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AT&T said Wednesday it plans a major expansion of its wireless network during the 2008 calendar year, including the deployment of third-generation (3G) wireless broadband service to more than 80 additional cities in the United States through the course of the year.

The news comes just months before Apple is expected to take the wraps off its second generation iPhone\t, which, unlike the existing version, is expected to make broad use of 3G wireless technology. The current version of the touch-screen handset only functions on slower, 2.5G networks like AT&T's Edge.

The planned expansion is expected to deliver 3G services to nearly 350 leading U.S. markets by the end of 2008, AT&T said in a statement, including all of the top 100 U.S. cities. The 3G initiative will also include the roll out of more than 1,500 additional cell towers nationwide.

"With these aggressive initiatives, we're expanding the scope and the speed of our 3G capabilities, connecting people with their world and enabling more customers to do more with their wireless devices, wherever they may be," said AT&T Wireless chief executive Ralph de la Vega. "We're also planning for the future by establishing a clear path to a 4G network that will meet the needs of our customers for years to come."

While AT&T's Edge network supports a theoretical maximum download speed of is 473.6 Kilobits per second (Kbps), real-world speeds are presumed to be much closer to 200 Kbps. By comparison, the wireless provider says its 3G network now delivers typical downlink speeds ranging between 600 and 1,400 Kbps, as well as faster uplink speeds, ranging from 500 and 800 Kbps.

Though widely renowned for its advancements in software and interface design with the iPhone, Apple has been on the receiving end of much criticism for its decision to forgo 3G support in the inaugural version of the handset in favor of 2.5G support. The move, many argue, often results in a less than optimal web browsing experience, where web pages sometimes take several minutes -- rather than several seconds -- to fully load.

For its part, Apple has long maintained that a 3G iPhone is within its sights. However, company chief executive Steve Jobs has said that battery life on 3G devices has thus far proven too poor to commission a release.

"We've got to see the battery lives for 3G get back up into the five-plus-hour range,'' he said last September during the UK iPhone launch. "Hopefully we'll see that late next year.''

Since then, however, reports from at least one mainstream media publication have suggested a 3G iPhone could be ready for market by late May or early June. AT&T Inc. chief executive Randall Stephenson has also vouched for the arrival of a 3G iPhone in the near term, claiming in November that customers would "have it next year."

In some related news out of AT&T on Wednesday, the company also said its plans to complete the nation's first High Speed Uplink Packet Access (HSUPA)-enabled network by the middle of the year.

The deployment of HSUPA is the next step in the evolution of its 3G network with further enhancements and speed boosts expected in the near future. This year's HSUPA deployment will complete the transition of the AT&T 3G network to High Speed Packet Access (HSPA) standards, the carrier said, marking the only full transition by any wireless provider in the United States to this latest generation of wireless broadband capabilities.

"From the beginning, our wireless network has been designed with the future in mind," said de la Vega. "The capabilities of 3G standards will continue to expand over the next several years, enabling us to stay well ahead of our customers' broadband needs."
post #2 of 89
Sounds good to me, so, what speeds are the other carriers currently able to reach right now. I know Sprint and Verizon have speedy networks but don't know what their d-load speeds are at.

I was already predicting that Apple's 3G phone won't happen til' early 2009 and I still stand by that.
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I was already predicting that Apple's 3G phone won't happen til' early 2009 and I still stand by that.

I'd say that prediction is off because of S.J.'s statement that 3G modules with Apple's required power specs won't hit the market till early '08.
post #4 of 89
Wow the US enters the 21st century.
post #5 of 89
Well, I hope that AT&T lives up to its word as they have supposedly been upgrading all along (and like Edge's actual speed be prepared for the same with 3G). The problem is AT&T's shotgun effect of upgrading 3G. Apple also needs to get a clue, and provide an extended battery for those who want extended battery life.
post #6 of 89
wait! iPhone Pro coming?

why they released 16gb iPhone if 3G is coming soon? i do not understand the logic, i guess 3g is far away with 16g addition

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post #7 of 89
Won't installing a 3G radio break the iPhone's world phone-ness? My understanding is that the US/AT&T uses different 3G frequencies from at least the countries in Europe and in order to fit all of the radios in the case others will have to come out. This was my experience with a a Motorola V3XX, at least.
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HSDPA/HUSPA (down/upstream) = 7.2Mbit/2.0Mbit... (HSDPA has several speed bumps, at 7.2Mbit, 3.6Mbit, 1.8Mbit) but my guess is that at&t put the latest HSDPA in their new cell towers, bumping the speed to 7.2/2.0Mbit
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Won't installing a 3G radio break the iPhone's world phone-ness? My understanding is that the US/AT&T uses different 3G frequencies from at least the countries in Europe and in order to fit all of the radios in the case others will have to come out. This was my experience with a a Motorola V3XX, at least.

