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Originally Posted by shanmugam View Post

2.5Ghz has 6MB L2 Cache,

http://www.intel.com/products/proces...t/core2duo.htm


Sorry, I was referring to the MB, not the MBP.




Why does the MacBook have a smaller L2 Cache (now 3mb, previously 4mb)? Do we expect that to increase with the next gen processor?
post #82 of 424
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Originally Posted by DayLight View Post

I HATE APPLE ...

what kind of treatment is this !!!!
whats worse, in the UK, the MacBook Pro 15 inch 2.5GHz costs "1,599.00 GBP" roughly
$3,155 USD compared to $2,499.00 USD in the states. thats a $656 price difference. \

Don't blame Apple for the price difference - Blame your Government! They impose the import duty and collect a huge Value Added Tax.
post #83 of 424
Wow! There is an anti-glare option!! No more glossy display or has that always been there?
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post #84 of 424
Im amazed a few stuffs:
The new keyboard does not make a appearance in MBP, like WTH.
The touchpad look the same as the previous MBP and not like the MBA.
MBP did not get a magnetic latch
Apple Remote is now a buy to own (wth man, other company are offering the remote control for free and Apple is charging for it? What a Rip off!!)
MB still in plastic and no multi touch.
Screen is not LED as seen in MBA

Seriously, from my point of view, this stuffs is just minor and if Apple change it, it should be okay, it wont really to be worth being a big news unless they did a new design.
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post #85 of 424
5-7 years on the same laptop? 4 years is pushing it with me for a laptop. 7 years is a long friggin time to wait to update!

But hey. If you can do what you want to do on it...thats all that matters. Who am I to say.

I've just found that by 4 years alot of software updates etc, start to make things difficult to run the things I want to run.
post #86 of 424
Oh my gosh.

Did I stuble upon a forum for "The Nanny" TV show?

What's with all these whiny little 6 year olds stomping their feet and yelling at their parents, "I told you I want an Escallade!"


I've been waiting for today for months. Minutes ago I just ordered my first MacBookPro to replace my buggy HP laptop. I'm loving the update. I love the multi-touch on my iPod Touch 32 and I can't wait to have it on the laptop too. It says 7 to 10 days for shipping.
post #87 of 424
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Originally Posted by lucky13 View Post

Is the 4GB of RAM with purchasing....or over kill..will I see a big difference?

Well, I can guarantee you that having 2gb RAM over 1gb RAM IS A MAJOR DIFFERENCE!!!

Considering the current state of computer hardware and software, I'd have to say that 4gb of RAM is not overkill for the average+ user. I'll mention that aftermarket pricing on 4gb (2x2gb) laptop RAM is quite ready for the average consumer's budget. From NewEgg, @ <$100, 4gb laptop RAM is a great buy. I can personally recommend the G.SKILL brand.

Oh, and you won't regret the purchase in the short term, nor the long term.
post #88 of 424
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Originally Posted by frawgz View Post

Um, doesn't the UK price include VAT? The US price is pretax. Add to that the fact that the dollar has been plummeting against the pound and you'd see why it would appear to be worth $3,155 when converted to USD. With the tax included in the price and the exchange rate at around two to one, you're also doubling the included tax.

i know what you're getting at. true, the price is pretax in the states but not all states pay that tax, my dad just bought the MacBook Air from the states and he didn't have to pay those taxes so the price i see on the apple website is the price i pay.

second of all, yes, the dollar has been plummeting for a while and its WORTH right now is about half that of the British Pound. so 1 pound = 2 dollars. however, at the end of the day the value of my money = double that of dollar. so if i order from the state i'd be Paying less. now as a consumer, do you think it makes a difference for me whether the price in the UK includes tax and the one is the state doesn't ?

at the end of the day am paying less for the same device. and thats with me adding shipping + new power adapter. and the issue that i was complaining about to begin with WASN'T the price. i don't mind *alot* paying abit extra. but what annoyed me was the LOWER specs of the UK version. and that too might be a mistake.

so all good and dandy.
post #89 of 424
What are you guys whining about?! Its about variety. If you go to BMW dealer you expect to find 3 series, 5 series, ...etc. You don't see 300 series BMW with the options of a 500 or 700 series!! It is all about more and more variety so more people will find what they want. If you want an option, pay for it. If you want a multi touch you have to pay for it. the $200 price difference between the 2.1 and 2.4 may not be much for some people, but maybe for a college student who uses flash drive more than the DVD it is considered big saving.

