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post #41 of 100
2/15/08 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by MacLemming View Post

Why would they need to develop firmware for the multi-touch technology that is already available on the MBA ?

Also with respect to the "new" processor.... I would imagine Apple is at the stage where they have done all the testing they need to on the processor, they are probably waiting to start installing them.

Because the MBA is a unique machine, different from MBP in many ways. It has technology and construction constraints that would not be present in an MBP.
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post #42 of 100
2/15/08 at 7:59am
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Originally Posted by mrklaw View Post

whats so great about penryn that it gets everyone buying PCs again?

Nothing. It's an incremental improvement. Macs and PCs already have teh snappy with the current batch of processors. This is not a big deal.

The energy savings are nice and they will run a little faster, but these chips aren't a huge leap forward.
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post #43 of 100
2/15/08 at 8:01am
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Originally Posted by O.Henry View Post

and could you tell me the reason why we saw the MBP 4.1 battery log? I think they will release it this tues..

I don't think the battery log appearance is all that convincing or indicative of imminent release.

But still, an updated MBP may come sooner than I expect. I'll wait for a couple more weeks in hopes of being pleasantly surprised.

It's been only 8 months and 10 days since the MBP was last updated. Has Apple ever updated a notebook in such a short time period? Maybe someone can do some digging into recent history.
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post #44 of 100
2/15/08 at 9:23am
how big is the chance that the MBP's will be updated this Thuesday?
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post #45 of 100
2/15/08 at 9:41am
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Originally Posted by samoske View Post

how big is the chance that the MBP's will be updated this Thuesday?

Honestly, no one really knows, save for Apple.

The Penryn delays seem to be affecting lots of companies, but Dell has just started putting out more machines, so you've got to hope Apple isn't far behind.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/14/p...lls-xps-m1730/

It will be interesting to see if they're actually holding off an update until an event where they launch the iPhone SDK. Seems somewhat odd to do that unless it is a larger update than specs [ie cosmetic].
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post #46 of 100
2/15/08 at 9:48am
Some evidence that a MBP update cannot be far away.

I think we'll see an update within two weeks.
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post #47 of 100
2/15/08 at 9:55am
http://guides.macrumors.com/Buyer%27s_Guide

Here you can see the average time between updates for each of Apple's products, as well as the individual times between updates.

For the Macbook Pro, the average time between updates is 186 days, and as of today, it's been 255 days since the last update. Most people don't count the November BTO options as a "true" update, but it might be giving Apple an excuse to make this update longer than usual.

I bought one of the updated models in late July, so part of me is happy that updates are taking awhile.

The first time I ever bought a Mac was a 15" G4 Tibook. Less than 3 months after I bought it, they introduced the Aluminum version. Total case redesign, better specs, etc. I was pretty annoyed. The important thing is, I got several years of use out of the Tibook, even though it wasn't "cutting edge" for long. In fact, I'm actually selling the Tibook later today, some 4.5 years after I bought it. It's still going strong, but I just have no need for it anymore after switching to the MBP.

Lesson is, wait for upgrades if you can, but if you NEED a new computer right now, buy it. Sure, there will be some sting if something new comes out shortly after (If it's quick enough, Apple makes it pretty easy to exchange/upgrade) but you'll still have a really solid machine that will serve you well for years to come.
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post #48 of 100
2/15/08 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by Mercury52 View Post

http://guides.macrumors.com/Buyer%27s_Guide

Here you can see the average time between updates for each of Apple's products, as well as the individual times between updates. <snip>

Thanks. Big help! It seems logical by the update frequency that we should see a new MBP very soon, especially with the supply chain drying up. That's an excellent indicator.

Although I dislike waiting, I don't want to buy a soon to be outdated product. Unless there is a huge discount involved, it's not smart to buy at the end of a product cycle.
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post #49 of 100
2/16/08 at 5:57am
Heh. If the OP winds up being right, there's going to be a lot of crow-eating in this thread.
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post #50 of 100
2/16/08 at 11:31pm
I have the feeling new MBP are coming. And I dont think the multi touch is unique to the MBA. Those pinch, rotate, zoom feature will be more usable for designers, so why would Apple want to make it unique only to MBA? Pros use MBP.

