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post #81 of 226
2/5/08 at 10:30am
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Are there Penryn-based notebooks in mass production? Apple seems to delay updates until they have enough chips to supply their demand.

Why would you use the term delay?
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post #82 of 226
2/5/08 at 10:32am
So they release a 32 GB iTouch but only release a 16 GB iPhone??? Come on! I would be buying a new iPhone today if they had released a 32 GB model. I don't know about most of you, but my 80 GB video iPod is 80% full. I want one device to do it all. I want to combine my iPod, Phone and my Palm into one device. 16 GB just wont cut it.
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post #83 of 226
2/5/08 at 10:38am
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Why would you use the term delay?

Why would you object to it?
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post #84 of 226
2/5/08 at 10:39am
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So they release a 32 GB iTouch but only release a 16 GB iPhone??? Come on! I would be buying a new iPhone today if they had released a 32 GB model. I don't know about most of you, but my 80 GB video iPod is 80% full. I want one device to do it all. I want to combine my iPod, Phone and my Palm into one device. 16 GB just wont cut it.

I think it's probably a demand issue. Apple is always careful about maintaining price-points, and seems to know what the market will support. Clearly, they feel the market will support a 32 GB iPod Touch at $499, but not an iPhone with the same storage for what may have been $100 more.

I am surprised they added a "high-end" iPod Touch for a $100 premium, but apparently they are figuring it will increase in popularity once the SDK comes out. Space will certainly be an issue with so much new software being released over the coming months, so it makes sense. But it still surprises me that they chose to expand the line so quickly. I'm swaying toward buying one myself. I find myself adding the total space of my iTunes files on a weekly basis nowadays!
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post #85 of 226
2/5/08 at 10:51am
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Why would you object to it?

He didn't object! He merely asked you a question.
I truly find it amazing how easy it is for us all to misunderstand each other.
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post #86 of 226
2/5/08 at 10:55am
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Originally Posted by Kolchak View Post

Hey, it's not our fault you live in a country with 17.5% VAT. Without VAT, it's a little over $550, so it's not that far off from the US price, only 10% higher. Talk to your government if you feel ripped off. Or buy it on eBay, where you can probably get it for about US retail price and there's no VAT.

I wasn't bitching about VAT or the price difference. I quite like VAT. VAT pays for my free healthcare.

I was saying 'Ouch' because it's a very expensive locked phone when everybody else and their dog are giving away theirs here.

You may be used to low taxes and paying top whack for phones. I prefer free and slightly higher taxes.
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post #87 of 226
2/5/08 at 10:57am
CoolHandPete may have a point. Specifically, that these updates are done in preparation for the SDK which will take up more space on the devices.
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post #88 of 226
2/5/08 at 10:58am
Going to the store to buy one today!

8gig was the only thing holding me back. 16 is here, cool
Now version 2.0 might come later in the year with 3g. But I am not holding my breath. I would think at least 5 to 6 months to see a new iPhone.

Even if comes earlier, ebay is always here to sell my old one.
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post #89 of 226
2/5/08 at 11:08am
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So they release a 32 GB iTouch but only release a 16 GB iPhone??? Come on! I would be buying a new iPhone today if they had released a 32 GB model. I don't know about most of you, but my 80 GB video iPod is 80% full. I want one device to do it all. I want to combine my iPod, Phone and my Palm into one device. 16 GB just wont cut it.

If you are 80% filled then you are using 59.6GiB. You'd need a 64GiB version, which is close to a grand and not yet dense enough to fit in the space provided. As nice as it would be, a $1,300 iPhone is too rich for me.

80 Gigabytes (GB) = 74.5 Gibibytes (GiB) x .8 = 59.6
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post #90 of 226
2/5/08 at 11:32am
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CoolHandPete may have a point. Specifically, that these updates are done in preparation for the SDK which will take up more space on the devices.

