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Originally Posted by lundy View Post

If the $1099 had the Superdrive, then there would be almost no upsell incentive to the $1299 model. They want you to buy the more expensive model.

Almost no upsell? Nonsense. There's the faster processor, 1 GiB of additional RAM and 40 GB of HDD.

You have to weigh the number of people who will be up-sold to the $1299 model against the number who are just thinking "fuck it, I'm buying a PC".

Go on Lundy, I know you want to say something "bad" about Apple; all these attempts to defend the indefensible must be tiring. Go on. It won't hurt. A combo drive in a $1099 laptop is ridiculous and you know it.
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You have to weigh the number of people who will be up-sold to the $1299 model against the number who are just thinking "fuck it, I'm buying a PC".

I'm not going to defend the Combo drive, but for every customer who says "fuck it, I'm buying a PC," there's one of us for whom that is just not an option. For us, the alternative to a new Mac is a used Mac, and there is a flourishing market for them, whereas the "market" for used PCs is the landfill! If some of you can tolerate the thought of buying a PC to save money, more power to you, but a lot of us will give up computers altogether first!

P.S. Maybe Linux will achieve a level of usability someday that would make it an alternative; then we can all save money on cheap PCs. Meanwhile, if I wanted to write all my own software, I'd still have my Commodore 64. (Well, you caught me: I do!)
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When you restrict your search to just 13" widescreen portables, the MacBook does still compare well (apart from the combo drive stupidity), especially on the processor front now that it has Penryn. A similarly configured Dell M1330 (processor bumped to 2.0 GHz, bluetooth added and battery bumped to 56 WHr) is slightly more expensive at $1149, but it does give the purchaser the option of sacrificing a bit of CPU power in order to shave $100 off (drop the processor to 1.66 GHz and the price is $1049)

So, if you want a 13" laptop with DVD burner, 1 GB RAM and 120 GB HDD, you can get the Dell for $1049. But to get a DVD burner from Apple, you have to pay at least $1299. Yes, you get other stuff thrown in that makes the asking price good value, but if $1049 is already stretching your budget you aren't going to move to $1299.

If you relax the criteria and start comparing with 15.4" widescreen machines, things get really embarrassing for the MacBook. Whilst the 15.4" screen makes the laptops bigger and heavier, in many consumers' eyes, the 15.4" screen is better value, because it's bigger (even though the resolution is the same as the 13.3" screens so you don't get any extra real-estate).

The Dell Inspiron 1525 with 15.4" screen, 3 GB RAM, 250 GB HDD, 2.0 GHz CPU, 802.11a/b/g and bluetooth costs $969 and to most folks, that's going to make the MacBook look like very poor value. All the other major manufacturers (HP, Toshiba, Acer, Asus, Sony, Lenovo) have similar configuration laptops.

So, in conclusion, there are a few things that suck about this update:
  • Combo drive on entry-level MacBook is taking the piss
  • Entry-level cost of 15.4" screen Apple laptop is still $1999 (if Apple can do this well with a niche 13.3" MacBook, imagine how much market share it could take if it offered a 15.4" version alongside)
  • The highest-resolution option on the 15.4" MacBook Pro is 1440 x 900 (other manufacturers offer up to 1680 x 1050). I don't give a stuff about whether such a resolution is necessary for video watching (it isn't) - it gives you more screen real-estate to work with and that's the attraction.

Monsieur H, the point is that there are trade-offs, and Apple make them almost flawlessly every time. With the Combo debacle, as you say, it's a matter of weighing how many people are upsold to how many are driven away (weighted by the respective margins). I doubt Apple don't know what they're doing in this regard, as they have a ton of experience with the subject--the iMac, mini and MacBook have had this distinction for years. There is little reason to think Apple are doing the Combo dance for anything else than successful upselling.

With respect to the other points, having less choice (like no 15-inch MacBook) can be beneficial to Apple in several ways: having less models means considerably reduced costs in R&D and logistics (in this context is where cannibalisation makes sense as a concern), upselling possibilities, ...