Comon!!! Let it be a MBP!!!!
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post #51 of 100
2/18/08 at 8:22am
I purchased a refurbished 15 inch Mac Book Pro less than a week ago. I would like to know if anyone can tell me what my optins are, IF the rumored Mac Book Pro refresh occurs and IF the changes are significant enough would I be able to return my refurbished MBP and order the new model (obviously not refurbished) ??
BTW the lid on my MBP does not close 'flush' together it has a sligh 1/4 inch gap on one side as if the lid is slightly off. is that reason enough to return the MBP?

Your thoughts would be most welcome
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post #52 of 100
2/18/08 at 8:29pm
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BTW the lid on my MBP does not close 'flush' together it has a sligh 1/4 inch gap on one side as if the lid is slightly off. is that reason enough to return the MBP?

Your thoughts would be most welcome

I just got my new mbp and on the right side there is a gap when closed - probably enough to fit a nickel or quarter into.
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post #53 of 100
2/18/08 at 9:40pm
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Originally Posted by jsplash View Post

I purchased a refurbished 15 inch Mac Book Pro less than a week ago. I would like to know if anyone can tell me what my optins are, IF the rumored Mac Book Pro refresh occurs and IF the changes are significant enough would I be able to return my refurbished MBP and order the new model (obviously not refurbished) ??
BTW the lid on my MBP does not close 'flush' together it has a sligh 1/4 inch gap on one side as if the lid is slightly off. is that reason enough to return the MBP?

Your thoughts would be most welcome

I don't see why you would buy a refurbrished MBP when you can get a brand new one for a few more hundred dollars. Refurbrished means it use to be broken, and it can very well break again, in other words, I rather have a brand new ones with a few hundred more.
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post #54 of 100
2/18/08 at 10:12pm
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Why the all new MacBook Pro has been delayed

To keep people busy wanking over a 2% boost in specs. Seriously. The last update worthy of this kind of obsession was the PowerBook/MacBook Pro transition.
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post #55 of 100
2/19/08 at 3:02am
Basically all the hot Mac items around the world are very supply constrained. The challenge I think is in the US numbers, the moment there is "missing" inventory or "bloated" inventory, the stock market will turn its blind vengeance upon AAPL.

I would not be surprised if Penryn isn't shipping in volume yet, hence the delay at Macworld. Steve and Paul O. seemed a little "distant" to each other at Macworld.

That said, I am poring over some dead AMD CPUs at the bottom of an old discarded PC case... and the stars, they are teh speaking to me.
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post #56 of 100
2/19/08 at 3:04am
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Originally Posted by jsplash View Post

I purchased a refurbished 15 inch Mac Book Pro less than a week ago. I would like to know if anyone can tell me what my optins are, IF the rumored Mac Book Pro refresh occurs and IF the changes are significant enough would I be able to return my refurbished MBP and order the new model (obviously not refurbished) ??
BTW the lid on my MBP does not close 'flush' together it has a sligh 1/4 inch gap on one side as if the lid is slightly off. is that reason enough to return the MBP?

Your thoughts would be most welcome

I think you will find the more and more you use your MacBook Pro, you will be pretty happy with it. My nickname aside, the GPU in it is still top class. Among other things. Even through the middle of this year, an 8600(M)GT in a mobile PC will be considered cutting edge.

Check with the place you bought it from and ask what their restocking/ return policy is. Just in case something insane pops up... tonight.
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post #57 of 100
2/19/08 at 4:04am
Ummmmmmm...

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post #58 of 100
2/19/08 at 4:07am
any chance the update is today?
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post #59 of 100
2/19/08 at 4:22am
sure there's a chance...
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post #60 of 100
2/19/08 at 5:47am
It was the Shuffle update.

Maybe next week.
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post #61 of 100
2/19/08 at 5:50am
As I already posted here, The only thing I see - iPod shuffle: new price
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post #62 of 100
2/19/08 at 6:10am
Xsan 2 as well.
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post #63 of 100
2/19/08 at 6:49am
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Originally Posted by freakboy View Post

Nothing. It's an incremental improvement. Macs and PCs already have teh snappy with the current batch of processors. This is not a big deal.

The energy savings are nice and they will run a little faster, but these chips aren't a huge leap forward.

