Why the all new MacBook Pro has been delayed

and your sources are...
sounds good, but i'll believe the "thinner case design" when i see it.
there's too much speculation floating around.

Possibly. Like many rumors it does sound good.

Well one thing that is obvious is that the keynote was a bit short.

Sounds nice!

Yes Intel has been having problems with the design or process, I've forgotten which. This is public knowledge and apparently only impacts Intel's fastest versions.

What I find funny here is not that Intel is having problems with its next gen processor but that the world seems to move on for them without concern. AMD on the other hand is getting skewered for similar issues with Phenom. I guess there is no justice in this world if you are a favored Apple supplier.

If they are ready this soon that is actually a good thing. Penryn should make for very interesting laptops or for that matter desktops.

Well yeah that has been expected for months.

Yeah I think it is called CORE 2. If I was Jobs I wouldn't be amused either as this will cost them money and more whining from the faithful. Plus the stability of Penryn as a platform will be in question for some time. At least they still are with the leading processor manufacture.

When there is a delay whose fault it is doesn't really matter. Meeting customer expectations and delivering product on time is key to good business. The unfortunate part here is that customer expectations come not form Apple but from Rumor sites such as this.

Well yeah they always say that, and AIR has been sold that way. Not that I disagree either as there is a lot of great technology, that seems to be hitting the streets all at once, that could go into these new pro machines. The flip side of that is another round of generation one (1) machines. Considering this maybe these would be best considered as early adopter machines.

dave

I don't know the guy and certainly don't know the source but the Intel related hardware issues are public knowledge. Well at least to a certain extent.

A thinner case is actually the easiest component above to believe. Just by going to LED back lighting they should win a mm or too right there.

Well yeah that is because it is pretty obvious that plans where changed at the last minute for MWSF. I'm actually impressed that they pulled it off as well as they did.

What I'm going to wonder about is just how good the small machine will be and will all the current AIR purchasers be disappointed with their new machines.

Dave

Must say that a lot of posts like this have appeard in last weeks, my ass hurts a little because of all that screwing around that MBP.

One thing is certain, all that waiting will pay-off........................eventually

Well I certainly agree, if there's a Macbook Pro 13" in the pipes, then I definitely foresee people saying nay to the Air, and focusing on a machine with a superdrive. (which seems to be everyone's biggest beef besides the price)

just wonderin' and it sounds awesome.
I'm excited, now all they need to do is release it.

DUDE!! What about Intel's silverthorne?? Can you find out from your source if the mac touch is delayed too until Intel ships silverthorne in volume just as the penryn shipments effected the macbooks??

Please let me know??

this guy is just another one of those fakes out there who try to hype people up. Guys I can tell you now, its not coming till April. Not March, but probably in April. It won't even show up in that February event.


His first post was on 02-01-2008 @ 11:12 AM:

"This info comes to you from London via an Englishman working at Apple, (and there are more than you think ;-))

A revised MacBook Pro with a Leopard 10.5.2 update was meant to debut at MacWorld but neither was ready.

The delay for the MBP was caused by Intel Penryn processors not being available due to some production glitch. As we all know, Apple doesn't like to announce products too far ahead of their shipping dates - with the notable exception of the iPhone - so decided to delay the launch. Penryn-based PCs now good to go and begin shipping Monday.

Expect new MBP 15-inch and 17-inch within two weeks. 17-inch gets LED.
New MBP DOES feature a slightly revised case design with the new black keyboard from MBA and a larger trackpad, but is basically very similar to existing design. Think evolution not revolution.

The idea is to achieve a commonality of look across the range.
SSD will be an option offering an exceptionally fast boot time < 30 seconds.
Also seen lurking in the corridors of Cupertino was an aluminum MacBook 13". Initially available in silver, my source reckons anodized black, blue, pink and other colours will be available around September. New MacBooks will be a big story later this year. One of the range (I don't know which, maybe the black one) will have a superior spec that basically makes it a MacBook Pro 13"."

Reference: http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=83903

His second post was today, @ 11:17 AM

"The all new MacBook Pro was meant to make its debut at MacWorld in January. The big story was meant to be that while 2007 was all about the iPhone, 2008 would see Apple return to its roots: computers. Steve Jobs had planned to reveal a brand new 17" MacBook Pro, a brand new 15" MacBook Pro, (and, if my source is correct, there was even meant to be a brand new 13" model, but it isn't clear whether this was MacBook Pro or MacBook - but it is definitely aluminum). Having introduced these machines, the "...and just one more little thing." was meant to be the MacBook Air.

All of these machines feature the gesture touchpad, new keyboard, LED screens and super-sleek thinner case designs, longer battery life, lower weight than the existing line-up and 802.11n WiFi capabilities. What screwed up the launch was the manufacturing problem Intel is having with Penryn processors using the new 45Nm process. THEY STILL HAVEN'T YET SHIPPED IN VOLUME. Given that Leopard 10.5.2 wasn't ready either, the decision to pull the launch was made as a delay between announcement and launch would have killed Mac sales. As things stand, Apple will not launch any revised laptops until Penryn is up and running. That is expected to happen later this week or next week.

For these reasons, Apple is holding a special event in February which will include the iPhone SDK but no 3G iPhone yet.

Apparently, the decision to pull the launch of the revised range was only taken just before the MacWorld Conference and SJ was not amused. Fortunately, the MacBook Air uses a unique processor that was ready in time so this was unaffected by the penryn problem.
So, be patient, friends, new MBPs are coming. The delay isn't Apple's fault.
By all accounts, we'll all be delighted when these machines show-up. They'll be worth their WAIT in Gold."