Also, one must keep in mind that Apple is not targeting the entire market nor too rapid market share growth (not so fast that it comes at the expense of long-term profitability or brand issues). Additionally, if Apple can "not compare well" with Dell's specs and still grow 4 times the PC market with margins Dell can only dream of, they have all the incentive to do so.
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so the updates weren't up to everyone's standards. that's to be expected- apple will definitely do a full redesign (possibly add like a 13.3 to the MBP line?) this summer with the release of "centrino 2" aka Montevina. This will be nice as I also see the new 9600 nvidia card to be notebook- ready. Keeping with the same price points, I would expect to see hi-res option for the 15", possibly a different color case (black ano. aluminium anyone?) and the macbook/air style keyboard. With all this talk, I got to day dreaming:

My Macbook Pro... ha

2.6 ghz 8mb cache, 1000mhz FSB (centrino 2 spec?)
2(+)gb DDR3 RAM (yeah maybe not this summer....)
512mb 9600m gt
1680 x 1050 LED (OLED by say Q3 2009)
200gb 7200rpm HDD
Backlit MB keyboard
USB 3.0 (again, not by this summer... see Q1 or Q2 2009)
802.11n/ bluetooth 2.1
more power to the webcam (5 megapixel? they have in it cell phones right now....)
slimmer case- 0.75-0.85".. not necessarily tapered


so that's just me, and I'm probably dreaming, but it'd be nice, right?
post #285 of 424
Who pressed buy??? I know I just did!!! Although everyone else is saying how poor the updates are, they are exactly what I was expecting and I think they are right on target for where Apple should be.
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Originally Posted by Mr. H View Post

AAlmost no upsell? Nonsense. There's the faster processor, 1 GiB of additional RAM and 40 GB of HDD.

Yes, and if the the entry level had the burner, it would be a hard upsell to explain 3 things that the customer can't immediately identify with what the machine can do. DVD burning is a clear and easily-understandable feature that SEEMS to be worth some money. If told only about the extra memory, most customers would not cough up the $200.
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You have to weigh the number of people who will be up-sold to the $1299 model against the number who are just thinking "fuck it, I'm buying a PC".

I think Apple has those figures - you and I do not. If the figures showed lots of customers walking out, you would see a strategy change. Just as we saw with the 4GB and 8GB iPhones, many (and for iPhone, most) customers when faced with an upsell that is priced "just barely within" what they are willing to pay, will pay it. For those who just can't bring themselves to make the jump, at that point they are far enough into buying one that they will buy the entry-level.
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Go on Lundy, I know you want to say something "bad" about Apple; all these attempts to defend the indefensible must be tiring. Go on. It won't hurt. A combo drive in a $1099 laptop is ridiculous and you know it.

Exactly. It isn't worth it. That is why it will upsell.

I'm not defending anything - I am trying to explain how what you guys as customers think would be "nice" (for you) for Apple to do versus what an actual sales decision consists of.

As far as sales and marketing go, they do not care how much people complain - in fact, if people don't complain, the price is probably too low. The only thing that matters is whether they buy. And Apple has had no problem with the MacBooks selling - they are at 17% notebook market share.

You raise your average selling price by having a low-end model that isn't worth the money compared to the next higher model, and you price the next higher model just barely higher enough so that the customer is likely to go for it.

iPhones are a perfect example - once you are already paying $499 for 4GB, and they offer you twice the memory for only $100 more, it is very tempting, and most people went for it.
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"As far as sales and marketing go, they do not care how much people complain - in fact, if people don't complain, the price is probably too low."

There's no problem with people complaining 'round these here parts !
They've got it down to a tee ... :-)
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Originally Posted by Outsider View Post

The good:
Well needed processor upgrades.
The graphics card is a nice improvement.

The ugly:
That we have to wait a few more months for a completely revamped mobile lineup.

What do you mean GPU update? Isn't it the same but with a bit more memory?
Also, I would like to see some bench marks as on paper, they are supposed to be 20% more powerful per gigahertz yet consume less power (=longer battery life).

Any bench marks and again, what do you mean graphic card update?

Thanks
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Originally Posted by frankiilacomposer View Post

What do you mean GPU update? Isn't it the same but with a bit more memory?
Also, I would like to see some bench marks as on paper, they are supposed to be 20% more powerful per gigahertz yet consume less power (=longer battery life).

Any bench marks and again, what do you mean graphic card update?

Thanks

You'll likely have to wait 'til barefeats or anandtech get their claws on the new models to see some realworld tests. Shouldn't be long.
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Originally Posted by frankiilacomposer View Post

What do you mean GPU update? Isn't it the same but with a bit more memory?

