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Originally Posted by SeaFox View Post

As in BluRay and HD-DVD formats had to compete against each other for customers looking to get into an HD format. This isn't that hard guys.

The initial equipment investment and cost of movies afterwards is going to sway opinions, much like people may be interested in a certain game platform but still not buy into it because the cost of games is significantly higher than the competition.

With only one format, that doesn't happen. If you wants to own a movie in HD, this is what you get. They can raise the price of BluRay movies easily once there's no HD-DVD to compare it too.

In fact, I already answered this question in my original post when I mentioned PS3's being sold at a loss, making my need to explain myself even more baffling.

I'm aware there are multiple companies making BluRay players, although you should realize right now only PS3's can be upgraded to BluRay 2.0 spec. Representatives of the BluRay consortium have pretty much admitted buying any BluRay player on the market right now except the PS3 would be a bad idea, as they all will be obsolete soon.

You miss the point entirely. You are just plain wrong.

When CD first came out in 1983, disks cost $18, and it was very difficult to get one for much less. The average disk now costs $14, including 14 years of inflation. With that in mind, that $18 disk would cost $38.20 today.

Calculator at:

http://www.westegg.com/inflation/


The same thing is true for DVD, except for its shorter time here.

And remember that the first CD players cost an average of $1,100 when they came out. That's $2334.34 today.

Not having a competing format didn't hurt the price drops.
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Originally Posted by greglo View Post

Getting flattened in world-wide sales largely due to a high launch price is a great tech decision? Please. And the dual-layer DVDs of the 360 and Wii provide 9 GB of data. Not 4. Very few games would need more. And generally the only ones that will need to are the ones with garbage CGI movies trying to tie a 'plot' together. There are some mighty fine compression technologies out there - you might not know, but Star Wars: Rebel Strike on the GCN, made by Factor 5, contained not only 2 whole games, both with outstanding audio and graphics, but also DVD clips running with no loss in quality from the pure DVD versions. Not bad for 1.5 GB, huh?

Maybe in another year or two you will be damn right. And for next-gen, sure. But having 'plans' for games to use more doesn't mean they should, or even need to.

Don't think that sales of something for even the first year or two represents the long tern success. Sony sold 4.9 million PS3's around the world during the past holiday season. They even beat the Wii sales in Japan for two mionths running..

Also, the Playstation 1 cost $650 when it first came out many years ago. People also dismissed it as a loser because of it's much higher price, and difficulty of programming, leading to few games for a while.

But, Sony was able to lower the price as manufacturing costs came down, and they paid off the R&D costs. By the time the PS2 came out, the PS1 was one of the top came machines, and, of course, the PS2 blew the top off the industry.

I expect we will see the PS3 becoming very successful, both due to games, and movies, and because the world of consoles is much different from what it once was.

MS is going to have to decide where it wants to goe with the 360, and it will have to decide that soon. They did make an indication a couple of months ago that they would offer BD if their users wanted it. I think they will have to do that.

The Wii can only play 480 widescreen via component. My daughter has that, and we bought Nintendo's component cable adapter for it. It does look great on my 61" set, providing we have the right game on, such as Pitman. But some others look terrible.

What will happen to the Wii long term? It's a good question.
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Also, the Playstation 1 cost $650 when it first came out many years ago. People also dismissed it as a loser because of it's much higher price, and difficulty of programming, leading to few games for a while.


Huh? Possibly in Japan at launch it was the equivalent of $650USD, but in the States, it launched at $299, pretty sure.

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Originally Posted by Akac View Post

The fact is the Xbox is still the better gaming device - and that's what its point is. I bought a PS3. For Bluray movies only. I haven't bought a single game for it and never plan to. Its my top-of-the-line Bluray player. The 360 is the better game system. So its not what will happen to the 360 - its what will happen to the 360 HDDVD player. It will die.

The PS3 is by far the better system, the 360 has more games - but that does not make it a better piece of kit.

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idiot... PS3 is a miserable failure.

