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post #81 of 198
2/11/08 at 7:11pm
After installing this, my MacBook started up VERY slow. However after using OnyX to clean system and user caches and running the maintenance scripts followed by a reboot, everything is back to being speedy again. Hope that helps some of you here who are experiencing a slow down after installing this.
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post #82 of 198
2/11/08 at 7:23pm
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Originally Posted by Terrible Tony View Post

Just installed 10.5.2 on a fresh install of Leopard on my iBook G4 1.33Ghz, and I'm having the exact same wireless problems I was before in 10.5.1. Won't stay connected, won't remember my password, times out when connecting.

It can't be the hardware, because it works fine in 10.4.9. I'm going to try and make my AirPort Express my wireless router again, but this is really leaving me pretty fed up.

I'm not convinced your problem is the OS either. I'm running Leopard (now 10.5.2) on a G4 pBook (1.5 Ghz) and have no problems whatsoever... connects up as soon as I open it and stays up for hours on end. No password memory problems. Also works flawlessly at hotels all over the place.

At home I use an Airport Express, on the road I'm sure it accesses all sorts of various brands.
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post #83 of 198
2/11/08 at 7:28pm
I HAVE just discovered though, that X.5.2 seems to have screwed up my ability to print to my USB printer connected to the Airport Express.
Neither the iMac nor the pBook would print after the install. I plugged the printer directly into the iMac and it prints just fine, so the driver is still in place. (Samsung 2510 B/W Laser Printer)

Oh well, I'll tackle that problem tomorrow... just leave it plugged into the iMac for now... it'll still share over the network from there.

For any helpful folks, I HAVE restarted the computers as well as the all network stuff... made no difference.
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post #84 of 198
2/11/08 at 7:33pm
I just updated my two Macs (a 2.5Ghz G5 and a 2.4Ghz MBP) to 10.5.2 and wireless file sharing using an Airport Extreme is extremely slow - maybe 50-100kps when initiated from the wireless machine (the MBP). The Internet is quick on both machines and Screen Sharing is also quick on both machines (just like in 10.5.1). Sometime file sharing starts off quickly but then comes to a virtual halt if I launch Safari or Firefox and other times it is slow from the start. I thought maybe it was due to Time Machine making its initial 10.5.2 backup but it has long since finished and the problem still exists. If I initiate the copy from the wired machine (the G5), I don't get the slowdown. If I initiate the copy from the wirelessly connected MBP, have file sharing working quickly, and launch either Safari or Firefox it will inevitably grind to a virtual halt. Closing the web browser does not cause it to speed up again.

This is a common task I perform and it worked fine in 10.5.1. I've made no other changes than updating to 10.5.2. Is anyone else having this same problem? Any ideas? I've tried rebooting the router and both machines but nothing I've tried has made a difference. I read where one other person had a similar problem but it fixed itself.
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post #85 of 198
2/11/08 at 7:38pm
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Originally Posted by KingOfSomewhereHot View Post

I'm not convinced your problem is the OS either. I'm running Leopard (now 10.5.2) on a G4 pBook (1.5 Ghz) and have no problems whatsoever... connects up as soon as I open it and stays up for hours on end. No password memory problems. Also works flawlessly at hotels all over the place.

At home I use an Airport Express, on the road I'm sure it accesses all sorts of various brands.

Switching to my AirPort Express seemed to fix it, which makes me happy and upset. I'm happy that it works now, upset that I'm losing the ability to stream audio since that involved moving the AirPort Express into another room.

I'll have to try my iBook at the school I work at tomorrow, I had a problem with the wireless where I couldn't access any websites from in Safari or Firefox but I could access them from inside Internet Explorer or Firefox in a VirtualPC session. Encountered a girl with a MacBook who was having similar problems today. (No website access, but messenger programs worked fine)

I wonder if the latest patches have introduced an incompatibility with certain routers, or if certain routers were simply broken and the latest patches revealed it?
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post #86 of 198
2/11/08 at 7:47pm
After updating to 10.5.2 and the Leopard Graphics Update this afternoon I am no longer able to either shut down or restart my computers. The Finder menu bar and desktop disappear but that's as far as it goes. The System just hangs. After several minutes if you select the Force Quit option the Finder shows up in the dialog box and it is possible to relaunch the Finder. Once again, if you try to reboot or shut down the System hangs displaying only the background screen. Eventually, the only way to shut down the computer is to to do a hard shutdown by holding the poser button down for several seconds until the machine force quits. This happens on both my PowerBook G4 and new Intel iMac 24" Extreme.
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post #87 of 198
2/11/08 at 8:00pm
Major speed decrease on my MDD G4 PPC according to XBench. Overall score went from 52.23 to 47.04. The only thing that benefitted was the OpenGL Graphics Test going from 65.73 to 68.81, woopdeedoo. Looking forward to all the fixes that have compromised a bit of speed.
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post #88 of 198
2/11/08 at 8:12pm
since i updated my mbp, my ical keeps crashing instantly after any launches...