Band I (W-CDMA 2100) in Europe and Asia (Brazilian and Canadian mobile carriers will deploy W-CDMA 2100 as well)
Band IV (W-CDMA 1700) in America (T-Mobile)
Band V (W-CDMA 850) in Australia (Telstra NextG), Brazil (Telemig Celular and Claro) and Canada (Rogers Wireless)
Band VIII (W-CDMA 900) in Europe (e.g. Elisa Oyj)
1900 / 850 (independently, for both the uplink and downlink) for the United States (AT&T Mobility)

good cell hardware is quad band for UMTS/HSDPA/HUSPA

the 3G iphone will work in north america as it will in europe, even australia... only if non W-CDMA is used the 2nd generation iphone will not be able to connect... but since roaming is still very expensive this is all very theoretical, unless one gets local SIM-card and avoids the roaming charges... that's the major advantage over sprint and the other providers using CDMA/TDMA in the USA, their hardware can not change their programmed provider... GSM/UMTS(HSDPA) is the way to go and in the long run the providers will switch to SIM-card based systems! hardware si cheaper and roaming charges from travelers can be collected...
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Wow the US enters the 21st century.

No - just AT&T.
post #11 of 89
To the guy that stands by his 2009 prediction, you are probably the closest of them all but only off by about 3 years. 3G is more than just base stations, it is billing systems, all new radios, all new infrastructure. The experts in the field, i.e. the European operators took only 7 years to get it almost correct and you think AT&T, the worse operator in the world will do it in 2. Good luck. Now I know why the iPhone was launched in the US. Apparently gullible people are easier to fool outright. Did anyone see Apple file with the FCC for licenses for the 3G radios in the new 3G iPhone? Nope, didn't think so. This takes about 6 months to a year as well.

Stick to EDGE. This is suited to the slower way of thinking. Apple and AT&T have been jerking you guys around and you fall for it hook line and sinker every time. In the mean time, Nokia will release its new TS UI phones that they have had on the shelf to see if they were marketable (kudos to Apple for show the world is now ready for TS UI), and their new Ovi music/social networking service.

By the way, EDGE uses more power than 3G. Don't forget to believe the Apple lie about this too.
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Band I (W-CDMA 2100) in Europe and Asia (Brazilian and Canadian mobile carriers will deploy W-CDMA 2100 as well)
Band IV (W-CDMA 1700) in America (T-Mobile)
Band V (W-CDMA 850) in Australia (Telstra NextG), Brazil (Telemig Celular and Claro) and Canada (Rogers Wireless)
Band VIII (W-CDMA 900) in Europe (e.g. Elisa Oyj)
1900 / 850 (independently, for both the uplink and downlink) for the United States (AT&T Mobility)

good cell hardware is quad band for UMTS/HSDPA/HUSPA

the 3G iphone will work in north america as it will in europe, even australia... only if non W-CDMA is used the 2nd generation iphone will not be able to connect... but since roaming is still very expensive this is all very theoretical, unless one gets local SIM-card and avoids the roaming charges... that's the major advantage over sprint and the other providers using CDMA/TDMA in the USA, their hardware can not change their programmed provider... GSM/UMTS(HSDPA) is the way to go and in the long run the providers will switch to SIM-card based systems! hardware si cheaper and roaming charges from travelers can be collected...

Quick lesson.
Your statement: "the 3G iphone will work in north america as it will in europe, even australia... only if non W-CDMA is used the 2nd generation iphone will not be able to connect." The iPhone will connect to all GSM networks. Not the 3G networks, but will fall back to EDGE (if they make it EDGE capable still), and GSM networks. This is standard for any phone.