Apple remote... I have two of them and one I never opened. I never used Apple remote on my MacBook, I use it more on my iMac.

I think Apple did a good job this time. What I really care about are speed, storage capacity, and battery life. People are under estimating the 256 MB and 512 MB graphic card upgrade. I think they are awesome.
post #90 of 424
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Originally Posted by regan View Post

This is great. But I see it as a speedbump.

The macbook is still plastic with no LED(Steve promised a transition by this year)...and the MBPs except for the 17" don't have LEDs either.

Um. All the MacBook Pros are LED EXCEPT for the standard 17". If you upgrade the 17" to the Hi-res display, that's LED too. The MacBooks, are, unfortunately, not LED. I don't remember Steve promising that they would be metal at any point.

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All this to me points to this as a nice speedbump stop gap until the real redesign happens. Intel is coming out with new chips in June...

Macbooks are usually updated in May.

This update will keep the sales churning. After all it's a nice little update(faster chip, larger hard drive) same price! Coolio. And the MBPs have the multi touch. Bummer it's not on the macbooks tho. Further indication that the line is in transition.

I don't think Apple wanted to release their full redesigns so soon after the Macbook Airs debut so they wouldn't steal it's thunder.

I'd guess by May/June Apple will be ready to unleash the new designs. Otherwise won't be until the fall. :-)

MacBooks are not "usually updated in May." Apple portables are not "updated twice a year" as someone else suggested. Usually, any Apple line gets updated about once every 8-9 months. I know, because I buy a new machine every time it gets updated. I'm never out of warranty without buying Apple Care, and I always get a good price for my old machine.

Once in a while, there will be a VERY VERY minor revision that comes in between, like the MacBook Pros getting the 2.6 GHz option last November. But the last real revision was done last June. (8 months ago.) Don't expect the next revision, especially a whole new case design, etc., until at least 7 months from now (Christmas season, or more likely next year's Macworld). Otherwise, you're just going to be disappointed again.
post #91 of 424
The wait continues...I am utterly disappointed. The trackpad is multitouch but appears to be the SAME exact size as the current one Im using as I type this....no change to the keyboard or antyhing in the design at all.....and still a 8600 GeForce.....Guess I'll be waiting til late summer early fall for the next big update
post #92 of 424
Could someone give me or point me in the direction of (tried google of course) all the Vista Experience benchmarks raitings for the macbooks newer to my own as a comparison.

Looking to upgrade however I would need these details to justify the purchase.

Thanks in advance.

Macbook Mark I
1.8 GHZ
2GB RAM
60GB Hard disk
post #93 of 424
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Originally Posted by mrjoec123 View Post

Um. All the MacBook Pros are LED EXCEPT for the standard 17". If you upgrade the 17" to the Hi-res display, that's LED too. The MacBooks, are, unfortunately, not LED. I don't remember Steve promising that they would be metal at any point.



MacBooks are not "usually updated in May." Apple portables are not "updated twice a year" as someone else suggested. Usually, any Apple line gets updated about once every 8-9 months. I know, because I buy a new machine every time it gets updated. I'm never out of warranty without buying Apple Care, and I always get a good price for my old machine.

Once in a while, there will be a VERY VERY minor revision that comes in between, like the MacBook Pros getting the 2.6 GHz option last November. But the last real revision was done last June. (8 months ago.) Don't expect the next revision, especially a whole new case design, etc., until at least 7 months from now (Christmas season, or more likely next year's Macworld). Otherwise, you're just going to be disappointed again.

