPhone with 32GB further on down the road without other changes.
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post #59 of 226
2/5/08 at 9:07am
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Who cares about the US? In Europe you have everywhere 3G. A few hours ago I said to a friend that Apple should release an 16gb iPhone with 3G soon so it would be worth to buy one. I come home and see this 16gb iPhone without 3G??? This doesn't look good for european countries who still don't have iPhones for sale. Looking at the sales in UK, Ger and FR it doesn't look like a lot of carriers will be rolling out an EDGE network only to support a few iPhones that will be sold.

Well, 270,000 iPhone in the first weekend in the US alone makes Apple care.
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post #60 of 226
2/5/08 at 9:09am
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But then you're stuck with an N95 instead of an iPhone. The two certainly aren't equivalent.

There's a reason they're free.

There's certainly worse things to be 'stuck' with than a free N95. They're free because they're heavily subsidised, unlike the iPhone.

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I recall people who were going to get the contract with the N95 and then sell it on eBay o shore up the cost of the iPhone. The new contract with O2 for the iPhone would cancel the previous one, not extend the current one. I'm not sure if that ever worked.

Yep, I think it was me that suggested it as at the time O2 were supposedly going to offer the same iPhone tariffs to users of other phones on their network. My thinking was that you get the N95 (or whatever is going well on eBay) for free with an iPhone tariff, buy an iPhone without the attached contract and register it with the first phone's SIM. Then sell the first phone on eBay for a few hundred quid. Since unlocking any phone other than an iPhone is as easy as bunging the bloke on the market a fiver, even a locked phone is an easy sale.

I'm not sure if that all worked out though and I've not looked since the iPhone's hardware is so weak and the software updates have been absent. Anyone done it ? I'll maybe have a look once the SDK is out a few weeks and the holes in the software are fixed. It's also a pity O2 aren't doing business tariffs till later this year as I'd possibly buy 2-3 iphones if I they had the usual O2 business terms of free calls between colleagues.
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post #61 of 226
2/5/08 at 9:09am
I'm familiar with the FCC. It's called "family testing". Apple may have tested a 16GB model to begin with even though it may have been VERY expensive for the chips, they knew the price would come down.

Second, they probably have been testing a 16GB model since the 8BG launch but no one bothered to notice since the phone itself is "the same".
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post #62 of 226
2/5/08 at 9:10am
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The iPhone and iTouch is what we talking about here and neither got cheaper. If the 32GB SSD is cheaper than why is the 16GB and 8 GB the same price? You can't say the 32 iTouch is cheaper if it never existed before. Your reasoning once again makes no sense.

I have serious doubts that you can really be this obtuse. 32GB SSD was more than a $100 over 16GB SSD from 6 months ago. Unless Apple is losing profit the prices of SSD have dropped.
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post #63 of 226
2/5/08 at 9:15am
Hey, I have been around the net enough to know that ANYONE cane be that obtuse.
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post #64 of 226
2/5/08 at 9:16am
[Some of it is!

For 100 bucks, iPod touch with the 32GB model, gets a memory increase of 16GB versus the 8GB memory increase for the iPhone for that same 100 dollars.

in otherwords, 8GB FREE memory for the iPod Touch][/QUOTE]

Memory deals!! If we're talking memory deals the best is the incremental increase in the ATV - $100 only for an increase of 120GB (40 to 160GB)! $100 for 120 GBs- can't beat that!
Now if only I could do something with all that space.
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post #65 of 226
2/5/08 at 9:17am
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

This has nothing to do with an initial oversight or listening to customers demands. It is merely the natural projection of technology getting cheaper and small over time.

I disagree. If it was JUST the natural projection of technology and not at least in part, due to consumer demand, there is no reason for Apple to make these updates. They could just have waited to give the Touch 32 and/or 40G in the autumn when the natural revision of the iPod line occurs.

While the Touch is certainly very popular, especially here in Japan, I still think a lot of buyers have been hesitant to buy it due to the limited memory sizes.
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2/5/08 at 9:18am
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The iPhone and iTouch is what we talking about here and neither got cheaper. If the 32GB SSD is cheaper than why is the 16GB and 8 GB the same price? You can't say the 32 iTouch is cheaper if it never existed before. Your reasoning once again makes no sense.

Don't forget that the iPhone is a phone and have built in camera that might offset the price of the 8GB of extra memory the touch have.
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2/5/08 at 9:20am
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I have serious doubts that you can really be this obtuse. 32GB SSD was more than a $100 over 16GB SSD from 6 months ago. Unless Apple is losing profit the prices of SSD have dropped.

And that's why the price on the 16 and 8 GB did not drop!
It only dropped for 32 GB and not 16 nor 8GB!
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post #68 of 226
2/5/08 at 9:22am
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Well, 270,000 iPhone in the first weekend in the US alone makes Apple care.

Like people in the US even can afford an iPhone these days
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2/5/08 at 9:26am
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I have serious doubts that you can really be this obtuse. 32GB SSD was more than a $100 over 16GB SSD from 6 months ago. Unless Apple is losing profit the prices of SSD have dropped.