Yep... this is why I'm waiting for Montevina; besides, my C2D MBP won't be a year old until March 15...
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post #64 of 100
2/19/08 at 9:23am
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Originally Posted by cubbie5150 View Post

Yep... this is why I'm waiting for Montevina; besides, my C2D MBP won't be a year old until March 15...

Well, good for you! The rest of us who are running on G4 machines don't give a damn how old your Macbook Pro Core2Duo is! WE NEED NEW MACHINES NOW!!!!!!!!!!! \\\

Please? \
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post #65 of 100
2/19/08 at 9:56am
Common "wisdom" around here last week was that the new MBP would be out today. Well, maybe next week.
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post #66 of 100
2/19/08 at 10:38am
I'm done waiting. I'm just going to get a Macbook.
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post #67 of 100
2/19/08 at 10:44am
AAAh when already. I'm really losing my patience here and apple is really disappointing me now.
Why wait with the update of MBP? if there where problems why aren't they fixed already?
what is the hold up?
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post #68 of 100
2/19/08 at 10:48am
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Originally Posted by Rolo View Post

Common "wisdom" around here last week was that the new MBP would be out today. Well, maybe next week.

No. We reckon it's next week. We're expecting Apple to confirm the special event to take place on the 26th February later this week, probably Thursday. As I said, this should be MacWorld Part 2.

What is certainly clear to everyone is that MBP refresh cannot wait until Montevina and doesn't need to wait until Montevina.

Interesting rumour going around today: new MBPs will have option of 128 Gb SSD drives at same price point as 64 Gb option on MBA. SSD is big and geting bigger. Once they hit 500 Gb, hasta la vista HDDs.
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post #69 of 100
2/19/08 at 11:14am
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Originally Posted by opnsource View Post

Well, good for you! The rest of us who are running on G4 machines don't give a damn how old your Macbook Pro Core2Duo is! WE NEED NEW MACHINES NOW!!!!!!!!!!! \\\

Please? \

Well, if you "need" one so bad, then get one now... If you can hold out this long for an unknown upgrade, then presumably your "need" isn't so great after all.
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post #70 of 100
2/19/08 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by Tailpipe View Post

No. We reckon it's next week. We're expecting Apple to confirm the special event to take place on the 26th February later this week, probably Thursday. As I said, this should be MacWorld Part 2.

What is certainly clear to everyone is that MBP refresh cannot wait until Montevina and doesn't need to wait until Montevina.

Interesting rumour going around today: new MBPs will have option of 128 Gb SSD drives at same price point as 64 Gb option on MBA. SSD is big and geting bigger. Once they hit 500 Gb, hasta la vista HDDs.

I hope you're right!
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post #71 of 100
2/19/08 at 12:13pm
I wish they could do Preorders... >.>
i dont mind waiting 3weeks for a MBP to ship, then I know its coming.

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post #72 of 100
2/19/08 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by Tailpipe View Post

No. We reckon it's next week. We're expecting Apple to confirm the special event to take place on the 26th February later this week, probably Thursday. As I said, this should be MacWorld Part 2.

What is certainly clear to everyone is that MBP refresh cannot wait until Montevina and doesn't need to wait until Montevina.

Interesting rumour going around today: new MBPs will have option of 128 Gb SSD drives at same price point as 64 Gb option on MBA. SSD is big and geting bigger. Once they hit 500 Gb, hasta la vista HDDs.


I really hope you're right, but...

... the closer it gets to the 26th with no official invitation to the media, the less likely it is that that rumored event will be happening.

If there's no press, there's no event.
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post #73 of 100
2/19/08 at 1:46pm
Yeah, I concur. Apple announcing this Thursday for an event 5 days later seems to be pretty short notice for the press, etc. Still, I'm hoping Tailpipe is right!
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post #74 of 100
2/19/08 at 2:00pm
it´s very stange haven´t any announcement for the event of 26 february!

Let´s wait...
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post #75 of 100
2/19/08 at 2:34pm
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Originally Posted by Koolio View Post

Yeah, I concur. Apple announcing this Thursday for an event 5 days later seems to be pretty short notice for the press, etc. Still, I'm hoping Tailpipe is right!