I beg to differ. I've been buying Apple ibooks and macbooks since 1999, and historically they see the most major updates in May and then Oct/Nov
post #94 of 424
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Originally Posted by Tailpipe View Post

This is too little too late.

Not at all in my mind. It is a solid update. The thing is the Intel processors that would be a suitable step forward and justify a major make over simply are not available yet. This is a good update to hold us in place.
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Where are the new MBPs that have been seen at Cupertino? I guess it'll be another six months before they arrive. That means Apple will debut a Montevina MBP onths after everyone else.

Well Apple is always behind the eight ball with releases but that doesn't imply that this release will be a long standing one. The fact that this is a modest update means that it was inexpensive and can be easily replaced once new hardware is out.
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No wonder the share price is langusihing at $120. It deserves to.

Well it deserves to go a lot lower and likely will. That has little to do with this update though.
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Talk about disappointed. I could cry.

Why, look at it closely and you will see that it is a nice update and keeps the platform modern and performing well. Given what is available what more could you ask for?

Dave
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The macbook pros are WAY overdue for a major case redesign...and the macbooks need to be transitioned to an aluminum case design to keep with Steve Job's promise to move to a more environmentally friendly makeup.

Apple just didn't want to steal the Airbook's thunder....couple that with the fact that intel's new chips won't be available till June....and this update makes sense.

Large enough to keep people buying....but minor enough to keep the Airbook looking like the radical redesign champ.

By June I believe Apple will FINALLY unveil the new case designs for the Macbook Pros and Macbooks.

They'll all have multi touch too. :-)
post #96 of 424
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Originally Posted by zanshin View Post

Nobody has yet whined about:

• not being 4.0+ GHz or better
• not having 1 Tb 15K rpm 1.8" drive
• no Blu-Ray burners
• doesn't fold up to fit in your shirt pocket
• doesn't unfold to a 30" screen
• still needs a battery and/or AC power supply
• costs more than USD $10
• doesn't include lifetime free update versions of all Apple, M$ and Adobe software
• no $10 million lifetime data loss insurance guarantee, with "no proof of purchase/no questions asked" payout

now it is time to start complaining.
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Originally Posted by lucky13 View Post

I am looking to buy my first Macbook (Pro) but I am having a hard time deciding between the op of the line Black MB and the entry level MBP. A little bit about my computer needs....I dont play any games....mostly surfing the net, might purchase Aperture 2 so I can edit some family photos, watch dvds burn cds, music.

I am usually the person that likes to buy the "best" or "top of the line" products so I am stuck between the 2 Apple products. I figured it would be $500 more for the MBP.

Opinions...thoughts or suggestions?

I really think that the key to your requirements comes down to your personality, i.e.,(you like) to buy the "best" or "top of the line" products"

As such, you will probably be continually second guessing yourself if you decide to go for the MB over the Pro. Not that the MB will likely satisfy most of your needs, it is just the idea of not having the best.

If you are really serious, list the two side by side and relate their functionality relevant to your current needs. Then consider what just may happen if, and this happens more often than not, your use and needs expand. Will the lower model suffice? Only you can make that decision.

Overall, it will come down to affordability or value perceived.

In either case, the MB would appear to satisfy your needs for some time to come; thus saving you $500 that would be better spent on your better half, e.g., as a gift certificate, taking her for a grand weekend together or as a down payment for her own Mac Mini. As such, it is a win-win any way you look at it.

Aren't in a relationship? Get the Pro and enjoy it to its fullest.
post #98 of 424
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Originally Posted by markoh View Post

Since the stock fell to $120 and they needed to find out more ways to squeeze every penny out of their customers. Did you really expect a $2800 laptop to include a remote?

$116 now

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Originally Posted by bluesky1787 View Post

Why do we have to pay for a remote that was included before?
Bad move Apple

One that seems to be all to common now. The once expansive software bundles are gone as well.