That has to be one of the daftest statements ever made here. Do you not understand how nothing got cheaper in the product line. The 32GB is a new iTouch. The 16 and 8 GBs are over 6 months old- where is the price reduction?????
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2/5/08 at 9:27am
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As much as I love apple I wish they would roll out these products to all the countries at the same time.

In the UK we have no update as of today! But what do I care my iPhone is as good as new and I am not going to upgrade for at least a year!

Yeah - I wonder why that is? I speculated over on my blog http://www.corpmac.co.uk about this - they simply may be a delay in updating the UK store - or more seriously, we know that the phone hasn't been selling as well in the UK and Europe as predicted - so they may be delaying the 16Gb model's introduction here to allow inventory of the 8Gb model to clear down a bit. I hope that's not the case.

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2/5/08 at 9:28am
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Originally Posted by Bobo Decosta View Post

Like people in the US even can afford an iPhone these days

To some extent I agree with Bobo. But I also think that 32G may have existed 6 months ago but was too expensive to incorporate. However, if 32G got cheaper, certainly 16G and 8G got cheaper as well and this just means that Apple is making even more profits off the Touch!

Good for them I say, but personally, I'm pretty sure when autumn comes, the 8G vill be gone, and 16, 32 and maybe 48G will be there but at a 100 dollars less each...
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2/5/08 at 9:31am
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Gah, why did they have to raise the price 100 bucks, faaaaaaaaaaaack.

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You are not very observant are you?

Haha yes it is a NEW model at a higher price! Not the SAME model at a higher price...LOL
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post #73 of 226
2/5/08 at 9:49am
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Do you not understand how nothing got cheaper in the product line. The 32GB is a new iTouch. The 16 and 8 GBs are over 6 months old- where is the price reduction?????

My reply was to someone who was excited about the 32GB capacity option. Your reading comprehension is either lower than normal or you are purposely altering what I stated for some secret agenda.

CoolHandPete wrote, "I'm still glad they responded to the apparently strong voice of the consumers who've asked for this (me included)."
Solipsism wtrote, "This has nothing to do with an initial oversight or listening to customers demands. It is merely the natural projection of technology getting cheaper and small[er] over time."

Clearly implying that a 32GB SSD iPhone/Touch was either too expensive and/or not physically possible within the constraints of the device, not that they listened to the customer as an after thought and rushed to get in their. I never stated that iPhone/Touch have become cheaper. I never stated that Apple is required to lower prices of its current product line the moment technology becomes cheaper.

If you have trouble reading my posts then I suggest you ignore them. I can not cater my responses to the least common denominator; I simply don't have the patience for it.
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post #74 of 226
2/5/08 at 9:56am
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Originally Posted by aegisdesign View Post

£329 (inc VAT) for the 16GB iPhone here in the UK. That's $650. Ouch!

Hey, it's not our fault you live in a country with 17.5% VAT. Without VAT, it's a little over $550, so it's not that far off from the US price, only 10% higher. Talk to your government if you feel ripped off. Or buy it on eBay, where you can probably get it for about US retail price and there's no VAT.
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2/5/08 at 9:56am
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Good for them I say, but personally, I'm pretty sure when autumn comes, the 8G vill be gone, and 16, 32 and maybe 48G will be there but at a 100 dollars less each...

I'd say by June at the latest. This new $500 iPod is a bit much to touch- no pun intended.
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2/5/08 at 9:58am
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My reply was to someone who was excited about the 32GB capacity option. Your reading comprehension is either lower than normal or you are purposely altering what I stated for some secret agenda.

If you have trouble reading my posts then I suggest you ignore them. I can not cater my responses to the least common denominator; I simply don't have the patience for it.

You're much too paranoid, your majesty.
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2/5/08 at 10:06am
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Hey, it's not our fault you live in a country with 17.5% VAT. Without VAT, it's a little over $550, so it's not that far off from the US price, only 10% higher. Talk to your government if you feel ripped off. Or buy it on eBay, where you can probably get it for about US retail price and there's no VAT.

True that, but that also means that the average European (average EU VAT range between 15-25%) get more than 10% ripped off by Apple!
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2/5/08 at 10:07am
Apple is getting there for me. When the iPhone came out I looked at that 8 gigs and the use of OS X, thought about the potential of developers jumping on an SDK and figured 8 gigs wouldn't make it. 16 gigs now look like the minimum with the SDK arriving this month. When you think of potential apps that will arrive this year along with the other stuff that will now be in a fully used iPhone memory is going to be the key.
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post #79 of 226
2/5/08 at 10:17am
I think it's hilarious that people are bitching about this. Can you imagine the bitching if Apple actually had lowered the prices?
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2/5/08 at 10:29am
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True that, but that also means that the average European (average EU VAT range between 15-25%) get more than 10% ripped off by Apple!

That's not the whole story. The higher cost of living in the EU means that the cost of distribution is higher, then there's the warranty work and so on.
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