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post #1 of 45
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I love this phone but I have gotten to the point I wished I never purchased it. As a motorcycle rider in today communications age you want to be able to use your phone on your motorcycle. For the millions of Harley owners out there in the world this phone will not interface into your bikes com systems like so many other phones can on the market.

Because of it's non standard headset jack many other third party products also can't be used without spending 1000.00+ dollars and doing custom changes to make it work.

Why Apple did not put the basic industry standard bluetooth profile support is just beyond me. You don't even have the option to set the phone to auto answer in hands free mode while using a headset.

Like I said I love this phone but my love for riding is much bigger so this phone is going in drawer or going to be given to my wife and a replacement is in the works for me. I just wish I would of stayed with my other phone company


UPDATED....

This was posted at the time of the version one iphone. I currently have the 3Gs and have it linked into my bikes comm system with the Zumo and it works great.... but the first version had issues...
post #2 of 45
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Originally Posted by Gizmo-xl View Post

Because of it's none standard headset jack many other third party products also can't be used without spending 1000.00+ dollars and doing custom changes to make it work.


headphone jack adapter: $7.99

http://www.newertech.com/products/iph12.php

It's not ideal but it works and it's a lot less than 1000.00+ dollars.


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Like I said I love this phone but my love for riding is much bigger so this phone is going in drawer or given to my wife and a replacement is in the works for me. I just wish I would of stayed with my other phone company

Maybe this will teach you to do some research next time you want to make an expensive purchase. Think of it as a learning experience.
post #3 of 45
i ride motorcycles and i own an iphone. i don't think i have the desire to be talking on my cell phone while i'm riding.s
post #4 of 45
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Originally Posted by Daffy_Duck View Post

headphone jack adapter: $7.99

http://www.newertech.com/products/iph12.php

It's not ideal but it works and it's a lot less than 1000.00+ dollars.




Maybe this will teach you to do some research next time you want to make an expensive purchase. Think of it as a learning experience.

This cable does not address the problem in anyway. Trust me I did my research the hardware supports the bluetooth profiles. It is based on the OSX OS that supports all the profiles but Apple decided not to leave them in the OSX version they installed on the phone. As to how other features work inside the phone and all the options nothing to that level of detail has not been posted about the phone.

And the reason for this post is to make it clear to anyone else wanting the same usability I do that this PHONE WILL NOT SUPPORT IT. So they can make an informed choice before a purchase.
post #5 of 45
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Originally Posted by admactanium View Post

i ride motorcycles and i own an iphone. i don't think i have the desire to be talking on my cell phone while i'm riding.s

That is your choice. But it is not mine. I like to listen to music while I ride and and also be able to talk to others while I ride and this phone makes it very hard to do that.
post #6 of 45
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Originally Posted by Gizmo-xl View Post

IAs a motorcycle rider in today communications age you want to be able to use your phone on your motorcycle. For the millions of Harley owners out there in the world this phone will not interface into your bikes com systems like so many other phones can on the market.:

Hmm... Motorcycle = Harley? Well, maybe only a Harley rider would have the bright idea of using a cell phone while riding!

Cheers
post #7 of 45
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Originally Posted by tilt View Post

Hmm... Motorcycle = Harley? Well, maybe only a Harley rider would have the bright idea of using a cell phone while riding!

Cheers

You are just to funny.....
post #8 of 45
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Originally Posted by Gizmo-xl View Post

That is your choice. But it is not mine. I like to listen to music while I ride and and also be able to talk to others while I ride and this phone makes it very hard to do that.

Sounds frustrating, sorry to hear that.
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post #9 of 45
"You don't even have the option to set the phone to auto answer in hands free mode while using a headset."


Also, that is the reason it does not work smoothly with my Dock-n-Talk which interfaces with my home phone system. I'm hoping this issue will be corrected in a future update.
post #10 of 45
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Originally Posted by tilt View Post

Hmm... Motorcycle = Harley? Well, maybe only a Harley rider would have the bright idea of using a cell phone while riding!