Perhaps, but applications don't take up much space compared to content. I think it's just a stopgap until a 3G arrives. A way to bolster sales for a couple more months before there is a sharp decline after it is announced. Perhaps then we will see lowered prices on the 1st generation iPhone line.
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post #91 of 226
2/5/08 at 11:35am
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I don't care about 3G. In US 3G is not available in all areas. I don't want to pay more for feature that is not available in my area. I like the added memory more. I will probably replace my iphone when I they release 64 GB iPhone


Not related to the iPhone since its ATT. But if your on Sprint or Verizon 3G is available in most areas.
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post #92 of 226
2/5/08 at 11:40am
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He didn't object! He merely asked you a question.
I truly find it amazing how easy it is for us all to misunderstand each other.

I think I understood why that question was asked though. I can be wrong.
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post #93 of 226
2/5/08 at 11:44am
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Perhaps, but applications don't take up much space compared to content. I think it's just a stopgap until a 3G arrives. A way to bolster sales for a couple more months before there is a sharp decline after it is announced. Perhaps then we will see lowered prices on the 1st generation iPhone line.

Depends on the application. I've got TomTom Mobile on my now 4 year old p910i and it takes up about 400MB of one of my cards. I've also got more MAME games and SCUMMVM games than I can possibly play taking up another 800MB.

The SDK is going to increase the demand on space significantly I reckon.
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post #94 of 226
2/5/08 at 11:47am
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If you are 80% filled then you are using 59.6GiB. You'd need a 64GiB version, which is close to a grand and not yet dense enough to fit in the space provided. As nice as it would be, a $1,300 iPhone is too rich for me.

80 Gigabytes (GB) = 74.5 Gibibytes (GiB) x .8 = 59.6

So the soothsayer is now saying that a 64GB version would cost $1K! Dude- where did you learn to read and how do you know it would be priced as such by Apple?
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post #95 of 226
2/5/08 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by CoolHandPete View Post

I think it's probably a demand issue. Apple is always careful about maintaining price-points, and seems to know what the market will support. Clearly, they feel the market will support a 32 GB iPod Touch at $499, but not an iPhone with the same storage for what may have been $100 more.

I am surprised they added a "high-end" iPod Touch for a $100 premium, but apparently they are figuring it will increase in popularity once the SDK comes out. Space will certainly be an issue with so much new software being released over the coming months, so it makes sense. But it still surprises me that they chose to expand the line so quickly. I'm swaying toward buying one myself. I find myself adding the total space of my iTunes files on a weekly basis nowadays!

So what you are saying is, and I am being humorous here, by the time you add all that "new software over the coming months" that you will still be stucks with a 8GB iPhone but have paid Apple's 100 dollar registration fee to the world of SDK apps???

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post #96 of 226
2/5/08 at 11:55am
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Not related to the iPhone since its ATT. But if your on Sprint or Verizon 3G is available in most areas.

But I guess they are getting there... \

http://www.wireless.att.com/coverage.../popUp_3g.html

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post #97 of 226
2/5/08 at 11:56am
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Depends on the application. I've got TomTom Mobile on my now 4 year old p910i and it takes up about 400MB of one of my cards. I've also got more MAME games and SCUMMVM games than I can possibly play taking up another 800MB.

The SDK is going to increase the demand on space significantly I reckon.

That's quite a bit of data, but I think that may be an exception. Most of my apps for my Palm are about 100k or so in size, some a bit more, some a lot less. The iPhone apps I looked at generally weren't much bigger than that.
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post #98 of 226
2/5/08 at 12:01pm
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Excuse me, but what got cheaper? or smaller?

The memory has come down in price somewhat.

Recently, Flash price drops haven't kept pace with the drop in price of RAM, which has dropped precipitously. But, if Apple had put this much Flash into the devices three months ago, they would have had to raise the price by $150, or more.

I suppose, $100 was the price point they considered to be viable. Larger capacity chips(one reason for the price drop), with their lower power draw also helps.
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post #99 of 226
2/5/08 at 12:01pm
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Depends on the application. I've got TomTom Mobile on my now 4 year old p910i and it takes up about 400MB of one of my cards. I've also got more MAME games and SCUMMVM games than I can possibly play taking up another 800MB.

The SDK is going to increase the demand on space significantly I reckon.

I agree, but I most productivity apps are fairly small. How big is are the apps without the maps or game content loaded? Most productivity apps for other smartphones and the ones loaded on the iPhone are less than a few MB.