That "miserable failure" is out-selling the 360 each week, both worldwide and in the USA. Just imagine how great sales will be when they finally start getting some good games... I think that the PS3 will eventually out-sell the Wii, and the 360 will be a distant third.
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Originally Posted by mdotdubz View Post

idiot... PS3 is a miserable failure. It trails far, far, far behind the Wii and even the xBox 360! Yes, the consumers made a choice, and PS3 w/ blu-ray was OBVISOULY not it! Blu-ray bundled with PS3 is a moot point, since PS3 barely even made a ripple in the consumer markets for both consoles and hd media players. Nobody buys blu-ray players, just like nobody buys PS3s. Sony is in such a bad financial state with blunders like the PS3 that its in danger of going bankrupt, possibly. This is not the mighty Sony we once knew, not even a shadow.

The PS3 and Blu-ray to a certain extent are almost complete failures...unless of course, that is, you live in either fantasyland or fanboy world!

also, Blu-ray won't even matter in a few years. By the time it gains any significant ground, if it does, it will be obsolete and bow to iPods, the internet, networking, and streaming.

Don't call others idiots, when it is you making the idiotic remarks. The PS3 trails because there were teething problems with the new technology, as is usually the case. It came out ten months late because of that. Why do you think sales lag?

It's also more sophisticated than the other consoles. With the ten month delay, and the difficulty of the initial tries at programming, there were also fewer games. That's to be expected. But that is changing. Several games programmers have stated that programming for the console is going much more smoothly, the prices are down, and the sales have gone up more than the other consoles, so the gap is lessening.

I'm pretty sure that a year from now, most of the negativity will have been forgotten, except from the fanboies of the two other consoles.

And yes, Bd won't last 20 more years. That's where both Gates and Jobs are correct. It's likely the last format, unless we do see 1440p on disk, as it's due to arrive as a format in 2009-10.

But, there's a lot of life in disk yet.
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How could either upscale a DVD?

If you use Photoshop, you could understand. It's simply interpolation. How it's done affects the quality. But, it's certainly practical. It's often done for theatrical releases that have been shot on 1080p, such as the last three Star Wars movies.

They take the baseframes, and rez that up, and the player, or Tv, or video processor, does the rest of the frames from that, just as they do the normal interframe work.

Were you questioning why he mentioned the older formats, as a jest?
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If the DVD consortium had done a better job there wouldn't be all the pressure on Toshiba. The format was still designed with the group; to call it Toshiba's baby might be true to some extent, but they didn't go at it alone.

No, but the government is reportedly going to look into the process that resulted in the DVD Forum supporting Toshiba's format (as both the WSJ and the NY Times reported). There was funny stuff going on there, and hopefully, we might find out what it was.
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Huh? Possibly in Japan at launch it was the equivalent of $650USD, but in the States, it launched at $299, pretty sure.

Hi Mel.


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I remember it at $650 when it first came out. Electronic Games, which I subscribed to, discussed it.

All games machines were fairly expensive back them. The Coleco was $350.

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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

I remember it at $650 when it first came out. Electronic Games, which I subscribed to, discussed it.

All games machines were fairly expensive back them. The Coleco was $350.

Hi.


From Wikipedia:

Launch

The PlayStation was launched in Japan on December 3, 1994, North America on September 9, 1995,[2] Europe on September 29, 1995,[3] and Australasia in November 1995.[4] The launch price in the American market was US$299[2] (a price point later used by its successor, the PlayStation 2),[8] and Sony enjoyed a very successful launch with titles of almost every genre, including Battle Arena Toshinden, Twisted Metal, Warhawk, Philosoma, and Ridge Racer.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playstation_1


Honestly Mel, there was a very (in)famous press conference at a major game show shortly before the PS1 launched, back when Sega and Nintendo owned the market. The Sega guy at the show talked a lot about how their Saturn console was going to do this and that, 'the best 2D', etc. Then the Sony spokesguy came up to the mike, and said one phrase only:

"Two hundred ninety-nine dollars."

Which apparently blew everyone in attendance away. The Sony machine was expected to come in at a considerably higher price point.

My guess is the $650 price you remember was what ppl speculated the PS1 was going to be priced at, before it launched. This is nothing new... some pre-launch speculation on the PS3 had its launch price at $900.