This is hopefully just a small speed bump with totally redesigned notebooks coming this fall.
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Originally Posted by brownreese View Post

I would definitely recommend that you go with the "entry level" MacBook Pro. When I replaced my Ti-Book I was financially strapped and had to settle for a MacBook. Every time I use the MB I regret my decision. The MacBook is far from graceful--it is a plastic hunk. Yea, I can drop it on carpeting and it bounces, but the tactile experience of plastic vs. aluminum is startling. Also the MB does not have the MBP's luminated keyboard--a feature I regret every night I used my MB in my darkened bedroom. The MB's graphics come at the expense of your memory and CPU as it is integrated in the CPU rather than "outsourcing" the graphic processing to a dedicated graphic card. The MBP will retain more of its value should you decide to sell it down the road to upgrade to a new MBP.

Get the MBP. You will not regret it.

I failed to mention that the gesture trackpad is a wonderful feature. After using the basic gestures that are part of iPhone's interface, I can testify that this is the interface of the future. When I test drove a MB Air, I was even more impressed with the expanded gesture capabilities.

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Originally Posted by PB View Post

Well, you seem to forget that before the update this was more than $800. No, I am not trying to play Apple's advocate, just to point out that if it is now a ripoff, then it was before a ripoff plus rape. Fortunately, no one and nothing forces you to buy RAM at these silly prices. There are however many people that will be caught in Apple's web because of ignorance about actual memory pricing.

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Originally Posted by rokeylounge View Post

Well, I can guarantee you that having 2gb RAM over 1gb RAM IS A MAJOR DIFFERENCE!!!

Considering the current state of computer hardware and software, I'd have to say that 4gb of RAM is not overkill for the average+ user. I'll mention that aftermarket pricing on 4gb (2x2gb) laptop RAM is quite ready for the average consumer's budget. From NewEgg, @ <$100, 4gb laptop RAM is a great buy. I can personally recommend the G.SKILL brand.

Oh, and you won't regret the purchase in the short term, nor the long term.


If you install after market RAM does this effect your AppleCare/Warranty?
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Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post

Because they have to give you a reason to purchase a more expensive machine. Just like you don't get all the bells and whistles on a low-end car. It keeps the cost down and differentiates the product line.

You want multi-touch? Pay for it!

No one expects the specs of a high0end car to trickle down to the low-end for many years, but for some reason people expect Apple to put their latest tech in their low-end right away. I don't get it.


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Originally Posted by gregmacoy View Post

Seems pretty disappointing - I was hoping for a case/keyboard refresh

The logical answer is that there will be no case redesign until later this year. The processor upgrade just doesn't warrant it.


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Originally Posted by Tailpipe View Post

This is too little too late.
Where are the new MBPs that have been seen at Cupertino? I guess it'll be another six months before they arrive. That means Apple will debut a Montevina MBP onths after everyone else.
No wonder the share price is langusihing at $120. It deserves to.
Talk about disappointed. I could cry.

So Apple should be able to release a machine containing processors that aren't even in production yet? Mobile Penryn has only arrived to other OEMs a couple weeks ago. Sure, they announced it and allowed pre-orders, but they weren't shipping until min-February. Apple is now ON:LY selling Penyrn in their notebooks, which no other OEM can say, so it might take Apple a little longer to get enough supply for its high- and low-end notebooks.


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Originally Posted by markoh View Post

Since the stock fell to $120 and they needed to find out more ways to squeeze every penny out of their customers. Did you really expect a $2800 laptop to include a remote?

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Originally Posted by bluesky1787 View Post

Why do we have to pay for a remote that was included before?
Bad move Apple

That is the weakest argument I've read on on any forum. I buy a new Mac about every 6 months. I have more remotes than I know what to do with. Except for the AppleTV they go completely unused. It's about time Apple stopped giving away with pointless accessory.


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Originally Posted by lucky13 View Post

Is the 4GB of RAM with purchasing....or over kill..will I see a big difference?

It depends on what you are running.

My solution: Go with the 2GB standard, and install iStat Menus to see how much RAM you are using. If it's over 80% on average then purchase 4GB from Newegg or OWC.