I understand just wanting to see bench marks. Always cool to see, and I'm sure we will shortly, but "a bit more memory?" 256 to 512 -- that's double the memory. A bit more than a bit more, don'tcha think?
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I think Apple has those figures - you and I do not. If the figures showed lots of customers walking out

Apple can't have those figures, because at least some of (and I think majority of) the potential customers that are put off aren't walking into a bricks-and-mortar store and then walking out again. They are doing their investigating online and by talking to friends. They don't even get as far as the Apple Store.

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I'm not defending anything - I am trying to explain how what you guys as customers think would be "nice" (for you) for Apple to do versus what an actual sales decision consists of.

I'm not arguing this from the perspective of what would be nice for me. I'm not in the market for a MacBook, I'm waiting for the MacBook Pro redesign. I'm arguing this from a business perspective in that I think Apple would sell more MacBooks if the bottom config had a DVD burner drive.


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And Apple has had no problem with the MacBooks selling - they are at 17% notebook market share.

17 % ? That's a much higher number than I've seen quoted anywhere. The high numbers are for retail-only and are therefore meaningless. Apple's notebook market share in the U.S. is probably around the 8 % mark, and internationally is probably around the 3 to 4 % mark. There's a lot of room for improvement here.

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iPhones are a perfect example - once you are already paying $499 for 4GB, and they offer you twice the memory for only $100 more, it is very tempting, and most people went for it.

The iPhone had less comparable competition. If the MacBook existed in a vacuum Apple's behaviour would make more sense, but as it is it has to compete in the wider laptop market and the $1099 model doesn't.
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You'll likely have to wait 'til barefeats or anandtech get their claws on the new models to see some realworld tests. Shouldn't be long.

But was the graphic card updated?

I have a macbook pro about 5 months old, 2.2, LED, 128 gpu and have an offer for $1525 of which I can then have an apple friend buy the new one at about the same price.

The 2.4 should give some boost, but on paper I think its supposed to be even more of a speed boost with newer 4.1 plus more power - still, confused about the graphic card update.

Looks the same to me -
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Originally Posted by Adjei View Post

They should also drop DVD drives since they are cutting into their itunes rentals and movies.

?? What I meant is that Blu-ray is not yet established and DVD is. By including Blu-ray Apple would actually be enabling it to succeed with consumers rather than iTunes downloading HD. Sony laptops have Blu-ray- why not Apple?
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Originally Posted by brlogan View Post

The $1099 Macbook still only has a Combo Optical Drive!? Come on Apple, I think Superdrives across the board have been due for quite some time.

If Apple added Superdrives across the board, most people would likely opt for the low end model. I know I would. The Superdrive is the only thing that would make me fork over a couple of hundred dollars more for the middle ground computer.
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The keyboard layout (removal of the enter key and adding another option key)

Ack!! They removed the Enter key??
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But was the graphic card updated?

I have a macbook pro about 5 months old, 2.2, LED, 128 gpu and have an offer for $1525 of which I can then have an apple friend buy the new one at about the same price.

The 2.4 should give some boost, but on paper I think its supposed to be even more of a speed boost with newer 4.1 plus more power - still, confused about the graphic card update.

Looks the same to me -

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL...ly/macbook_pro

sheesh - you can either double or quadruple the spec on the gpu over your current gpu.

Doesn't look the same from where I sit ...
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This is the second time on this thread people have said there is no LED 15" screens.

From Apple's page:

15-inch MacBook Pro

15.4-inch (diagonal) antiglare widescreen TFT LED backlit display with support for millions of colors; optional glossy widescreen display.

Come on -- get it right.

Oh, thanks, I missed that. Yay
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Oh, thanks, I missed that. Yay

'S cool... it was just my 15" MBP with the LED was feelin' dissed.
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I just ordered 17" MBP 2.5Ghz High res LED screen 200gb hard drive (7200rpm) and I even bucked up for the remote which I'll prolly never use... $3200 of beauty, i think.
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Originally Posted by RobM View Post

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL...ly/macbook_pro

sheesh - you can either double or quadruple the spec on the gpu over your current gpu.

Doesn't look the same from where I sit ...

512MB Ram on the same GPU as a 128MB Ram makes a difference but not as much as going to even an 8700 would have...

I bought my MBP in September 2007....6 months ago....I have a 15" LED, 2.4GHz C2D, 160GB HD, 2GB RAM and 8600 256MB......id get maybe a 7% increase from this update overall....