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right now, hd anything doens't make sense to me, for what my family watches std dvd works

BUT if i could get digital 3-D on my hd tv and blueray had it i'd upgrade and invest in this tech

WHY??? have you seen hanna montana movie concert in digital 3D??? it's the best 3d experience i've ever had, now if they could make a bourne identity ultimatum in BR digital 3d, that would make the "tv" experience much better. maybe they will do that for many more movies but in theaters ONLY, so they can market a "better than home" experience, make it uniigue.

for those of you who haven't seen this movie concert, rent some pre-teen or take some family member (so you won't embarrass yourself) and just sit through 20-30 minutes and you will see the future of movie theaters, can you imagine star wars, pirates, etc in this format. WOW!!!!

my 4 and 6 year old (no you can't rent them, find somebody else) didn't really care for it they thought it was going to be a 1.5 hr long tv movie of hanah montana and her tv gang.
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Haha! Sony stuffs the channels and beats 360 for one month in sales! WHUUUP DIDDY DOO!

Wii is still the huge winner, WORLDWIDE. XBOX 360 is still in second nomatter if nobody in Japan buys it. PS3, distant 3rd, no matter how hard they stuff the channel.

Sony has been stumbling big time. If it keeps it up, it will be in danger of getting picked up by someone, you will see.

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You're taking him seriously? He's obviously either insane or completely ignorant. Maybe both. "Nobody" buys Blu-ray or PS3. Sony going bankrupt. Yeah, right. Ignore him. Everybody else did.

All i gotta say for you is: Didduntidunt, go sit on a broom stick!
If you still think that Sony is the huge, dominant player it once was and isn't bleeding red in many of its divisions, then you are still stuck in the 90's.
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Don't call others idiots, when it is you making the idiotic remarks. The PS3 trails because there were teething problems with the new technology, as is usually the case. It came out ten months late because of that. Why do you think sales lag?

It's also more sophisticated than the other consoles. With the ten month delay, and the difficulty of the initial tries at programming, there were also fewer games. That's to be expected. But that is changing. Several games programmers have stated that programming for the console is going much more smoothly, the prices are down, and the sales have gone up more than the other consoles, so the gap is lessening.

I'm pretty sure that a year from now, most of the negativity will have been forgotten, except from the fanboies of the two other consoles.

And yes, Bd won't last 20 more years. That's where both Gates and Jobs are correct. It's likely the last format, unless we do see 1440p on disk, as it's due to arrive as a format in 2009-10.

But, there's a lot of life in disk yet.

Great, you mention the 360, but not the Wii. What was Sony's solution to competeing against the more popular 360 and the cheaper Wii? By cutting down on functions. Don't believe me, look it up. They are planning on throwing in a new PS3 model (might have already, i dunno) that cuts out many features like online play, backwards compatibility with PS2, etc.

The PS2 is selling far more than the PS3, what does that tell you? Its a joke. Don't believe Sony stuffing the channels. Visit your local Best Buy and you will see boxes of PS3 stacked sky high, you will less 360 boxes, an almost NO Wii boxes. Ask a salesman and they will tell you, Wii sold out, 360 hotcakes, PS3 collecting dust on shelves.

Laterz.
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XBOX 360 is still in second nomatter if nobody in Japan buys it.

Worldwide the PS3 has been beating the 360 for many months now, at least according to vgchartz. The PS3 is only new to 2nd place in the US, everywhere else the 360 is way third and has been for a long time.
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Don't call others idiots, when it is you making the idiotic remarks. The PS3 trails because there were teething problems with the new technology, as is usually the case. It came out ten months late because of that. Why do you think sales lag?

It's also more sophisticated than the other consoles. With the ten month delay, and the difficulty of the initial tries at programming, there were also fewer games. That's to be expected. But that is changing. Several games programmers have stated that programming for the console is going much more smoothly, the prices are down, and the sales have gone up more than the other consoles, so the gap is lessening.

I'm pretty sure that a year from now, most of the negativity will have been forgotten, except from the fanboies of the two other consoles.

And yes, Bd won't last 20 more years. That's where both Gates and Jobs are correct. It's likely the last format, unless we do see 1440p on disk, as it's due to arrive as a format in 2009-10.

But, there's a lot of life in disk yet.

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Worldwide the PS3 has been beating the 360 for many months now, at least according to vgchartz. The PS3 is only new to 2nd place in the US, everywhere else the 360 is way third and has been for a long time.

what the hell is vgchartz? are they trust worthy? are those actual SALES or just shipments (aka stuffing the channel)?

forgot to mention that Sony's market cap is like less than a 1/3 of what it was only 4 years ago. at this rate, it will be in danger of being taken over by someone else.