Reference: http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=84319

Now let me ask you all one question, can anyone provide proof that Intel's new mobile chip has shipped in volume? (While some manufacturers claim the laptops with the new chips are in stock, I have yet to see any ship and there are only one or two reviews on Penryn based laptops thus far).

Perhaps there is some sort of agreement among manufactures (Dell, Apple, HP, etc.) to release Penryn-based laptops on the same day?

i'm really wondering here guys. How long do we still have to wait before the new MBP comes out?
i'm starting to get sick off all the waiting

Word.

ARGH!!!! Your wrong!!! We will get the MACTOUCH THIS YEAR!!!!

EDIT: Ok..............I've calmed down now.
Anyways, I had already thought that as a possiblity of the direction they might take their multitouch.....into full keyboards. For that needed feedback they might possibly employ that patent they have on multitouch surfaces with the ability to physically raise each pixel like braille. So in theory, in a "keyboard" mode you would have the key display with keys thats raised so it would feel like a real key. Imagine physical keys that can be configured on the fly that would disappear or appear according to how its programmed.
Good stuff

i'm sick of waiting too

bring it on, I'll even give it a month, if its true I will owe you an apology.

can we get a little bit of proof...please, because I for one am somewhat convinced.

Tailpipe,

Are you explicitly saying that you believe new MBP's will be released at this as yet unconfirmed event on the 26th?

I was about to go out and buy one, but I'll give it a couple of more weeks.

The only thing that doesn't really gel with me is that if they are released then and at the same time as the SDK, they'll overshadow the SDK won't they?

I reckon if we see the SDK next Tues, you could be right for the MBP on the 26th.

Anyway, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now...

I don't see how we'll get proof, do you want spy photos smuggled out of Cupertino?

Bottom line, it has been 8 months... an update delayed due to penryn is the most obvious conclusion I'm believing in right now. Apple is not going to go a year without updating their most profitable product line, I agree and believe they would have done it by now if they didn't have their hands tied due to some external force.

-K

If you purchase your laptop from the manufacturer (Sony, HP, Dell), you could get it almost immediately (after the build date and shipping of course). Retailers do not have the Penryn models because they are still in progress of clearing the Merom based models from their stock. Also, to the retailers there have been no new models released, just CPU updates to existing models.

Here are some reviews from people who have bought Penryn based laptops and have been enjoying them for some time now:
Toshiba Qosmio G45 Penryn Review
Sager NP5793 Review
Zepto Znote 6224W

Apple is always first on the list to receive their Intel CPU stock ahead of the PC manufacturers. They had stock of Xeon 5400s ahead of others but were late to the game with their Mac Pro updates, almost 2 months after the competition.

I truly doubt that the problem has anything to do with the Penryn supply. The above info is based on personal investigations at manufacturers build+ship websites and info from the OEMs themselves. I believe currently the problem is internal to Apple themselves and not Intel.

-Ad

HAHAHA, NOT EVEN CLOSE! Who got the Core 2 Duo's first? NOT APPLE. Who got the Core Duo's first? NOT APPLE. LOL they got the stuff LAST

I think you are confused between getting supplies first and releasing a product with it.
Apple has always been late to the game, but its not because of getting their supply late.

-Ad

i hv been waiting for new mbp pro for 2months. anyone neos when the new mbp out?
i'm going back asutralia on 20th. i want to get a mbp before i leave (coz the prize on HK mac store almost 30% cheaper than australia store).

This is shaping up to be fun.

Not a snowballs chance in HELL!

This is the computer industry, and as with all other industries, whoever gets there first wins.

Now, I know that "wins" isn't exactly a great term for it, but whoever gets there first gets first crack at selling the newest technology and making as much money as possible before everyone else gets it.

And that is how it's done.

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I think you're right. I remember going through something like this last year when shopping for my Santa Rosa MBP. Hype started early in the year much like we're doing now and I took delivery in June on the first day of availability. But that was new architecture/LED display and more. I'm shopping for a Mac for my wife this time and wishing it would come sooner but I think April or May is more likely.

A new processor and multi-touch will require testing and firmware development. If the processor is not yet shipping to mainstream PC makers, we're looking at months not weeks. I'll need to buy before then.

So what if the delay is because of intel. It's going on for weeks now , when are they going to solve it? I think apple should at least say something about to the publice to ease the minds of the mob

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Yeah: "Sorry guys, we can't release the unannounced MBP yet, because Intel can't deliver those penryn chips..."

and could you tell me the reason why we saw the MBP 4.1 battery log? I think they will release it this tues..

Why would they need to develop firmware for the multi-touch technology that is already available on the MBA ?

Also with respect to the "new" processor.... I would imagine Apple is at the stage where they have done all the testing they need to on the processor, they are probably waiting to start installing them.

It appears as though this Engadget story posted back on the day of the Macworld keynote is likely the reason why have not seen a MacBook Pro update yet.

I just received a 30 inch Cinema display for Valentine's Day. I hope the new MBP's come out soon so I can actually use it. Apparently the max res is only 1280x800 when using it with my regular Macbook.

These Intel Penryn production issues kind of put my suggestion that Apple buy AMD under a fresh light, no?

Flame-Suit On!

-Switchy McSwitcher

That seems likely, they won't want to have customers ordering and then waiting for delivery and in the mean time, they can make more money off their older hardware by not reducing prices.


I have a feeling that will be an iphone event for the SDK.

whats so great about penryn that it gets everyone buying PCs again?

Faster at equivalent chip speeds, cooler, more power efficient.