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any thoughts?
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post #89 of 198
2/11/08 at 8:14pm
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Originally Posted by ronnsprocket View Post

since i updated my mbp, my ical keeps crashing instantly after any launches...

any thoughts?

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Thought #2: Stop opening iCal
Thought #3: Delete ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.iCal.plist and try again
Thought #4: Reinstall iCal
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post #90 of 198
2/11/08 at 8:17pm
The time machine menu item is clever. It's an animated clock with the hands going backwards.
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post #91 of 198
2/11/08 at 8:30pm
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Originally Posted by mzaslove View Post

Okay, for no apparent reason it's decided to go back to normal speed (on all drives). Triple weird... but better than being slow. Go figure.

Your drives could have been indexing for spotlight right after the update.

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post #92 of 198
2/11/08 at 8:33pm
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Originally Posted by tink View Post

Your drives could have been indexing for spotlight right after the update.

You know, hadn't thought of that. I guess after the update it decided to re-index, and that probably took a bit. Cool. If it never happens again, I'm chalking it up to your idea. Thanks.
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post #93 of 198
2/11/08 at 8:44pm
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Originally Posted by Xerothecat View Post

First Reproducible BUG for 10.5.2 ! ! !

I think reproducible means that if you tell us what to do, and we do it, we get the same bug.
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post #94 of 198
2/11/08 at 8:50pm
I am still having issues syncing iCal with .mac.

Anyone else?
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post #95 of 198
2/11/08 at 8:55pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

There is now an option in System Preferences => Desktop for turning Menu bar translucency on and off, but that won't affect the drop-down and contextual menus. They do seem less "translucency" than before. No way to change that until a hack comes around.

My Menu Bar text looks the same. It does seem less snappier than 10.5.1 and programs are taking much longer to open. I've open up everything in my Applications folder and I'm now going to restart. Perhaps it will feel the same after that.

Do you all have Intel Macs or PPC? Seems much smoother & snappy on my MacBook Pro, though graphics were better only after installing the additional graphics update.
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post #96 of 198
2/11/08 at 9:08pm


I installed 10.5.2 on a 1 GHz G4 Powerbook - 768MB RAM that worked real well with 10.5.1 but no longer boots with 10.5.2... just sits there on the initial gray apple screen.
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post #97 of 198
2/11/08 at 9:27pm
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Originally Posted by Xerothecat View Post

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First Reproducible BUG for 10.5.2 ! ! !
After updating to 10.5.2 and the Leopard Graphics Update this afternoon I am no longer able to either shut down or restart my computers. The Finder menu bar and desktop disappear but that's as far as it goes. The System just hangs. After several minutes if you select the Force Quit option the Finder shows up in the dialog box and it is possible to relaunch the Finder. Once again, if you try to reboot or shut down the System hangs displaying only the background screen. Eventually, the only way to shut down the computer is to to do a hard shutdown by holding the poser button down for several seconds until the machine force quits. This happens on both my PowerBook G4 and new Intel iMac 24" Extreme.

That's not a bug - it's a feature.
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post #98 of 198
2/11/08 at 9:51pm
we have both two g4 powerbooks and a macbook connected to an Airport Extreme base station. we also have a macpro on wired LAN. the macpro doesn't exhibit a reduction in upload speed.
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post #99 of 198
2/11/08 at 9:56pm
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Originally Posted by badtzmat View Post

I am still having issues syncing iCal with .mac.

Anyone else?

I had problems with iCal when I installed Leopard and upgraded to 10.5.1. Reseting the sync data corrected my problem.

.Mac -> Sync -> Advance -> Reset Sync Data
You are allowed to chose which data to save (.Mac or your computer) and given the option to reset the sync data for all applications or just one application.
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post #100 of 198
2/11/08 at 10:06pm
Anyone having any problems with clicking? I just installed the update on my Intel Core 2 Duo MacBook and every now and then clicks aren't being recognized. There was no issue earlier today before 10.5.2 upgrade :S
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post #101 of 198
2/11/08 at 10:15pm
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Originally Posted by ronnsprocket View Post

since i updated my mbp, my ical keeps crashing instantly after any launches...