Cheers

*snickers*

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post #11 of 45
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Originally Posted by Gizmo-xl View Post

You are just to funny.....

no, you're being quite funny by saying that riding a motorcycle (your thread title) somehow makes an iphone an unsuitable cell phone. there are people on this thread who ride and also own iphones. the things that you'd like to do with your phone do not extrapolate to the whole of the motorcycle riding population.
post #12 of 45
True enough. I love my motorcycle and I love my iPhone. To be fair, I don't try to use them both at the same time. Sounds like Gizmo-xl is more of a long distance rider (I'm more within the city), but that's just a guess? You have a point in that context, but I don't think it's fair to make such a blanket statement.
post #13 of 45
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Originally Posted by abilstein View Post

True enough. I love my motorcycle and I love my iPhone. To be fair, I don't try to use them both at the same time. Sounds like Gizmo-xl is more of a long distance rider (I'm more within the city), but that's just a guess? You have a point in that context, but I don't think it's fair to make such a blanket statement.

You maybe be right about the statement. But I wanted the reader attention and the title got it. The point of this post was to make it clear to those that may want to use the iphone as part of a motorcycle coms system that it currently does not meet the needed requirements for that use.

Just like voice dialing.

No Stereo bluetooth or other profiles.

For many people that ride motorcycles or drive cars these are key requirements in a phone.

And yes you are right I drive hundreds of miles at a time without stopping.

I got my iphone on the day they came out and thought after the first or second update they would turn on the bluetooth profiles but that just never happened. I thought they would also have voice dialing in and update also after so many people went off because the iphone did not support it.

This is also going to be a big deal in other countries where cell phones usage on motorcycles is very common.

The iPhone could of been one of the best things to come out for the motorcycle riding community because it supported music, phone, and web, and I am sure it will soon support some type of GPS attachment and TomTom maps. This would allow the rider to only have to mount one device the iPhone on the bike and use a bluetooth helmet no wires and the rider would have all the key elements needed audio coms and maybe gps support soon. It would been a great solution, but it fell short.
post #14 of 45
Before I purchased the iphone I did quite a bit of research to know what the devices capabilities were. I use a bluetooth headset. I prefer not to talk on the phone while I am driving. Driving an automobile is dangerous enough. Making a call on a motorcycle! That's just plain crazy! I had a motorola razr with voice dialing and I never used it because it did not work some of the time. The iphone does a great job answering calls with a bluetooth head set. And that's the only time I will talk on the phone while driving. If I have to make a call, I wait until I arrive at my destination. If I really need to make a call. I will pull over and park. it's just common sense.
post #15 of 45
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Originally Posted by Gizmo-xl View Post

You maybe be right about the statement. But I wanted the reader attention and the title got it. The point of this post was to make it clear to those that may want to use the iphone as part of a motorcycle coms system that it currently does not meet the needed requirements for that use.

Just like voice dialing.

No Stereo bluetooth or other profiles.

For many people that ride motorcycles or drive cars these are key requirements in a phone.

And yes you are right I drive hundreds of miles at a time without stopping.

I got my iphone on the day they came out and thought after the first or second update they would turn on the bluetooth profiles but that just never happened. I thought they would also have voice dialing in and update also after so many people went off because the iphone did not support it.

This is also going to be a big deal in other countries where cell phones usage on motorcycles is very common.

The iPhone could of been one of the best things to come out for the motorcycle riding community because it supported music, phone, and web, and I am sure it will soon support some type of GPS attachment and TomTom maps. This would allow the rider to only have to mount one device the iPhone on the bike and use a bluetooth helmet no wires and the rider would have all the key elements needed audio coms and maybe gps support soon. It would been a great solution, but it fell short.

i've done some long rides myself and i'll refrain from getting into a pissing match between riders on what kind of riding or bikes we each choose. fact of the matter is the iphone's capabilities were well enough known when it came out that there's really no excuse for being upset about its lack of functionality. besides i know there are a lot of newer gps systems out there that accomplish everything that you're asking for and can connect to a bluetooth phone and run through a chatterbox or autocom system. those gps systems also have built-in hard drives or flash card slots. i've gone down on my bike with my nav system attached to the bars and i don't think i'd have wanted my phone to be on there anyway. i'd rather have my garmin on there. it can take a lickin and it's also much more water-resistant than the iphone.

my first reply was in response to your blanket headline which actually confused me as i couldn't see the relationship between my phone and my motorcycle. to say motorcyclists shouldn't buy iphones is a weird statement. perhaps sport-touring or long-range motorcyclists would have cleared it up.
post #16 of 45
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Please note I would not say I am really upset I except the fact I purchased the phone and knew of most of it's short falls but in the case of voice dialing and Bluetooth I just can't understand why Apple would not add the other bluetooth profiles support or voice dialing feature. The current hardware can support it and it only requires a software change.

3g or GPS is not an issue for me like most people I just wish they would turn on the features the current hardware can support.