You say: "UMTS/HSDPA/HUSPA".

Answer: That's only two bands but for the sake of argument, I will assume you include GSM as well. Here you are talking about 900/1800mhz, as well as the US frequencies, i.e. 850mhz.

You say: "but since roaming is still very expensive this is all very theoretical, unless one gets local SIM-card and avoids the roaming charges... that's the major advantage over sprint and the other providers using CDMA/TDMA in the USA, their hardware can not change their programmed provider... GSM/UMTS(HSDPA) is the way to go and in the long run the providers will switch to SIM-card based systems! hardware si cheaper and roaming charges from travelers can be collected..."

Answer: Sorry but this is not theoretical. Europe has been a one SIM card user almost from the beginning. I have one SIM and I use my one phone (Nokia) all over the world, and I use my unlocked iPhone all over the world as well via ONE SIM card. SOOOOOOOOOO........ you are a bit incorrect in much of what you said but at least you are thinking.
post #13 of 89
Even in Des Moines, a city of over half a million people, AT&T is still the only provider that has no 3G service. I've seen three different articles on AT&T's planned expansion, and none of them have given a list of cities they plan to expand to. I really hope that Des Moines is one of them.

I mean, I can't imagine Apple would be too happy selling a 3G iPhone at their West Des Moines store knowing that their customers will be limited to EDGE speeds. Apple certainly won't sell a 3G iPhone that doesn't work in their own stores!
post #14 of 89
I hope they hurry up a bit because Europe is waiting for a 3G iPhone! I just broke my 3G phone this weekend and I refuse to buy an iPhone without 3G. How cool the iPhone is right now it still looks like a yesterdays phone without 3G.
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I hope they hurry up a bit because Europe is waiting for a 3G iPhone! I just broke my 3G phone this weekend and I refuse to buy an iPhone without 3G. How cool the iPhone is right now it still looks like a yesterdays phone without 3G.

Actually, you are correct. If you remove the UI and just look at the technology, the iPhone is 3 to 4 years old. Smart marketing and not so bright customers make for rich Apple/AT&T. Go take a look at Nokia's N82 or even the N81. These are "real" smartphone, offering real functionality.
post #16 of 89
According to the latest chart from AT&T, 38 states currently have some form of 3G support, though in many access is limited to just a handful of major metropolitan areas.

Until we have a network to run it on, having 3G in an iPhone is like owning a Ferrari in the middle of a sandy desert. Nice to look at, but it's not going to take you anywhere.
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Quick lesson.
Your statement: "the 3G iphone will work in north america as it will in europe, even australia... only if non W-CDMA is used the 2nd generation iphone will not be able to connect." The iPhone will connect to all GSM networks. Not the 3G networks, but will fall back to EDGE (if they make it EDGE capable still), and GSM networks. This is standard for any phone.

You say: "UMTS/HSDPA/HUSPA".

Answer: That's only two bands but for the sake of argument, I will assume you include GSM as well. Here you are talking about 900/1800mhz, as well as the US frequencies, i.e. 850mhz.

You say: "but since roaming is still very expensive this is all very theoretical, unless one gets local SIM-card and avoids the roaming charges... that's the major advantage over sprint and the other providers using CDMA/TDMA in the USA, their hardware can not change their programmed provider... GSM/UMTS(HSDPA) is the way to go and in the long run the providers will switch to SIM-card based systems! hardware si cheaper and roaming charges from travelers can be collected..."

Answer: Sorry but this is not theoretical. Europe has been a one SIM card user almost from the beginning. I have one SIM and I use my one phone (Nokia) all over the world, and I use my unlocked iPhone all over the world as well via ONE SIM card. SOOOOOOOOOO........ you are a bit incorrect in much of what you said but at least you are thinking.

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P.S. I am fully aware of the potential hypocrisy of my post... I just had to say something...
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Congratulations! You just won the award for snottiest post ever! To claim your reward, simply blow your nose in some tissue, then hang the tissue on the wall!

P.S. I am fully aware of the potential hypocrisy of my post... I just had to say something...

No problems. I have a cold anyway. Thanks for the suggestion.

My response was probably due to day in and day out hearing how Apple and AT&T are doing all they can to help the customer and people buy it. Apple and AT&T is a biz who's loyalty is to the shareholder first and foremost. Bottom line.