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ok.... pulled a chart from vgchartz. So PS3 has outsold 360 in other parts of the world besides the US, but who is on the bottom overall in both handhelds and consoles? Sony!

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what the hell is vgchartz? are they trust worthy? are those actual SALES or just shipments (aka stuffing the channel)?

forgot to mention that Sony's market cap is like less than a 1/3 of what it was only 4 years ago. at this rate, it will be in danger of being taken over by someone else.

And the attempt to swallow Yahoo will kill Microsoft, at least I hope it does. $35/share = 4 or 5 years of cash flow for Microsoft.
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And the attempt to swallow Yahoo will kill Microsoft, at least I hope it does. $35/share = 4 or 5 years of cash flow for Microsoft.

I hope so too, lol. not a wise choice, but whatever. I think its great they bought the Sidekick as well, that ghetto monstrosity will finally get run into the ground
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The site, vgchartz, is not a trusted source on sales (nor are most sites). Only direct data from a company like NDP is a quality source. There's no doubt X360 has a larger share than the PS3 now, and Wii has a larger share than the X360. The point is that the PS3 is starting to pick up after a slow start.

The whole Wii-factor doesn't really factor into the same war in my eyes. I know that type of comment is questionable, but to me the 'next gen' war is between X360 and PS3.

The one thing that I still get confused about when talking about the PS3 is how it can get discredited by nay-sayers in all categories. If talking about HDM players, it's not counted because it's a game console. When it gets ahead in console sales, it's discredited because "everyone buys it to watch movies."

I personally on both consoles, but has spent more time playing on the PS3 since I bought it. The main reason is that I've yet to have it crash. Anomaly or not, the PS3 has been far more stable for me. Now I have the added bonus of having the winning movie format. I guess I can buy some Blu-Rays now.
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Haha! Sony stuffs the channels and beats 360 for one month in sales! WHUUUP DIDDY DOO!

Thing is though, you can see how the PS3 beating the 360 could easily become a lasting trend, because of the format war now coming to an end and the PS3 having a nice Blu-ray player in it.

For instance, back when I bought my PS2, it was as much to get a cheap DVD player as it was to play games. I still have never bought a standalone DVD player, and probably will never buy a standalone next-gen disc player.

Sony kills two birds with one stone, that's why I buy them. I'm sure I'm far from alone. It's just that that kind of appeal has escaped the PS3 until very recently, in large part because the format war was up in the air for so long.

No doubt MS fervently wishes the format war had gone a different way for their side, because they know what it'll mean for the PS3 vs 360 fight.

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Worldwide the PS3 has been beating the 360 for many months now, at least according to vgchartz. The PS3 is only new to 2nd place in the US, everywhere else the 360 is way third and has been for a long time.

That does tend to follow the trend set by the original Xbox. It sold pretty well in the US, but was much weaker in Europe and almost a laughingstock in Japan.

In America, we tend to see the Xbox and 360 as perhaps doing quite a bit better than they really are, because a lot of us tend to judge on US sales only.

Its kind of the same thing that fools us into thinking that Windows Mobile is HUGE, when in reality its only a force in the US... worldwide Symbian has over 10 times the marketshare of Windows Mobile. \

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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Perhaps you didn't notice, but HD-DVD promotions also gave five movies with machines. There was no difference there. In fact, people in forums were themselves promoting the fact that with the five movies you were getting with HD-DVD players, it was an even better buy than BD and it's five movies.

Toshiba may be burning some bridges here, too. There are reports that they've started to refuse honoring those deals for various bogus reasons, angering customers. Not good if they ever want to start a new format again.
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

From Wikipedia:

Launch

The PlayStation was launched in Japan on December 3, 1994, North America on September 9, 1995,[2] Europe on September 29, 1995,[3] and Australasia in November 1995.[4] The launch price in the American market was US$299[2] (a price point later used by its successor, the PlayStation 2),[8] and Sony enjoyed a very successful launch with titles of almost every genre, including Battle Arena Toshinden, Twisted Metal, Warhawk, Philosoma, and Ridge Racer.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playstation_1


Honestly Mel, there was a very (in)famous press conference at a major game show shortly before the PS1 launched, back when Sega and Nintendo owned the market. The Sega guy at the show talked a lot about how their Saturn console was going to do this and that, 'the best 2D', etc. Then the Sony spokesguy came up to the mike, and said one phrase only:

"Two hundred ninety-nine dollars."