I still feel it's a more for marketing reasons to boost flattening sales after the holidays than making way for the SDK. After all there are over 4M people with iPhones that are only 4 or 8GB right now. They can't leave them without these apps.

I wonder if they will be lowering the prices of the current capacity iPhone when 3G arrives?


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So the soothsayer is now saying that a 64GB version would cost $1K! Dude- where did you learn to read and how do you know it would be priced as such by Apple?

http://www.google.com/products?q=64+...=next&start=10
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post #100 of 226
2/5/08 at 12:04pm
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Not related to the iPhone since its ATT. But if your on Sprint or Verizon 3G is available in most areas.

If you didn't notice we are talking about the iPhone here and using it on the official network (AT&T) in the US is part of the iPhone package.
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post #101 of 226
2/5/08 at 12:04pm
My disappointment was that Apple didn't release a 16 GB 3G iPod nano. That would have been a hot seller and at 16 GB of memory, that's more than enough to hold quite a lot of music and even music videos.
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post #102 of 226
2/5/08 at 12:05pm
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Post from 'aiolos': [QOUTE]Gah, why did they have to raise the price 100 bucks, faaaaaaaaaaaack.



Some of it is!

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For 100 bucks, iPod touch with the 32GB model, gets a memory increase of 16GB versus the 8GB memory increase for the iPhone for that same 100 dollars.

in otherwords, 8GB FREE memory for the iPod Touch

What Apple is likely doing, is to some extent, averaging the price increases.

Companies almost always do that. They are also likely accepting a slightly lower margin on the iTouch when compared to the iPhone.
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post #103 of 226
2/5/08 at 12:09pm
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The iPhone and iTouch is what we talking about here and neither got cheaper. If the 32GB SSD is cheaper than why is the 16GB and 8 GB the same price? You can't say the 32 iTouch is cheaper if it never existed before. Your reasoning once again makes no sense.

The lower priced chips drop in price much less than the higher priced chips do.

Look at older RAM. You will notice that the older chips, per capacity, can actuslly cost more than the newer higher capacity chips.

I suspect that Apple will either lower the price on the older models later, or discontinue them when the price on the larger memory drops enough.

By not trying to drop the price on the lower cap models now, they also partly subsidize the price of the newer models, encouraging people to buy them instead, which will happen in a good number of instances.

This is all standard business practice.
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post #104 of 226
2/5/08 at 12:13pm
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Why would you object to it?

It implies intention. We don't know that.
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post #105 of 226
2/5/08 at 12:14pm
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The lower priced chips drop in price much less than the higher priced chips do...

I suspect he knows that. If you look at his posting history you'll see that he often tries to goad me in on these forums. Something about me not agreeing with his desire for AppleTV to play DVDs remotely, I think.
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post #106 of 226
2/5/08 at 12:16pm
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I wasn't bitching about VAT or the price difference. I quite like VAT. VAT pays for my free healthcare.

You have no free healthcare. You pay for every penny. VAT and (much) higher taxes.

We don't have that, so we don't all have "free" healthcare, but we might get it if a Democrat is elected.
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post #107 of 226
2/5/08 at 12:17pm
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It implies intention. We don't know that.

I don't think it necessarily has to mean that they had intent or even a choice. If the chips aren't available to Apple, they have nothing to announce.
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post #108 of 226
2/5/08 at 12:21pm
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I suspect he knows that. If you look at his posting history you'll see that he often tries to goad me in on these forums. Something about me not agreeing with his desire for AppleTV to play DVDs remotely, I think.

I know, we had a big argument about the price (and manufacturing methodology) for a 64GB SSD before the Air came out.
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post #109 of 226
2/5/08 at 12:30pm
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I know, we had a big argument about the price (and manufacturing methodology) for a 64GB SSD before the Air came out.

Fluck that! I'm holding out for a 64GB SSD iPod Shuffle
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post #110 of 226
2/5/08 at 12:34pm
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Why would you object to it?

Because "delay" and, in particular, "seems to delay" has such a nefarious undertone to it.