To be honest if you can get a refurb 2.4GHz Santa Rosa...I think you're better off. save some cash for the same performance....only thing you lose is the multi-touch....which seems kinda silly because the trackpad on the MBP is the same size as it is on my Santa Rosa
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512MB Ram on the same GPU as a 128MB Ram makes a difference but not as much as going to even an 8700 would have...

I bought my MBP in September 2007....6 months ago....I have a 15" LED, 2.4GHz C2D, 160GB HD, 2GB RAM and 8600 256MB......id get maybe a 7% increase from this update overall....

To be honest if you can get a refurb 2.4GHz Santa Rosa...I think you're better off. save some cash for the same performance....only thing you lose is the multi-touch....which seems kinda silly because the trackpad on the MBP is the same size as it is on my Santa Rosa

Yep Corey - I agree for average use.
But if you're using any app that leverages the gpu then you are going to benefit in a speed increase.

Whether or not the increase is enough to make a difference to your business - well, no one can make that call except you.
I know you that - but for anyone following along - I'd wait until barefeats get their tests up.

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STILL no larger screen Macbook! This is ridiculous, if we want a 15 inch laptop we have to spend 2 grand.
Apple sucks
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Well, I like the (slightly) increased speeds of the new MacBook processors, but why did they lower the L2 Cache? I'm also disappointed about them not giving the MB Multi-Touch trackpads, but... I can wait until they add them to switch from my 2.16ghz, 2gb MBP down to a 2.1+ghz, 4gb MB.

Also, a word to the wise. I have a MBP (2.16ghz CD, 2gb RAM) and a MB (2.0ghz C2D, 2gb RAM). As for people who are looking for a laptop, the MB is VERY capable of doing ANYTHING that my MBP can, except some games and high-end graphic design (and those limits are only there because of the video card). On a daily basis, the MB has longer battery life, and is almost identical speed-wise (I think usage habits and settings make-up the difference entirely). Plus, the MB runs at a cooler temp constantly. The only things that the MB cannot do are Port related, i.e. no ExpressCard slot, no dual-link dvi.

Well I finally got tired of waiting.

As much as I was wanting a MBP the speedbump on the MBP just didn't *wow* me (and the Penryn battery life differences seem to be negligible), that and the MB has spoiled me against the old style MBP keyboard. The reality is that I would've bought an AIR a couple weeks ago but for the lack of a single FW400 port (sigh).

Also, the bump on the blackbook was just not enough (2.2 GHz 4MB cache -> 2.4GHz 3MB??? cache and *still* no LED backlit displays) to warrant $1500 so I decided to get the previous model SR 2.2 GHz blackbook from the refurbished store for $1050 instead.

The only loss that I could see between the new blackbook and the previous generation is that the new one has 2GB RAM and 250GB 5400RPM HDD. Since I'll need 4GB anyway (Logic, Lightroom, Photoshop, etc.) the bump to 2GB would've been wasted on me. The larger hard drive would've been nice but I think I'll pick up a 320GB when they drop in price a bit at NewEgg (probably when the 500GB versions are released).

The good news is this leaves plenty of money in the budget to do something different if they release an updated MBP later this summer -- or if the MBs ever get LED backlit displays. And I can finally return my buddy's backup MB that I've been borrowing all this time (a very nice gesture but at the end of the day I really would rather have my own stuff).

[Edit:] Interestingly enough, I just checked and the blacktax for the new 2.4GHz Penryn blackbooks is now down to $100. (Of course it was a non-issue for the previous models in the refurb store.)

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Well I finally got tired of waiting.

As much as I was wanting a MBP the speedbump on the MBP just didn't *wow* me (and the Penryn battery life differences seem to be negligible), that and the MB has spoiled me against the old style MBP keyboard. The reality is that I would've bought an AIR a couple weeks ago but for the lack of a single FW400 port (sigh).

Also, the bump on the blackbook was just not enough (2.2 GHz 4MB cache -> 2.4GHz 3MB??? cache and *still* no LED backlit displays) to warrant $1500 so I decided to get the previous model SR 2.2 GHz blackbook from the refurbished store for $1050 instead.

The only loss that I could see between the new blackbook and the previous generation is that the new one has 2GB RAM and 250GB 5400RPM HDD. Since I'll need 4GB anyway (Logic, Lightroom, Photoshop, etc.) the bump to 2GB would've been wasted on me. The larger hard drive would've been nice but I think I'll pick up a 320GB when they drop in price a bit at NewEgg (probably when the 500GB versions are released).