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Originally Posted by rokeylounge View Post

Well, I like the (slightly) increased speeds of the new MacBook processors, but why did they lower the L2 Cache? I'm also disappointed about them not giving the MB Multi-Touch trackpads,

1) Multi-touch trackpads are new tech, you shouldn't expect it on the low-end machine before it had a run on the high-end?
2) The lower L2 is what Intel decided. I'm curious to see how the performance tests will turn out across difference applications.


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Originally Posted by Koolio View Post

I agree - I think we'll see the updated design in the Sept - Nov timeframe...along with Montevina and what not.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by gastroboy View Post

How does NOT getting what they gave you previously, without a price reduction, SAVE you anything.

You're in luck. If you just have to have that remote and can't stand paying $19 for it then you can you buy a refurbished Santa Rosa MB or MBP. You'll also get a price cut with this purchase.

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Originally Posted by rokeylounge View Post

Don't get me wrong, I am sincerely disgusted with Apple's RAM upgrade prices. Though, buying it elsewhere DOES NOT MEAN that it will be in the computer the moment you get the computer, and it does not mean that it'll be installed by an Apple tech/machine, and it does not mean that it'll be warranted under Apple's one-stop-shop. If your aftermarket RAM craps on yo, u have to send it to your supplier, and if it hurts your computer, you have to deal with them, and for a lot of people, it's hard to know what is what, how it works, where to put it, and what to do if it won't turn on (plug-in the cord, dummy).

If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you think there is an issue with after market RAM (though rare) just swap in the original 2GB and see if it's okay. If not, send that machine to Apple, if it is, then send the 3rd-party RAM to whomever.
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BTW, the older mbp model is $1762 on Amazon. Comes with a free remote too!
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Originally Posted by zanshin View Post

Nobody has yet whined about:

not being 4.0+ GHz or better
not having 1 Tb 15K rpm 1.8" drive
no Blu-Ray burners
doesn't fold up to fit in your shirt pocket
doesn't unfold to a 30" screen
still needs a battery and/or AC power supply
costs more than USD $10
doesn't include lifetime free update versions of all Apple, M$ and Adobe software
no $10 million lifetime data loss insurance guarantee, with "no proof of purchase/no questions asked" payout

It's getting to where I don't know what's worse: Windows zealots who think their choices are golden, or Mac zealots who think their choices are crap.

The only thing worse is people who complain about complaints that haven't even been made.

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post #104 of 424
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Originally Posted by markoh View Post

Since the stock fell to $120 and they needed to find out more ways to squeeze every penny out of their customers. Did you really expect a $2800 laptop to include a remote?

For $2800 I expect that laptop to include a lot of stuff. Granted I'm not one to use a remote but the fact that Apple is unbundling its hardware, likely to increase profits even more, should be of concern to everyone.

It is one thing to pay a fair price for a machine it is another thing to add to a companies 18 billion in cash reserves. This is not to say there isn't value in Apples hardware and software but at times Apple seems to value their hardware more than is good for them in the market.

Now part of this might be that Apple sees a major recession this year and wants to keep profits high. After all it worked for them in the darker years. The problem is the dark times have passed and people have a good reason to buy. Well good if Apple were to watch its pricing closely. there is a fine line between being a good investment and a rip off. Sadly Apple doesn't have a good excuse for being a rip off any more.

Now I'm not negative on the hardware update as i actually think it is very good. What bothers me is the pricing. Apple really needs to look at its price points closely.

Dave
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Originally Posted by pfcurtis View Post

Don't blame Apple for the price difference - Blame your Government! They impose the import duty and collect a huge Value Added Tax.

again, i wasn't complaining about the price, i was complaining about the LOWER specs posted online in the UK site compared with US ones bearing in mind that the UK version is also more expensive whether thats because of taxes is irrelevant, just means less value for money. and as i said before, i don't mind paying abit more aslong as i get the same specs.

again, the specs posted might possibly be a mistake on apples part.

oh, and another thing. i might be living in the UK but am an american. so, they're not my government.
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

For $2800 I expect that laptop to include a lot of stuff. Granted I'm not one to use a remote but the fact that Apple is unbundling its hardware, likely to increase profits even more, should be of concern to everyone.