I also agree there are all kinds of hardware you can purchase and with enough cords, converters and $$$ you can make something work.

If the phone had voice dialing and HSP (Headset Profile), HFP (Hands Free Profile), A2DP (Advanced Audio Distribution Profile ((streaming stereo)), and AVRCP (Audio Video Remote Control Profile) then the phone would not need to be mounted on the bike at all.
post #17 of 45
If you ever ride on an airplane (airline) then DON'T BUY ANY CELL PHONE, MP3 PLAYER, LAPTOP, OR ANY ELECRONIC DEVICE! because they won't let you use then during the departure and arrival portions of the flight!!

geez... the original post made about that much sense.
My iPhone earbuds fit quite comfortably in my ears inside the helmet... listening to music is not a problem... and if I'm on the highway i could stuff the mic under the helmet and talk (i suppose, i don't actually have any desire to talk on the phone while I'm riding... I ride to get AWAY from that crap ) If you're not in a situation where you can spare a hand for a moment to click the button on the cord, then perhaps the situation demands your full attention on the road anyway
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post #18 of 45
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Originally Posted by KingOfSomewhereHot View Post

i don't actually have any desire to talk on the phone while I'm riding... I ride to get AWAY from that crap

'Zactly!

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post #19 of 45
I have some theories about why these were not included.

Bluetooth:

It sucks. I've personally had more headaches with Bluetooth than just about any other technology and I am a techno nut. The only thing it is good for is pairing (moderately) securely with a headset and that's the feature they have added to the iPhone. Wifi is superior for every other application. Apple tends to be the first to leave out technologies they think are poor or outdated. As wifi chips shrink and their power usage declines, it will take bluetooth's place.

Voice dialing:

It's not difficult to make voice dialing that works. It's much more difficult to make voice dialing that works to Apple's standards of usability. That's not to say they won't do it but it will take more time and may only be available for future iPhone models.


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Originally Posted by Gizmo-xl View Post

Please note I would not say I am really upset I except the fact I purchased the phone and knew of most of it's short falls but in the case of voice dialing and Bluetooth I just can't understand why Apple would not add the other bluetooth profiles support or voice dialing feature. The current hardware can support it and it only requires a software change.

3g or GPS is not an issue for me like most people I just wish they would turn on the features the current hardware can support.

I also agree there are all kinds of hardware you can purchase and with enough cords, converters and $$$ you can make something work.

If the phone had voice dialing and HSP (Headset Profile), HFP (Hands Free Profile), A2DP (Advanced Audio Distribution Profile ((streaming stereo)), and AVRCP (Audio Video Remote Control Profile) then the phone would not need to be mounted on the bike at all.
post #20 of 45
found this thread while searching and thought I'd add my 2 bits. I got this wicked headset for my iphone. http://www.bikeintercom.com/products...ne_headset.htm
It uses dual helmet speakers and has a push to answer button. I listen to the ipod function most of the time and when a call comes in, (I slow right down, sometimes even pull over but at least i don't have to turn the engine off, pull off gloves and helmet). And I can take a call. The iphone even pauses the music and starts again after the call. There
is no better motorcycle cellular phone/smartphone on the market. I can talk up to around 60mph on the highway.
post #21 of 45
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Originally Posted by appollo View Post

found this thread while searching and thought I'd add my 2 bits. I got this wicked headset for my iphone. http://www.bikeintercom.com/products...ne_headset.htm
It uses dual helmet speakers and has a push to answer button. I listen to the ipod function most of the time and when a call comes in, (I slow right down, sometimes even pull over but at least i don't have to turn the engine off, pull off gloves and helmet). And I can take a call. The iphone even pauses the music and starts again after the call. There
is no better motorcycle cellular phone/smartphone on the market. I can talk up to around 60mph on the highway.

Appollo, Thanks for the feedback I have seen this and it is a good product that will work for most riders.

But after writing this post I had made a wiring harness for the iPhone to work with my Harley Ultra that allows the helmet coms to support the iphone (Music, and Phone functions) and also the bikes other coms (CB, Radio, Weather Rado, and GPS) and also charges the iPhone and has added amp to increase volumn to the helmet if needed at the same time for about $30.00 and if you include the bike device mount the total cost is about $120.00.

I have found this to work better than the bluetooth hands down.
post #22 of 45
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Originally Posted by admactanium View Post

i ride motorcycles and i own an iphone. i don't think i have the desire to be talking on my cell phone while i'm riding.s

Same here. And I do tour with it. I don't even feed the audio from my GPS into my helmet. I do frequently use an iPod (160 GB Classic) on longer rides though, but wired, with Etymotic IEMs.