The good news is this leaves plenty of money in the budget to do something different if they release an updated MBP later this summer -- or if the MBs ever get LED backlit displays. And I can finally return my buddy's backup MB that I've been borrowing all this time (a very nice gesture but at the end of the day I really would rather have my own stuff).

[Edit:] Interestingly enough, I just checked and the blacktax for the new 2.4GHz Penryn blackbooks is now down to $100. (Of course it was a non-issue for the previous models in the refurb store.)


yah I was getting pissed off about the Cache as well.. but then people did speed/benchmark tests and it turned out that the cache was negligible. Actually in some test it stayed the same and others the 3mb cache turned out faster by a bit.

This update is good for me though, I was not expecting a case overhaul, or macbook like keyboard. I just wanted a bigger hard drive and more ghz.. that's basically it. Good enough to do my job
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Oops.. I clicked that order button too This will be my first mac!
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After much thought, THE ORDER BUTTON HA BEEN PRESSED!!!!

My first Mac....my first high-end computer...YAY!!!


And what feels even better is that I saved up the cash to pay it off immediately.
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I just ordered 17" MBP 2.5Ghz High res LED screen 200gb hard drive (7200rpm) and I even bucked up for the remote which I'll prolly never use... $3200 of beauty, i think.

you just ordered the exact MBP i'll be getting, one of these days.
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I'm not arguing this from the perspective of what would be nice for me. I'm not in the market for a MacBook, I'm waiting for the MacBook Pro redesign. I'm arguing this from a business perspective in that I think Apple would sell more MacBooks if the bottom config had a DVD burner drive.

Yes, they would sell more of the $1099 model. They don't want to do that. They want to sell more of the more expensive models.
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Yes, they would sell more of the $1099 model. They don't want to do that. They want to sell more of the more expensive models.

fnnnnnrrrrrggggg! I'm talking about selling the $1099 model to people who are currently buggering off and buying PCs. i.e., selling more MacBooks in total, not just more of the $1099 model vs. the others. That would be dumb.
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Yes, and if the the entry level had the burner, it would be a hard upsell to explain 3 things that the customer can't immediately identify with what the machine can do. DVD burning is a clear and easily-understandable feature that SEEMS to be worth some money. If told only about the extra memory, most customers would not cough up the $200.

Sorry but this cannot be exactly the reason. All the iMac models have DVD burners for some time now and the differentiation is based on CPU, GPU, RAM and HD capacity. Why not the same for the Macbooks?

There is no excuse for Apple to not have DVD burning accros the MB line not only by now, but by the previous update in November. Apple has already lost some sales because of this.
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fnnnnnrrrrrggggg! I'm talking about selling the $1099 model to people who are currently buggering off and buying PCs. i.e., selling more MacBooks in total, not just more of the $1099 model vs. the others. That would be dumb.

I get what you're saying, but I think there is a fundamental difference between how Apple approaches the market and how PC makers approach it. On the PC side, it's very much a commodity market, especially in the low end. Apple has never really shown an interest in playing that game (the mini was as close as they got).

Apple's approach is, if you want a Mac, you'll get a Mac. You are buying it primarily because it's a Mac, not because of it's price. Apple wants to sell you a good computing experience, not a commodity. Once you've made the "get a Mac" decision, then it's a question of how expensive a model they can sell you (upsell). They are after all a for-profit business.

At the end of the day, I really don't think adding the DVD burner to the low-end MacBook would really make much of a difference in overall MacBook sales. Even if they added it, you'd still have people pointing to the $500 PC laptap. Sure, they'd get a probably very small increase in MacBook sales. But they'd have a lower profit margin on that low-end MacBook if they added the burner, and it would eat into sales of the higher profit margin mid-level MacBook. The end result is that they may sell more computer but make less profit.

Which brings up another key difference in Apple's approach. They don't chase market share. They don't sacrifice their profit margins to get a few 1/10ths of a percent of market share. There are many companies that think market share is king. Apple isn't one of them.
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I agree. The Mbp is worth a little extra. I have an iBook and mbp I hate using the plastic case. The metal is more robust and doesn't mark. The extra screen space is worth it. And the whole machine will last a little longer.
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Yes, and if the the entry level had the burner, it would be a hard upsell to explain 3 things that the customer can't immediately identify with what the machine can do. DVD burning is a clear and easily-understandable feature that SEEMS to be worth some money. If told only about the extra memory, most customers would not cough up the $200.