It is one thing to pay a fair price for a machine it is another thing to add to a companies 18 billion in cash reserves. This is not to say there isn't value in Apples hardware and software but at times Apple seems to value their hardware more than is good for them in the market.

Now part of this might be that Apple sees a major recession this year and wants to keep profits high. After all it worked for them in the darker years. The problem is the dark times have passed and people have a good reason to buy. Well good if Apple where to watch its pricing closely. there is a fine line between being a good investment and a rip off. Sadly Apple doesn't have a good excuse for being a rip off any more.

Now I'm not negative on the hardware update as i actually think it is very good. What bothers me is the pricing. Apple really needs to look at its price points closely.

Dave


This is stupid.
There are so many unsed remotes out there after years of including it for most people that don't need it, just go on ebay and buy one for 5 bucks.

What a bunch of little girls.....
post #107 of 424
hmmmmm...
I try not to be a griper. Things are what they are.
But this leaves me a tad disappointed.
We were thinking about getting a laptop to complement our desktop.
So we don't need mega processing power or storage, and were thinking about a black MacBook. But without multi-touch, no-go. Bummer.

Not optimistic about iPhone upgrade either if the point of it ends up being just 3G. Total waste. IMHO, the next rev needs to be a more nano-ish iPhone, lower cost, to start cranking up market ownership.

For the past year, my AAPL has kept my portfolio afloat while the market tanks. Now the opposite is the case.

Maybe Apple has just decided not to waste good product on a suckey consumer landscape, and are waiting until things turn around a bit before releasing anything buzz-worthy.
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for those of you asking or waiting or speculating on a case redesign, take a close look at the image in this story:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/25/y...buys-database/

notice that the "out of stock date" for the brand spankin' new macbooks/MBP's is July 6th, 2008.
take what you want from this, but i'm assuming that today's speed bump will be superceded on that date.
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Originally Posted by lucky13 View Post

If you install after market RAM does this effect your AppleCare/Warranty?

No it doesn't. RAM is the one thing Apple lets you install. They offer specific instructions on how to do so on their site for each model.
post #110 of 424
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Originally Posted by fractured View Post

So many people seem to expect the MacBook to be a MacBook Pro. Hey, genius, you are buying the budget version of the machine. No, Apple doesn't need to add every bit of new tech into the budget machine. Besides, these things are EXTREMELY capable computers. Why must everybody act like a spoiled brat when they don't get everything for nothing? Grow up.

Just don't agree. Maybe on overall specs, but as far as the multi-touch trackpad, I'm with those who say that Apple has to make this ubiquitous as fast as possible, and make it totally associated with Mac.
Afraid this was a mistake on AAPL's part.
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Originally Posted by desarc View Post

for those of you asking or waiting or speculating on a case redesign, take a close look at the image in this story:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/25/y...buys-database/

notice that the "out of stock date" for the brand spankin' new macbooks/MBP's is July 6th, 2008.
take what you want from this, but i'm assuming that today's speed bump will be superceded on that date.

No, it won't. That is Sunday.
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Originally Posted by jivebaby View Post

Thank god I didn't auction my Macbook Pro. I knew there was going to be no case redesign but I did think the trackpad would be upgraded. Guess not.

The new trackpad has multitouch, which is rumored to require new hardware. Isn't that an upgrade?

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Originally Posted by brlogan View Post

The $1099 Macbook still only has a Combo Optical Drive!? Come on Apple, I think Superdrives across the board have been due for quite some time.

Amen to that. I think the lack of multitouch on the MB is questionable, but sticking with a combo drive is just moronic.

Otherwise, these seem like good upgrades. With a new line of portable chips from intel (with a more radical chip redesign) expected in June, that's probably when we'll see a redesign.

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Originally Posted by jbh0001 View Post

I'd also like to see the Mac Mini have at least the same logic board specs as the low end MacBook. There's no reason not to refresh the Mac Mini to keep it on par with the MacBook, unless you are trying to kill it off.