To the OP, take heart, you are not the only one to have believed this line before.

Snotty attitude rescinded but factual info remains.
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"From the beginning, our wireless network has been designed with the future in mind," said de la Vega. "The capabilities of 3G standards will continue to expand over the next several years, enabling us to stay well ahead of our customers' broadband needs."

Even if they could come out with 4G next month, developers would respond with applications to make all that bandwidth too slow by end of summer.

U.S. wireless providers make their money by giving customers only subsistence level service -- just enough to get by and stay a nose ahead of the competition. It's a sick situation in which customers' broadband needs will never be met.

We don't need a new iPhone; we need a new wireless industry.
post #20 of 89
Things are lining up nicely that favor a 3G iPhone launch by June. Will Apple release a 32GB 3G iPhone at that time? I think so.
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No problems. I have a cold anyway. Thanks for the suggestion.

My response was probably due to day in and day out hearing how Apple and AT&T are doing all they can to help the customer and people buy it. Apple and AT&T is a biz who's loyalty is to the shareholder first and foremost. Bottom line.

To the OP, take heart, you are not the only one to have believed this line before.

Snotty attitude rescinded but factual info remains.

People complain about 3G, yet Wifi is much faster than 3G anyways. If you can't find a wifi signal somewhere close by, you must live in the desert!

iPhone has wifi, and the iPhone safari browser loads pages much faster on EDGE than Nokia "smart"phones load pages on 3G! What does that tell you? Believing Nokia, or the typical Apple-bashers lies now are we?
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We don't need a new iPhone; we need a new wireless industry.

I guess it is possible that if Google won the wireless spectrum auction,
they might shake things up, but it would likely be several years before
consumers got any benefit.
post #23 of 89
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By the way, EDGE uses more power than 3G. Don't forget to believe the Apple lie about this too.

Until you supply support for your 'lie', I'll stick by Jobs when he stated,

"When we looked at 3G, the chipsets are not quite mature, in the sense that they're not low-enough power for what we were looking for. They were not integrated enough, so they took up too much physical space. We cared a lot about battery life and we cared a lot about physical size. Down the road, I'm sure some of those tradeoffs will become more favorable towards 3G but as of now we think we made a pretty good doggone decision."

and as supported in, amongst others, this article by AnaddTech. http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=3036
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Until you supply support for your 'lie', I'll stick by Jobs when he stated,

"When we looked at 3G, the chipsets are not quite mature, in the sense that they're not low-enough power for what we were looking for. They were not integrated enough, so they took up too much physical space. We cared a lot about battery life and we cared a lot about physical size. Down the road, I'm sure some of those tradeoffs will become more favorable towards 3G but as of now we think we made a pretty good doggone decision."

and as supported in, amongst others, this article by AnaddTech. http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=3036

I tend to get my info directly from Nokia and SE (do they still make phones) engineers as well as Vodafone, guys in the field building the network. EDGE starts out at full power and steps down as needed. 3G amps up if needed. Also 3 G antennae are lower and the cells a bit more dense to provide better coverage.

Come to Europe, see real mobile telephony in action.
By the way, I know Steve is your hero. No worries dude.

At the end of the day, Apple could release a 3G iPhone tonight and there are very few places it would run. If it had the right radios, it would probably work here in Europe and the rest of the world. AT&T is pulling your leg with the 3G on the way song. It takes YEARS to roll out a network.
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I guess it is possible that if Google won the wireless spectrum auction,
they might shake things up, but it would likely be several years before
consumers got any benefit.

Google dosent need to win it. They just have to stick to their $4.6B minimum bid so that standard remains open.
post #26 of 89
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Actually, you are correct. If you remove the UI and just look at the technology, the iPhone is 3 to 4 years old. Smart marketing and not so bright customers make for rich Apple/AT&T. Go take a look at Nokia's N82 or even the N81. These are "real" smartphone, offering real functionality.

I don't care what the innards are like & if they are 20 year old designs. The use of the iPhone is what matters to me & it is vastly superior to all the many Nokia's & SE phones that I have had - 3G ones included

The functionality of the iPhone is perfect for me - faster downloads would be nice, bit doesn't affect my enjoyment & looking at internet sites is soo much better than with other phones that I am really pleased with it. This coupled with the integration with my apply computer makes it great.