Back to your problem...perhaps the iPhone 3.0 announcement on Tuesday will help?
post #23 of 45
I recently purchased the iPhone 3GS, and I ride a 2006 VTX 1300 Custom. I found the perfect match for using ALL of the iPhone's functions while riding (phone AND iPod): the Chatterbox XBi2 bluetooth headset. Normal price in the stores is about $229, but if you check with your local motorcycle dealers, you might find them on sale, like I did. I managed to get a brand new one for $187, tax included. You also might find them on eBaY or some other online sellers. The XBi2 is A2DP compliant, as is the iPhone 3GS, so I'm able to use all the functions of the iPhone. Oh, and I don't have to worry about breaking the law by having headphones stuck in my ears sine the XBi2 comes with helmet speakers. You just have to make sure the speakers are placed properly, or you'll have problems hearing them. They need to be positioned direclty over the ear. When positioned properly, you can enjoy your tunes or make/receive calls doing 80 with no problems in a full-face helmet (I use the open-face helmet version, I like having the boom and it's got a better windsock). I'm still learning all the ins and outs of the XBi2, but it's supposed to have VOX commands, as does the 3GS. Anyway, it's a great match for the iPhone, and costs a lot less than $1,000. Just make sure it's the XBi2, not the original XBi, as the original is not A2DP compliant.
post #24 of 45
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Originally Posted by Gizmo-xl View Post

I love this phone but I have gotten to the point I wished I never purchased it. As a motorcycle rider in today communications age you want to be able to use your phone on your motorcycle. For the millions of Harley owners out there in the world this phone will not interface into your bikes com systems like so many other phones can on the market.

Because of it's non standard headset jack many other third party products also can't be used without spending 1000.00+ dollars and doing custom changes to make it work.

Why Apple did not put the basic industry standard bluetooth profile support is just beyond me. You don't even have the option to set the phone to auto answer in hands free mode while using a headset.

Like I said I love this phone but my love for riding is much bigger so this phone is going in drawer or going to be given to my wife and a replacement is in the works for me. I just wish I would of stayed with my other phone company

Ah, motorcycles.


This post translates to me as, "I prefer to be in a constant state of 'almost-dying' while getting from point A to point B, so I choose riding a motorcycle over using an iPhone."

Brilliant.
post #25 of 45
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

Ah, motorcycles.


This post translates to me as, "I prefer to be in a constant state of 'almost-dying' while getting from point A to point B, so I choose riding a motorcycle over using an iPhone."

Brilliant.

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post #26 of 45
Using the Bluetooth feature on your iPhone and wireless headset will work fine for both Phone and music. We use chatterbox between myself and passenger.
post #27 of 45
I thought it was bad when I saw heavy equipment operators yacking on phones. Then the MBTA driver crashing while texting on a phone. Now you're telling me people talk on phones on motorcycles? I mean I talk minimally in my car, but still...on a motorcycle?! That's beyond stupid. It's suicidal. Now I have to watch out for people like you. I mean what is more important, having fun or not dying and taking out others with you on the highway? What are you, NUTS?
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post #28 of 45
So I'm gonna guess that this whole thread will be for those who ride on motorcycles and use iPhones..
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[FONT="Arial"][SIZE="5"]I snip the large font..

Pretty large fonts make browsing through posts a scary process.
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Originally Posted by SGSStateStudent View Post

Pretty large fonts make browsing through posts a scary process.

I agree, I took it out. In my opinion, it's almost never really appropriate to use font size like that on a forum. I think changing the font is a bit odd too, but I left that.

Also, holy zombie thread resurrection. The thread was dormant for a year before someone made a post March of this year. On one hand, it's good to get the discussion continuity without having lots of similar threads, on the other, people usually don't pay attention to date stamps, so the reader might be reading wildly obsolete information and not realize it. Oh well.
post #31 of 45
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I agree, I took it out. In my opinion, it's almost never really appropriate to use font size like that on a forum. I think changing the font is a bit odd too, but I left that.

Also, holy zombie thread resurrection. The thread was dormant for a year before someone made a post March of this year. On one hand, it's good to get the discussion continuity without having lots of similar threads, on the other, people usually don't pay attention to date stamps, so the reader might be reading wildly obsolete information and not realize it. Oh well.