Which apparently blew everyone in attendance away. The Sony machine was expected to come in at a considerably higher price point.

My guess is the $650 price you remember was what ppl speculated the PS1 was going to be priced at, before it launched. This is nothing new... some pre-launch speculation on the PS3 had its launch price at $900.

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Maybe, but, somehow I still remember that price for it, and also remember how surprised I was.
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Originally Posted by NOFEER View Post

right now, hd anything doens't make sense to me, for what my family watches std dvd works

BUT if i could get digital 3-D on my hd tv and blueray had it i'd upgrade and invest in this tech

WHY??? have you seen hanna montana movie concert in digital 3D??? it's the best 3d experience i've ever had, now if they could make a bourne identity ultimatum in BR digital 3d, that would make the "tv" experience much better. maybe they will do that for many more movies but in theaters ONLY, so they can market a "better than home" experience, make it uniigue.

for those of you who haven't seen this movie concert, rent some pre-teen or take some family member (so you won't embarrass yourself) and just sit through 20-30 minutes and you will see the future of movie theaters, can you imagine star wars, pirates, etc in this format. WOW!!!!

my 4 and 6 year old (no you can't rent them, find somebody else) didn't really care for it they thought it was going to be a 1.5 hr long tv movie of hanah montana and her tv gang.

Samsung Hd sets have a 3D output support connection. For $100 you can buy two pairs of LCD shutter classes. For $49, you can buy software that will allow most any games, movies, etc to be 3D from the Tv through the glasses. The software is likely for PC's though. They say that 3D games, movies, and such, will be coming out.
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Great, you mention the 360, but not the Wii. What was Sony's solution to competeing against the more popular 360 and the cheaper Wii? By cutting down on functions. Don't believe me, look it up. They are planning on throwing in a new PS3 model (might have already, i dunno) that cuts out many features like online play, backwards compatibility with PS2, etc.

The PS2 is selling far more than the PS3, what does that tell you? Its a joke. Don't believe Sony stuffing the channels. Visit your local Best Buy and you will see boxes of PS3 stacked sky high, you will less 360 boxes, an almost NO Wii boxes. Ask a salesman and they will tell you, Wii sold out, 360 hotcakes, PS3 collecting dust on shelves.

Laterz.

The PS3's sales in Japan during both November and December were higher than that of the Wii. I don't have later figures.

You don't know what you are talking about, so stop it.
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Toshiba may be burning some bridges here, too. There are reports that they've started to refuse honoring those deals for various bogus reasons, angering customers. Not good if they ever want to start a new format again.

Somehow, I doubt they will try. Toshiba has never been in the forefront of development. This is the only real try they made. The DVD was a complex affair where they were involved, and was only done to try to keep Sony and Phillips from coming up a winner again, but they had to give Sony part of it. This time they have lost badly.
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Maybe, but, somehow I still remember that price for it, and also remember how surprised I was.


From Sony's own site: (SCEI is Sony Computer Entertainment, Inc.)


BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT
Business Development/North America

1995/09/09 PlayStation® introduced. (SRP 299 US Dollars)


http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdatausa_e.html



Is it possible that you're confusing it with the 3DO? That console launched only a couple of years prior to the PS1, and for $699.


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ok.... pulled a chart from vgchartz. So PS3 has outsold 360 in other parts of the world besides the US, but who is on the bottom overall in both handhelds and consoles? Sony!

Ok, so here's more info, with a later date than the December one I gave before.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...ly-issues.html
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

From Sony's own site: (SCEI is Sony Computer Entertainment, Inc.)


BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT
Business Development/North America

1995/09/09 PlayStation® introduced. (SRP 299 US Dollars)


http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdatausa_e.html



Is it possible that you're confusing it with the 3DO? That console launched only a couple of years prior to the PS1, and for $699.


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I just seem to remember that. I can't explain why, just that I do. I'm not disputing the numbers you're posting, but somehow, I remember the $649 price, and the discussions I was in about it. In those days, I was much more into gaming than I am today.
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I just seem to remember that. I can't explain why, just that I do. I'm not disputing the numbers you're posting, but somehow, I remember the $649 price, and the discussions I was in about it. In those days, I was much more into gaming than I am today.