In fact, I am just sitting next to a colleague who loves her iPhone that much that she has swapped her windows laptop for a 15" MBP (which she is using as I type & loves!)

3G iPhone will be nice, but hasn't diminished my enjoyment of the 2.5G version
post #27 of 89
People shout they want a flying car - you can buy one for $350k, you still want one?

People shout they want 3G but are they willing to pay $60 a month EXTRA like Sprint now?

Are they willing to accept a 2 hour battery life?

http://2aday.wordpress.com/2007/12/0...hone-going-3g/
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People complain about 3G, yet Wifi is much faster than 3G anyways. If you can't find a wifi signal somewhere close by, you must live in the desert!

That's more than a bit much to say. I ran the numbers on a major city and by land area, the open WiFi APs cover about 0.01% of the city.

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iPhone has wifi, and the iPhone safari browser loads pages much faster on EDGE than Nokia "smart"phones load pages on 3G! What does that tell you? Believing Nokia, or the typical Apple-bashers lies now are we?

Nokia aren't the only makers of 3G hardware.

But I haven't seen a claim like yours, even on this site.
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Quick lesson.
Your statement: "the 3G iphone will work in north america as it will in europe, even australia... only if non W-CDMA is used the 2nd generation iphone will not be able to connect." The iPhone will connect to all GSM networks. Not the 3G networks, but will fall back to EDGE (if they make it EDGE capable still), and GSM networks. This is standard for any phone.

You say: "UMTS/HSDPA/HUSPA".

Answer: That's only two bands but for the sake of argument, I will assume you include GSM as well. Here you are talking about 900/1800mhz, as well as the US frequencies, i.e. 850mhz.

You say: "but since roaming is still very expensive this is all very theoretical, unless one gets local SIM-card and avoids the roaming charges... that's the major advantage over sprint and the other providers using CDMA/TDMA in the USA, their hardware can not change their programmed provider... GSM/UMTS(HSDPA) is the way to go and in the long run the providers will switch to SIM-card based systems! hardware si cheaper and roaming charges from travelers can be collected..."

Answer: Sorry but this is not theoretical. Europe has been a one SIM card user almost from the beginning. I have one SIM and I use my one phone (Nokia) all over the world, and I use my unlocked iPhone all over the world as well via ONE SIM card. SOOOOOOOOOO........ you are a bit incorrect in much of what you said but at least you are thinking.

1st: regarding GSM, i was talking about data services only, not voice... (and when connected to 3G your phones does everything via that cnnection, also voice. once your back on a GSM channel you will do your voice via GSM again)

2nd: roaming, if you use your home SIM-card everywhere in the world you must be pretty rich, or your company pays the horrendous bill... for people like me that are self employed and always try to save a buck or two it makes sense to have SIM card for each country you regularly travel to. i don't take my SIM-card out if i travel to that country only once... doesn't make sense economically...
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I tend to get my info directly from Nokia and SE (do they still make phones) engineers as well as Vodafone, guys in the field building the network. EDGE starts out at full power and steps down as needed. 3G amps up if needed. Also 3 G antennae are lower and the cells a bit more dense to provide better coverage.

Come to Europe, see real mobile telephony in action.
By the way, I know Steve is your hero. No worries dude.

At the end of the day, Apple could release a 3G iPhone tonight and there are very few places it would run. If it had the right radios, it would probably work here in Europe and the rest of the world. AT&T is pulling your leg with the 3G on the way song. It takes YEARS to roll out a network.

He asked for supporting evidence, not 'a friend of a friend told me once' BS.
Your ode to "Nokia and SE" reveal your troll status. Go back under your bridge or supply evidence, not hearsay.
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P.S. I am fully aware of the potential hypocrisy of my post... I just had to say something...

thank you for speaking out on my behalf;-)
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People complain about 3G, yet Wifi is much faster than 3G anyways. If you can't find a wifi signal somewhere close by, you must live in the desert!

iPhone has wifi, and the iPhone safari browser loads pages much faster on EDGE than Nokia "smart"phones load pages on 3G! What does that tell you? Believing Nokia, or the typical Apple-bashers lies now are we?

not really true, the latest HSDPA standard is 7.2/14.4Mbit (7.2Mbit readily available)

my DSL @ home is 16Mbit down, but i think i'm one of the lucky few with broadband that fast @ home (i know, there's faster lines, but hose are even more rare, especially in the US. here in germany average is below 6Mbit, in the US average is between 1.5-3.0Mbit)
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I tend to get my info directly from Nokia and SE (do they still make phones) engineers as well as Vodafone, guys in the field building the network. EDGE starts out at full power and steps down as needed. 3G amps up if needed. Also 3 G antennae are lower and the cells a bit more dense to provide better coverage.