Your immediate question, i.e., "Are there Penryn-based notebooks in mass production?" was perfect.

Having said that, a better follow-up might have been, "Undoubtedly, Apple wouldn't purposely delay an update if there were enough chips to supply the demand. That is, if that was what you, or at least I hope you, were implying.

P.S., I hope that you understand that I didn't want your response to be misunderstood. I personally like your most recent posting, i.e., "If the chips aren't available to Apple, they have nothing to announce," is better than what I offered above.

Have a good day. Mine might have gotten off rather poorly.
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2/5/08 at 12:41pm
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Because "delay" and, in particular, "seems to delay" has such a nefarious undertone to it.

Your immediate question, i.e., "Are there Penryn-based notebooks in mass production?" was perfect.

Having said that, a better follow-up might have been, "Undoubtedly, Apple wouldn't purposely delay an update if there were enough chips to supply the demand. That is, if that was what you, or at least I hope you, were implying

Yes, that's what I mean as well. The way it was worded implied that Apple was deliberately delaying the introductions.

Now, truthfully, they do that at times. They do it to hold some event, where they announce them. I've objected to it myself. But, we don't know if that's the reason here.
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2/5/08 at 1:00pm
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You have no free healthcare. You pay for every penny. VAT and (much) higher taxes.

We also have tax credits for those that are on low incomes. Last year I spent 6 months working on personal projects so my income was pretty low. I've not added it up but I suspect the tax man paid me more back in tax credits than I did in tax to him.

So yes, we pay higher taxes, but if you're not up shit creek without a paddle if you're going through a lean patch and fall ill.

And that's why we're more used to subsidised phones. Er....


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We don't have that, so we don't all have "free" healthcare, but we might get it if a Democrat is elected.

Well, I hope so. It does strike me as particularly stupid that one of the world's richest countries doesn't look after it's poor and sick well. I wouldn't bet on it changing though. I'm always underwhelmed by politicians and their promises.
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2/5/08 at 1:08pm
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We also have tax credits for those that are on low incomes. Last year I spent 6 months working on personal projects so my income was pretty low. I've not added it up but I suspect the tax man paid me more back in tax credits than I did in tax to him.

So yes, we pay higher taxes, but if you're not up shit creek without a paddle if you're going through a lean patch and fall ill.

And that's why we're more used to subsidised phones. Er....




Well, I hope so. It does strike me as particularly stupid that one of the world's richest countries doesn't look after it's poor and sick well. I wouldn't bet on it changing though. I'm always underwhelmed by politicians and their promises.

For the most part, people here DON"T want the government to provide them with the "cradle to the grave" services demanded in Europe.

If you've been following the election process here, you will see that a very large part of the public would prefer even MORE tax cuts instead.

I can give a good example from my own company.

We had a healthcare plan that even included dental services, and eyeglasses. For a small company (75 people at the highest), that was pretty good, and I was proud of it.

But I used to have employees regularly come to me to ask if I could drop their healthcare in exchange for some more money in their paycheck. If they insisted, I had no choice but to do that, but it was a foolish thing to do. Very shortsighted. But, people are like that.
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post #114 of 226
2/5/08 at 1:14pm
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You are not very observant are you?

I'm just as observant as you are, thanks. I just wanted them the increase the size and keep the price the same, like they tend to do with some updates.
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2/5/08 at 1:22pm
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For the most part, people here DON"T want the government to provide them with the "cradle to the grave" services demanded in Europe.

That's maybe true for the middle classes but I suspect that the however many people without healthcare in the USA think otherwise.

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If you've been following the election process here, you will see that a very large part of the public would prefer even MORE tax cuts instead.

Yes, and I find it saddening. It's a pity the US is heading into a downturn when you've got such huge domestic problems to sort out. People seem to be thinking about their own backs not everyone's. If only you could elect out of paying such high taxes on your stupidly large defence budget eh?

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I can give a good example from my own company.

We had a healthcare plan that even included dental services, and eyeglasses. For a small company (75 people at the highest), that was pretty good, and I was proud of it.