That statement is about two years out of date. If it were the iBook you would have a valid argument. However, in the meantime DVD burners have become standard. In fact the only other notebook I could find with a combo drive was a really crappy $500 Acer at wal-Mart. Every notebook on the market has a DVD burner except the Macbook and a $500 celeron acer. Not good company to keep. Also, users are a hell of a lot more intelligent than you think.

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I think Apple has those figures - you and I do not. If the figures showed lots of customers walking out, you would see a strategy change. Just as we saw with the 4GB and 8GB iPhones, many (and for iPhone, most) customers when faced with an upsell that is priced "just barely within" what they are willing to pay, will pay it. For those who just can't bring themselves to make the jump, at that point they are far enough into buying one that they will buy the entry-level.

Have you ever seen a survey from Apple asking users what they want? Do you ever see them reaching out to buyers who don't own Mac about what it would take to bring them over? Don't you also think that other computer makers would also have similar research? Why didn't this research work just before the switch to intel and before vista was found to be a complete joke?

Also, the more important brother to sales is return sales. Lets be honest here, most of us here wouldn't switch to windows not matter how disillusioned we are with Apple. With the exception of 18 horrid months I've been using Macs continuously since about '92, there are too many things engrained. The recent switchers are different. If they feel they got a bad deal at the end of the day, they'll buy something else. They did so after the original iMac boom in '99-2000. they went from $200m profits to several quarters with a net loss. I see a lot of that same arrogance that caused that little crash still around.
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Yes, and if the the entry level had the burner, it would be a hard upsell to explain 3 things that the customer can't immediately identify with what the machine can do. DVD burning is a clear and easily-understandable feature that SEEMS to be worth some money. If told only about the extra memory, most customers would not cough up the $200.

"here's the faster processor, 1 GiB of additional RAM and 40 GB of HDD." There's your three items.
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Anyone get their new MBP from the Apple Store yet? I'm going to be picking mine up Saturday hopefully
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When is Apple going to make the hard drive in the MacBook Pro easily accessible?

When is Apple going to put an LED backlight on the MacBook?

I'm waiting.

That is all.
post #317 of 424
with Penryn available for notebooks, Apple had little choice but to incorporate it as an upgrade to their current MB/MBP lineup.

gesture trackpad missing in MB makes me angry. it's is not a fancy object like a backlit LED or a glowing keyboard.....hell people want a good input interface.

the lineup is more of a discounted buy rather than an upgrade. hope they do it better around centrino 2.
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post #318 of 424
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"here's the faster processor, 1 GiB of additional RAM and 40 GB of HDD." There's your three items.

Yes, those are the three items. I do not think that would result in nearly as many upsells as the DVD burner does. The customer, after being told about the RAM and the HD space, would point to the $1099 model and ask if there was anything the more expensive one could do that the $1099 could not. The answer is "no." No sale.

Yes, they are "crippling" the low-end model to get the upsell. Standard marketing/sales practice. If it did not work, they wouldn't keep doing it.

Do I personally care if they made it SuperDrive across the line? Not at all. I am just trying to explain why I think they are doing it the way they are doing it. They do not break down sales by model, but I would bet you that most people buy the more expensive one. It's a classic way to get the customer to compare two items and see that there is extra value, not just extra price, in the higher-priced model.

They have to keep margins up and keep average selling price up. Market share means jack if your profits are down. They are offering a strong incentive to buy the $1299 model, and the customer, rather than seeing the $1099 model as the cheapest, actually sees the $1299 model as a better deal.

Again, you guys are assuming that every customer sees that it has no DVD burner and takes off for the nearest PC website to order a PC. If they cared that much about that, they would have already found that out on the web and wouldn't be in the Apple Store in the first place.

Switchers are switching because of OS X and because they are fed up with Windows - not because of whatever is the cheapest for a list of features.
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post #319 of 424
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Originally Posted by photoeditor View Post

When is Apple going to make the hard drive in the MacBook Pro easily accessible?

When is Apple going to put an LED backlight on the MacBook?

I'm waiting.

That is all.

Hopefully with the next revision.
post #320 of 424
Has anyone had their MBP shipped yet? I ordered mine yesterday morning and then last night I received an email saying my order had been shipped and I was really surprised it went through so quick. Later on that night, I read my email again and it turns out that the only thing that was shipped was the sleeve that I also ordered for it \
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