Come to Europe, see real mobile telephony in action.
By the way, I know Steve is your hero. No worries dude.

At the end of the day, Apple could release a 3G iPhone tonight and there are very few places it would run. If it had the right radios, it would probably work here in Europe and the rest of the world. AT&T is pulling your leg with the 3G on the way song. It takes YEARS to roll out a network.

your raging about Apple but believe Nokia???

real liufe tests have shown that most nokia 3G hardware empty their batteries within 2 hours! compare that to an iphone on EDGE/GPRS... my iphone normally has 50% left after 2 hours of internet on my cell providers GPRS network...

and the big testing authorities also confirm that 3G phones are empty after around 2 hours of use on a 3G network....
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Sounds good to me, so, what speeds are the other carriers currently able to reach right now. I know Sprint and Verizon have speedy networks but don't know what their d-load speeds are at.

I was already predicting that Apple's 3G phone won't happen til' early 2009 and I still stand by that.

Whenever that is, I still want one. I cant lived without my iphone.. its my im, my email, my web browser, my ipod, and my phone..
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I don't care what the innards are like & if they are 20 year old designs. The use of the iPhone is what matters to me & it is vastly superior to all the many Nokia's & SE phones that I have had - 3G ones included

The functionality of the iPhone is perfect for me - faster downloads would be nice, bit doesn't affect my enjoyment & looking at internet sites is soo much better than with other phones that I am really pleased with it. This coupled with the integration with my apply computer makes it great.

In fact, I am just sitting next to a colleague who loves her iPhone that much that she has swapped her windows laptop for a 15" MBP (which she is using as I type & loves!)

3G iPhone will be nice, but hasn't diminished my enjoyment of the 2.5G version

i couldn't agree more;-)
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your raging about Apple but believe Nokia???

real liufe tests have shown that most nokia 3G hardware empty their batteries within 2 hours! compare that to an iphone on EDGE/GPRS... my iphone normally has 50% left after 2 hours of internet on my cell providers GPRS network...

and the big testing authorities also confirm that 3G phones are empty after around 2 hours of use on a 3G network....

whatever your argument is, 3G takes up more battery than EDGE when used.
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Originally Posted by mdotdubz View Post

People complain about 3G, yet Wifi is much faster than 3G anyways. If you can't find a wifi signal somewhere close by, you must live in the desert!

iPhone has wifi, and the iPhone safari browser loads pages much faster on EDGE than Nokia "smart"phones load pages on 3G! What does that tell you? Believing Nokia, or the typical Apple-bashers lies now are we?

some 3g has a download speed ranging from 1mbps to 2.5 mbps. Kinda expensive though..
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not really true, the latest HSDPA standard is 7.2/14.4Mbit (7.2Mbit readily available)

my DSL @ home is 16Mbit down, but i think i'm one of the lucky few with broadband that fast @ home (i know, there's faster lines, but hose are even more rare, especially in the US. here in germany average is below 6Mbit, in the US average is between 1.5-3.0Mbit)

are talking bit or byte? there is a difference.. Bit is smaller than byte..
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Even if they could come out with 4G next month, developers would respond with applications to make all that bandwidth too slow by end of summer.

U.S. wireless providers make their money by giving customers only subsistence level service -- just enough to get by and stay a nose ahead of the competition. It's a sick situation in which customers' broadband needs will never be met.

We don't need a new iPhone; we need a new wireless industry.

what do you mean wireless industry? dont we have one already??
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Things are lining up nicely that favor a 3G iPhone launch by June. Will Apple release a 32GB 3G iPhone at that time? I think so.

hahahahah maybe i'll wait for that one.. or should i wait for the 64GB iphone for $1000?? hahahah
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