:/


any thoughts?

Open up iSync > Preferences > Advanced > Reset Sync History. Note that this is different than what another poster posted above as this does not affect any data in any applications, it just resets the Truth database (that apps use to determine if information has changed).

When my iCal was crashing all the time on launch, this fixed it.
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post #102 of 198
2/11/08 at 10:15pm
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Originally Posted by GregAlexander View Post

Installed. Did the full combo update.

Wireless issues appear fixed!
No iSync problems (I don't use iDisk so can't comment.. but sync is fine)

I had to reboot my airport exteme manually, (unplug the power, and plug it back in) to get
it to work, and have leopard recognize the usb drive I have plugged into it....and now,
whalah, time machine is recognizing the external disc, and backing up to it!!
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post #103 of 198
2/11/08 at 10:18pm
I updated Quad G5, Quad 2.66 MP and Oct 3.2 MP. Only on the Quad 2.66 MP does the menu bar translucency option appear in the Desktop System Preference. Weird.

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post #104 of 198
2/11/08 at 10:29pm
I have a Macbook Pro.

I have had 3 complete system lock ups since installing the updates. I have never had my mac lock up before like this. I do not have any third party software installed. It seems really slow as well.
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post #105 of 198
2/11/08 at 10:37pm
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Originally Posted by Xerothecat View Post

After updating to 10.5.2 and the Leopard Graphics Update this afternoon I am no longer able to either shut down or restart my computers. The Finder menu bar and desktop disappear but that's as far as it goes. The System just hangs. After several minutes if you select the Force Quit option the Finder shows up in the dialog box and it is possible to relaunch the Finder. Once again, if you try to reboot or shut down the System hangs displaying only the background screen. Eventually, the only way to shut down the computer is to to do a hard shutdown by holding the poser button down for several seconds until the machine force quits. This happens on both my PowerBook G4 and new Intel iMac 24" Extreme.

Sounds like you have a plugin or something that is not compatible.
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post #106 of 198
2/11/08 at 10:55pm
I'm really dissapointed with this update. I was expecting the option to switch the translucency on and off like I saw in the 10.5.2 beta screenshots. But, what do you know? It isn't there. I was also really let down by the Leopard driver update. I assumed there would be a new graphics driver for older cards so that they could display a translucent menu bar.

That was the main reason I wanted the update so badly. So I could have all of the good crap on my G5.

Instead, all I got was dissapointment and an extremely long boot time.
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post #107 of 198
2/11/08 at 11:18pm
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I just want an easy way to sort book marks and a GUI way to add tabs in Safari.

Get Concierge. It's a $10 shareware thingie that adds a drawer and nice Bookmark and History views. Very nice, worth the price.

Why oh, WHY Safari still has the SAME bookmark pain, er, PANE eludes me.

It works when using WebKit, too!


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post #108 of 198
2/11/08 at 11:27pm
I updated this afternoon with the combo updater; got a double reboot as it installed a new kernel, and installed the graphics update afterward.

Everything is working flawlessly for me so far, and Finder seems "snappier" than with 10.5.1. I also have the Translucent Menubar option in Desktop/Screensaver prefs, which works just fine. Special effects in the finder, Dock suck, etc. all seem smoother and faster.

A word of advice to those who have yet to update; download and run the combo updater, don't do the incremental update through Software Update. You will always have more issues and problems that way. It's always been that way, back through the first updates to Tiger. Combo updaters just work better.

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post #109 of 198
2/11/08 at 11:32pm
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Just installed 10.5.2 on a fresh install of Leopard on my iBook G4 1.33Ghz, and I'm having the exact same wireless problems I was before in 10.5.1. Won't stay connected, won't remember my password, times out when connecting.

It can't be the hardware, because it works fine in 10.4.9. I'm going to try and make my AirPort Express my wireless router again, but this is really leaving me pretty fed up.

Try dumping all your Airport related preferences and .plist files. Restart and reconfigure your Airport settings.

You could also try deleting any custom Network Locations that use Airport and reconfigure them. Or just try ONE to see if it does anything. or ADD a Location and see if that works.

A tip: Take screenshots of your EXISTING Network System Preference windows before you mess with anything. Then give the screenshots meaningful titles and store them in a folder someplace for future reference.