Hmm... that is odd. Don't know what to tell ya, Mel... the PS1 sure didn't launch in the US at $650, I can say that definitively.

Heck, I used to work in console games, so I've been sandbagging a bit. Its cool that you were a gamer, though... all the cool ppl are.


Edit- Actually Mel, there is ONE way it could've launched at $650 where you were... it's possible that some 'intrepid' (read "greedy") retailers in your area did bundle their early allotments of PS1s with several games, more controllers, memory cards, etc. and jacked the price from $299 on up to $650. This sort of thing has happened with the PS2 and PS3 at launch too, though not everyone does it.

Total 'bollocks', as the Brits would say, but s*** happens. Though the console itself was only $299.


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WTF you mean Sony packing a Blu-ray player in the PS3 isn't forcing consumer? They have yet to prove there is even a need for 25GB games.

Nope it isn't.
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WTF you mean Sony packing a Blu-ray player in the PS3 isn't forcing consumer? They have yet to prove there is even a need for 25GB games.

How is this any different from Apple "forcing the consumer" into 3.5" floppies in 1984? There were two competing formats, one was better, and Apple chose the better format for their product.

Honestly, the only thing I agree with you about HD-DVD being in any way a better format is with regard to region encoding... but being in Hong Kong, that won't be a problem, as all DVD players, consoles and Blu-Ray players are sold region free due to the international aspect of the terrtory (we sell pretty much equal amounts of media from USA, UK, Japan and China).
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OMFG Melgross is a gamer? Are we talking back when http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archon_%28computer_game%29 was all the rage????
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OMFG Melgross is a gamer? Are we talking back when http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archon_%28computer_game%29 was all the rage????

Ah, you young whippersnapper, I started out with Pong in college.
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Somehow, I doubt they will try. Toshiba has never been in the forefront of development. This is the only real try they made. The DVD was a complex affair where they were involved, and was only done to try to keep Sony and Phillips from coming up a winner again, but they had to give Sony part of it. This time they have lost badly.

I'm afraid I wasn't clear. I don't mean necessarily a new disc format, just some kind of new CE device or technology. If they screw the HD DVD suckers, er, buyers out of those free discs, nobody's going to trust them again.
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No consumer was forced to buy a PS3. They bought the PS3 because of the excellent price considering it has a Blu Ray player in it. Sony was better at marketing this time around. Wasn't there another major game system with a HD-DVD player in it? Choices! Choices! And the consumers spoke with their dollars.

And £££Pounds
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idiot... PS3 is a miserable failure. It trails far, far, far behind the Wii and even the xBox 360! Yes, the consumers made a choice, and PS3 w/ blu-ray was OBVISOULY not it! Blu-ray bundled with PS3 is a moot point, since PS3 barely even made a ripple in the consumer markets for both consoles and hd media players. Nobody buys blu-ray players, just like nobody buys PS3s. Sony is in such a bad financial state with blunders like the PS3 that its in danger of going bankrupt, possibly. This is not the mighty Sony we once knew, not even a shadow.

The PS3 and Blu-ray to a certain extent are almost complete failures...unless of course, that is, you live in either fantasyland or fanboy world!

also, Blu-ray won't even matter in a few years. By the time it gains any significant ground, if it does, it will be obsolete and bow to iPods, the internet, networking, and streaming.

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According to the chart you posted the 360 has sold about 70% more units sold that the PS3. Even if we ignore the year long head start that the 360 had and and excessive production constraints with blue laser technology, it's more than a little hyperbolical embellishment to say it's "a miserable failure."
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The PS3's sales in Japan during both November and December were higher than that of the Wii. I don't have later figures.

You don't know what you are talking about, so stop it.