Another excellent point - apple has two decent lines of laptop, why does their desktop line have such a pathetically outdated turd on the low end? The mini doesn't even have the faster wifi yet.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

That is the weakest argument I've read on on any forum. I buy a new Mac about every 6 months. I have more remotes than I know what to do with. Except for the AppleTV they go completely unused. It's about time Apple stopped giving away with pointless accessory.

Here Here! (or is it 'hear hear'?)

Actually, I wish that manufacturers would simply give buyers an option to simply download codes for their remotes and make them ALL optional. I have a drawer full.
post #114 of 424
Too many Debbie Downers in the forums these days.

Count me as one of those who are very pleased with today's updates. A faster computer with more storage space and a neat new feature (the multi-touch trackpad) are good reasons to upgrade your computer IF you were already in the market to do so. Not every upgraded computer Apple offers can or need be mind blowing. Evolution of any product is both normal and acceptable. I, for one, believe that the MBP form factor still looks great and if it ain't broke, don't don't fix it. Are there features or options I would have liked added to the MBP? Sure, but it doesn't lessen the value of the refresh offered today. This is a very good product that Apple is offering to those who are interested.

And to anyone who is complaining about not receiving a free remote, I would love to hear you state how often you actually used your old remote and offer a compelling argument on how you cannot functionally use your new computer without it. Feel free to also identify any other laptops on the market that offer you a free remote control with their purchase.
post #115 of 424
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

No, it won't. That is Sunday.

yeah, the IN STOCK DATE is Sunday.
OUT OF STOCK date is in July.

READ, then reply. do not skip step 1.
post #116 of 424
Quite nice update, except for some little things you guys mentioned.

But why didn't they add the multi-touch trackpad to the MB?

By the way, hi. First post here
post #117 of 424
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Originally Posted by lucky13 View Post

If you install after market RAM does this effect your AppleCare/Warranty?

If you do everything perfectly, the answer us, "No," as tabled at http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=13946 and get the facts.

But be careful as it also states, "However, if in the course of adding an upgrade or expansion product to your computer, you damage your Apple computer (either through the installation of, or incompatibility of the upgrade or expansion product), Apple's warranty will not cover the cost of repair, or future related repairs.
post #118 of 424
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Originally Posted by desarc View Post

yeah, the IN STOCK DATE is Sunday.
OUT OF STOCK date is in July.

READ, then reply. do not skip step 1.

You wrote, "notice that the "out of stock date" for the brand spankin' new macbooks/MBP's is July 6th, 2008." I replied, that is a Sunday.

Out of Stock 06-JUL-2008 Sunday

I'm note sure where you posted about an in stock date.

The idea that Best Buy has an idea when Apple will start selling it's new MacBook revision is obsurd when Apple currently doesn't know that info because Intel isn't exactly sure when the chip production will be ready for Apple's requirements.
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post #119 of 424
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

If you do everything perfectly, the answer us, "No," as tabled athttp://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=13946 and get the facts.

But be careful as it also states, "However, if in the course of adding an upgrade or expansion product to your computer, you damage your Apple computer (either through the installation of, or incompatibility of the upgrade or expansion product), Apple's warranty will not cover the cost of repair, or future related repairs.

Another question I forgot to ask

Is it worth purchasing the Apple Care Plan. Would you recommend spending the extra $250?
post #120 of 424
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Originally Posted by wbrasington View Post

This is stupid.
There are so many unsed remotes out there after years of including it for most people that don't need it, just go on ebay and buy one for 5 bucks.

If you had the ability to read for content you would have seen that I specifically said that I had no need for a remote that I don't use one.
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What a bunch of little girls.....

You really need to get a grip. Apple is effectively lowering the cost of the MBP by this deletion and not passing the savings on to the consumer. Considering the cash on hand that is questionable. Maybe in your case it is the lack of balls to screw up the strength to question Apples pricing.

With the current economic climate even a modest attempt by Apple to adjust their price to consumers would be taken positively. As can be seen in this thread the more profits for Apple attitude the company has isn't being taken to positively.

Dave
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