I started doing this for a noobie client (to STOP the phone calls) and found it was really simple way to troubleshoot settings and REconfigure things. I do it for myself now. It beats Post-Its or text files by light years.


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post #110 of 198
2/11/08 at 11:38pm
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Originally Posted by Bowser View Post

A word of advice to those who have yet to update; download and run the combo updater, don't do the incremental update through Software Update. You will always have more issues and problems that way. It's always been that way, back through the first updates to Tiger. Combo updaters just work better.

I've been doing Combo Updates through every version of OS X and have had relatively few problems... that weren't self-inflicted. ;^)
Thank http://www.macfixit.com for the advice!

And my update went just fine as well. No problems. Yes, snappiness abounds.

Also, run Cocktail or Onyx BEFORE you run the Combo Updater to clean out all your caches and such.


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post #111 of 198
2/11/08 at 11:49pm
No problems here after installing on 2 machines.
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post #112 of 198
2/11/08 at 11:55pm
Thank goodness they're laying off the transparency. I think see-through can sometimes look messy.
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post #113 of 198
2/12/08 at 12:40am
System seems much snappier overall. I have however 2 issues, one which might be temporary, the other, I'm afraid, is much less:

TimeMachine takes forever to perform backup. I wonder what is going on. It's performing a 1.4 GB update when, since yesterday, I didn't change 1.4 GB of files!! (yes, I checked the settings of which folders are disabled, and it has kept the same folders. Someone can elaborate? Maybe TimeMachine backs new stuff up it didn't previously.

iSync completely died on me. I will try to restart the machine, but I am afraid it will not help... The app simply doesn't start at all. I have seen somebody else has this problem. Maybe they know how to fix it.


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post #114 of 198
2/12/08 at 1:13am
My update on my MacBook through Software Update went just fine. No problems so far.
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post #115 of 198
2/12/08 at 1:21am
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Originally Posted by iMat View Post

It's performing a 1.4 GB update when, since yesterday, I didn't change 1.4 GB of files!!

The OS update itself is about 1.0GB of files, it is probably backing up all the changes to the OS.
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post #116 of 198
2/12/08 at 1:34am
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Originally Posted by Mr. H View Post

How long did you give it before concluding it was hung?

Many of the latest OS X updates install stuff on the first reboot during the grey screen and then restart again - it could well be that the iMac was in this phase.

If I were you I'd:
  • Detach all external devices apart from keyboard and mouse.
  • Run disk utility to make sure the disk is OK.
  • Download the combo updater from Apple and install it again.
  • If you think it's hung at any point, wait at least 20 mins before concluding that it really is hung.

90 minutes... enough time for me to go to the gym, workout for 60 minutes, and come back.
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post #117 of 198
2/12/08 at 1:59am
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Originally Posted by schnaarf View Post

Anyone have the problem of jerky windows, dissapearing windows when they are moved around, slow jerky grid and fan movements? I'm on a 24" aluminum iMac.
thanks

It happens to me, too. Fan movement actually works fine, but not grid movement. It seems Apple wanted to make grid movement faster and they did, but not as smooth as it was in 10.5.1 :S
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post #118 of 198
2/12/08 at 2:56am
Bring back the full translucency!

I can't believe they let all these blog-whiners win on this one!
Blog writers are notoriously over-obsessed with such things, but "normal" people all thought the translucency was "cool".

Pandering to the audience... I wonder how this could happen to Steve.

:-D
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post #119 of 198
2/12/08 at 2:59am
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Originally Posted by iMat View Post

TimeMachine takes forever to perform backup. I wonder what is going on. It's performing a 1.4 GB update when, since yesterday, I didn't change 1.4 GB of files!! (yes, I checked the settings of which folders are disabled, and it has kept the same folders. Someone can elaborate? Maybe TimeMachine backs new stuff up it didn't previously.

Maybe there was an update to some OS files and it has to back up those... you know with 10.5.2 and all... just an idea.
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post #120 of 198
2/12/08 at 3:05am
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Originally Posted by Tony1 View Post

Major speed decrease on my MDD G4 PPC according to XBench. Overall score went from 52.23 to 47.04. The only thing that benefitted was the OpenGL Graphics Test going from 65.73 to 68.81, woopdeedoo. Looking forward to all the fixes that have compromised a bit of speed.

Maybe the benchmark programs need to be adjusted? Could this be possible?

Also its funny that people report everything is snappier and the benchmarkers report they lost a couple of points. Both could be right! Maybe they traded off psychological speed vs system performance?
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