Wow, you can't find the figures, how convenient. You can't compare a single month or two of slightly higher sales over the whole timeline and declare that PS3 is on an uptrend. For what, a month?!? Overall Wii is selling alot more. Come back in a year and tell me if PS3 keeps the trend. If it does, great, but don't start popping the champagne bottles because PS3 slightly outsold the Wii for a month after a whole year of being out. I think the PS3 is somewhere close to 15 million units behind the Wii in total sales, alotta catching up to do.

oh, and the PS3 had zero to minimal effect on Blu-ray winning the format war. The studios and retail outlets decided who the winner is.

and don't forget, there are lots of people out there who are confused over the benefits of Bluray over DVD, and there are many others who don't give a crap. I myself don't give a crap, I will wait until Bluray players cost $20 like DVD players before I buy one. For now, and for a long time, I don't see myself buying a Bluray player, and don't see any benefits of it either.

Bluray will NOT have the explosive effect DVD did. PS3 will have a minimal effect on Bluray's adaptation by the public, unlike PS2 which was a major factor in the adoptation of DVD.

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According to the chart you posted the 360 has sold a little over 50% more units sold that the PS3. Even if we ignore the year long head start that the 360 had and and excessive production constraints with blue laser technology, it's more than a little hyperbolical embellishment to say it's "a miserable failure."

Yes but look at the Wii. Came out same time as PS3, does not offer a HD optical drive and it has outsold both PS3 and 360 combined!

What does that tell you? Most people don't care about Bluray. Oh, and alotta people bought PS3 because they didn't know any better, much like people buy Windows Dell PCs. They knew that the older products (PS2, Dells) were huge successes that were widely adapted so they based their purchase on that, not on which is currently the better gaming platform.
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Yes but look at the Wii. Came out same time as PS3, does not offer a HD optical drive and it has outsold both PS3 and 360 combined!

What does that tell you? Most people don't care about Bluray. Oh, and alotta people bought PS3 because they didn't know any better, much like people buy Windows Dell PCs. They knew that the older products (PS2, Dells) were huge successes that were widely adapted so they based their purchase on that, not on which is currently the better gaming platform.

I really don't understand these bi-polar, all-or-nothing perceptions. If the Wii outsodl the PS3 that means the PS3 was "a miserable failure". The last console war kept painting Nintendo's GameCube as a failure when its sales were almost on par to the XBOX, especially when compared to the run away hit of the PS2.

There were more available for purchase and it's significantly cheaper. It's the same reason the 30GB Zune was outselling the iPod on Amazon.com for a week when the price was lowered to $80.

Everyone I know that purchased a PS3 knew exactly what they were were doing when they pre-ordered and payed $600+ for a PS3. The real interest wasn't the gaming aspect but the Blu-ray movie player.

The inclusion of the Blu-ray is what shifted the scales away from HD-DVD. There is a clear distinction of Blu-ray movie sales picking up speed once the PS3 became available.

Now that Blu-ray has a clear path as the HD optical media of the future and the pronounced failure rate of the 360 we should see a pronounced increase in PS3 sales. Obviously, this is just speculation on my part and should be taken with a grain of salt, but I predict that the PS3 will outsell the 360 within 14 months.
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There were more available for purchase and it's significantly cheaper. It's the same reason the 30GB Zune was outselling the iPod on Amazon.com for a week when the price was lowered to $80.

Everyone I know that purchased a PS3 knew exactly what they were were doing when they pre-ordered and payed $600+ for a PS3. The real interest wasn't the gaming aspect but the Blu-ray movie player.

The inclusion of the Blu-ray is what shifted the scales away from HD-DVD. There is a clear distinction of Blu-ray movie sales picking up speed once the PS3 became available.

Now that Blu-ray has a clear path as the HD optical media of the future and the pronounced failure rate of the 360 we should see a pronounced increase in PS3 sales. Obviously, this is just speculation on my part and should be taken with a grain of salt, but I predict that the PS3 will outsell the 360 within 14 months.

Are you saying there were more Wiis or PS3s available for purchase? If you think Wiis, your dead wrong, because Nintendo has been having trouble keeping up with demand. Just ask any retail outlet anywhere and they will tell you, demand hasn't changed since the Wiis release. PS3 significantly dropped off however after the initial sale.

The only reason the PS3 has picked up is because it dropped its price, so the Zune analogy you gave actually applies to the PS3 rather than the Wii.

And just for arguments sake, the hardcore games I know all bought 360s, and said PS3 was not worth it. Anyone who I know personally that bought a PS3 bought it because it is a PS3, not having a single clue about besides that its made by Sony and called the PS3. Everyone bought the Wii, but went through hoops just to get one.
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