I seam to recall that happening before. Rumors going out about notices going to the press on Thursday with confirmation from a few of the invitees over the weekend. That was for a special event at the Apple Headquarters.

i think it is safe to say that the event, if it does happen, will not be a mini Macworld. It will be about the iPhone and iPod Touch SDK. They only have this week and next to meet their previously announced schedule. Plus they can't just drop it open like they did with todays shuffle. They will need time to describe it, announce what it can and cannot do, and give their spin on the limitations and distribution model. I can easily see a half hour presentation just on that. Afterwards they will need to do a press conference to answer the questions every body will be having about the SDK. There will be no time fro the MB or MBP at this event. Nor can they or us stand the distraction if both the SDK and MB/MBP update happen at the same time.
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post #76 of 100
2/19/08 at 2:42pm
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While i know for sure that an updated MBP is coming very soon and quite a lot about what features it will have, I really don't know when it is going to launch. So the event is just an educated guess.

i have been pestering people that do know with emails to provide more titbits of info, but they can't and won't.

As i said, what was reported to me is that new 15 and 17 inch models were meant to debut at MacWorld. They aren't basic refreshes but a step forward in terms of design and performance. So when these machines ship, it will be a fairly major new story.

Anybody wanting to buy a MBP should definitely hold off, we're now in the home straight....
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post #77 of 100
2/19/08 at 2:48pm
a Event just for a sofware to iphone and ipod touch? It´s stupid, apple never do a event just for present the SDK, it will have other things!!! NOT JUST the SDK! For sure!
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post #78 of 100
2/19/08 at 3:19pm
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Originally Posted by wenning1982 View Post

a Event just for a sofware to iphone and ipod touch? It´s stupid, apple never do a event just for present the SDK, it will have other things!!! NOT JUST the SDK! For sure!

We are not talking just software here, we are talking about the software to create the software. And there are an awful lot of questions to be answered. One of which is the distribution model for the software that is created from the SDK. Already there are rants on the net about how Apple will force distribution through the iTunes Store, not allow any free software and will take a cut from every application sold. And this is just one question. Others are what will the SDK allow developers do or not do with the iPhone; will application signatures be required and who is the register; will certification be required and who does the certification, Apple, ATT or a third party? It will take time for Apple to answer these and the many other questions that the developers will need answered before they can start using the SDK to write their software.

Meanwhile the MB/MBP updates and any update to any other existing hardware can be done via web page updates like todays shuffle and Xsan announcements.
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post #79 of 100
2/19/08 at 3:58pm
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While i know for sure that an updated MBP is coming very soon and quite a lot about what features it will have, I really don't know when it is going to launch. So the event is just an educated guess.

i have been pestering people that do know with emails to provide more titbits of info, but they can't and won't.

As i said, what was reported to me is that new 15 and 17 inch models were meant to debut at MacWorld. They aren't basic refreshes but a step forward in terms of design and performance. So when these machines ship, it will be a fairly major new story.

Anybody wanting to buy a MBP should definitely hold off, we're now in the home straight....

Were there other features that you haven't mentioned in your previous posts?
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post #80 of 100
2/19/08 at 4:21pm
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Originally Posted by Tailpipe View Post

While i know for sure that an updated MBP is coming very soon and quite a lot about what features it will have, I really don't know when it is going to launch. So the event is just an educated guess.

i have been pestering people that do know with emails to provide more titbits of info, but they can't and won't.

As i said, what was reported to me is that new 15 and 17 inch models were meant to debut at MacWorld. They aren't basic refreshes but a step forward in terms of design and performance. So when these machines ship, it will be a fairly major new story.

Anybody wanting to buy a MBP should definitely hold off, we're now in the home straight....

Unless you're Steve or lead Hardware / Software developers, you really don't know what is going to happen for certain.

Apple could have been intending to completely revamp the MBP (which I'm assuming they still are considering the MacBookPro4,1 identifier)... but lets say things aren't going as smoothly as possible, and they realize that offering a Penryn speedbump would be much more feasible in a shorter time frame, giving themselves a bit longer for a larger refresh.

When it comes down to it, top tier Apple employees know, manufacturers know, and thats about it.

I think a serious MBP revision is long overdue... Apple knows that, and are most likely not sitting on just a speed bump.
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