But I used to have employees regularly come to me to ask if I could drop their healthcare in exchange for some more money in their paycheck. If they insisted, I had no choice but to do that, but it was a foolish thing to do. Very shortsighted. But, people are like that.

So perhaps the answer is you each stop paying taxes to the gov for defence and you take out personal defence insurance and just hope that enough rich people in the USA pay enough to keep an army going? It's worked well for healthcare hasn't it?
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2/5/08 at 1:36pm
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That's maybe true for the middle classes but I suspect that the however many people without healthcare in the USA think otherwise.

You'd be surprised. It was the lowest paid employees who were the most vocal in refusing my healthcare package.

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Yes, and I find it saddening. It's a pity the US is heading into a downturn when you've got such huge domestic problems to sort out. People seem to be thinking about their own backs not everyone's. If only you could elect out of paying such high taxes on your stupidly large defence budget eh?

We have such a large defense budget so that you don't. Sad, eh?

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So perhaps the answer is you each stop paying taxes to the gov for defence and you take out personal defence insurance and just hope that enough rich people in the USA pay enough to keep an army going? It's worked well for healthcare hasn't it?

Funny.
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2/5/08 at 1:44pm
I know some people are already complaining about the price(figures). But I remember the first ipod was like $500 too. And it was only 5 gigs and B&W with no video or internet!

So...in a way, the ipod touch is worth it to me.

My 60gig ipod recently broke, and I've been without music for nearly 3 weeks now. I didn't buy a new 60 gig ipod because I prefer the touch, but 16 gigs was just not enough(I have 21 gigs of audio so far).

I was HOPING a 32gig ipod touch would be released....and now my wish is answered! Thank you Apple!

Seriously. I am about to travel, and I was going to buy a new macbook(for surfing the web and email) AND an ipod...but now thanks to the touch update, I can put off my macbook purchase for now and just get the 32gig ipod touch. That way I can pretty much have a wifi laptop that fits in my pocket for my travels....which to me is so worth $500. Otherwise I'd be spending close to 2 grand for a new macbook and ipod.

For others it may not be a good deal right now. But for my situation it's perfect. :-)

Having said that, I look forward to when Apple puts a camera in this baby. Imagine being able to take pics on the fly and do video conferencing? :-) That'd be sooooo sweet.

I know the iphone has some of that now...but I travel so much, and don't like to be locked into ANY phone contract. If the iphone had a pay as you go plan, I'd be all over it. Until then, it's the ipod touch for me. :-)
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2/5/08 at 1:46pm
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Doesn't it usually work that after a long period of time the price of storage goes down? The increased model then sells for the same as the high end previous version? What gives this time? The 8 &16 GB flash drive hasn't decreased in cost since last September- 6 months? Wouldn't these drop in another 3 months at most? Who would buy now at these prices?

I think Apple probably dropped the price more than they wanted to last time, but wanted a nice even number - which is why the same lower price wasn't reflected in Europe. So although the prices for memory are going down, we won't see that in the product just yet (but yes... I would've thought European iPhone/iTouch prices would drop slightly today, but they haven't eh?? hmmm).

The 32GB is probably set reasonably correctly in price. I suppose when the 3G iPhone comes out the 2.5G models will drop in price - I wonder if the iPod Touch will drop too?

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Why only 32GB for he iPod touch?

Weird isn't it. I haven't studied the product tear downs - does an iPod touch have 2 sockets while the iPhone only has 1? Or is it just Apple's way of differentiating the products and giving the iTouch a boost?
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2/5/08 at 2:01pm
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Originally Posted by YTV View Post

Not related to the iPhone since its ATT. But if your on Sprint or Verizon 3G is available in most areas.

Yes and a iPhone with 2.5g and a different smartphone with 3G is not all that faster. Therefore I dont understand why everyone is all upset that there is no 3G.
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2/5/08 at 2:12pm
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Yes and a iPhone with 2.5g and a different smartphone with 3G is not all that faster. Therefore I dont understand why everyone is all upset that there is no 3G.

The tests do show a very comparable display between the 2.75G iPhone and a 3G non-iPhone, but I would think a 3G iPhone would easily best other 3G smartphones. If it's great enough, Apple may use such a comparison in the keynote.
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