Oh YEAH! I just noticed it.. Thanks Jeff..
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post #32 of 45
I ride a 1200cc Buell. I own and use an iPhone with stock wired earbuds. Works great. With full face helmet noise is minimal and its a breeze to answer calls, etc. I don't place calls while riding though as I value my life.
Also use the TomTom app for iPhone which gives me turn by turn through the earbuds and it is simply awesome.

To sum up, unless you're a total douche, the iphone + motorcycle riding works splendidly.
post #33 of 45
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Originally Posted by Gizmo-xl View Post

I love this phone but I have gotten to the point I wished I never purchased it. As a motorcycle rider in today communications age you want to be able to use your phone on your motorcycle. For the millions of Harley owners out there in the world this phone will not interface into your bikes com systems like so many other phones can on the market.

Because of it's non standard headset jack many other third party products also can't be used without spending 1000.00+ dollars and doing custom changes to make it work.

Why Apple did not put the basic industry standard bluetooth profile support is just beyond me. You don't even have the option to set the phone to auto answer in hands free mode while using a headset.

Like I said I love this phone but my love for riding is much bigger so this phone is going in drawer or going to be given to my wife and a replacement is in the works for me. I just wish I would of stayed with my other phone company

Sounds like a business opportunity for Harley and Apple to offer a set up to satisfy Harley and extend Apple's options.
post #34 of 45
Gizmo-xl first posted this in Feb. of 2008 , way before the 3GS and OS 3.x and Voice Control.

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post #35 of 45
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I ride a 1200cc Buell. I own and use an iPhone with stock wired earbuds. Works great. With full face helmet noise is minimal and its a breeze to answer calls, etc. I don't place calls while riding though as I value my life.
Also use the TomTom app for iPhone which gives me turn by turn through the earbuds and it is simply awesome.

To sum up, unless you're a total douche, the iphone + motorcycle riding works splendidly.

I currently have the same setup...but about to upgrade to the Nolan helmet with the N-Com Bluetooth...I would highly recommend that for wireless calls and music.

I am also considering of mounting a bracket onto the handlebars so I can view incoming calls and even GPS...

I got a 1203cc x-1 lightning....
post #36 of 45
Ok, so I've been reading this thread for a while now and can finally post. This is a bit of shameless self-promotion, albeit with an app I think many bikers with iPhones/iPod touches will find useful.

I've just released an iPhone app for bikers called Greatest Road. It helps bikers to find and exchange great places to ride. It's a pretty intuitive interface - you open the app to a map, slide and zoom to where you want, and ask for the app to show you routes in the area that other bikers have added. Each road stretch is rated on how fun, twisty and scenic it is and how good the road surface is.

You can send each stretch by email to a friend with the app on another iPhone or email it as a gpx file to yourself or others so you can load it on a standalone GPS device.

The app works across the U.S. and around the world (wherever Google Maps can see roads and give routing information).

The app is more about finding and choosing roads and exchanging directions with riding buddies than it is about providing en route directions. We hand off to the built-in Maps app but TomTom, Motion-X Drive, MobileNavigator and others are all good choices for that.

If you're interested, check out http://greatestroad.com/ .

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post #37 of 45
That about says it all to me....

I use my iphone as a phone, voice guidance navigation, digital radio, mp3 player, Market ticker, and the list goes on and on and on.....

The brilliance of the iphone is that you can do anything with it as long as you are smart enough to figure out how.... you need to ask for help instead of giving up and getting an inferior phone.... that's like getting an inferior bike... oops....
post #38 of 45
I'm a rider and I have an iPhone and I don't care if it doesn't link with the comm system that I don't use anyway.

Aside from my normal (lengthy) riding, I've got 2 Saddlesore 1000's under my belt without talking even once on a cellphone while riding. For me there is a time to talk on the phone and a time to ride and those two times never intersect.

'06 Harley Davidson Ultra Classic.
post #39 of 45
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Originally Posted by Gizmo-xl View Post

That is your choice. But it is not mine. I like to listen to music while I ride and and also be able to talk to others while I ride and this phone makes it very hard to do that.

The problem is that you titled the thread "IF you ride a motorcycle, DON'T BUY an iPhone". You should expect to get comments back about why your problem doesn't apply to everyone else (necessarily).
post #40 of 45
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

Ah, motorcycles.


This post translates to me as, "I prefer to be in a constant state of 'almost-dying' while getting from point A to point B, so I choose riding a motorcycle over using an iPhone."

Brilliant.

Completely false.
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