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post #41 of 79
I for one wouldn't use a remote with a laptop.

First of all, a laptop is mostly on YOUR LAP. Hello! LOL...who on earth would use a remote when its on their lap? Come on. Thats ridiculous. And then the rest of the time the laptop is on your desk...again...who would use a remote?

Only those using the laptop for keynotes would need one.

As a whole this is an interesting update for the macbook. No touch pad. Hmm. I think they were forced by intel to offer this upgrade since they are dropping the old chipset. So Apple added a larger hd and the macbook pros got the touch pad in the same old case.

I think this will keep sales going until the major refresh that is most surely coming. Perhaps at WWDC?

Who knows. I don't know if I will buy now. I was going to get a macbook for checking emails and light work while traveling overseas...but think I will just get the 32 gig ipod touch for that now and hold out for the case redesign down the road.

But the macbooks are still a good deal for anyone who absolutely needs a laptop now.
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How do you know people don't use the remotes? Show me the stats on this - a link perhaps?

I don't have a link, but I sure never use a remote on portable stuff. It amazes me every time I see a remote packaged with a portable DVD player or even a car stereo. Seems to me that the remotes are being packaged because they can, not because they have any use. I'm glad to see them being left off. Every time I buy something, I have to store the remote somewhere (just in case I sell it and want to include all the components). It's just an incredible waste.
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If Apple is that environmentally conscious then they should include a prepaid envelope to mail back the remote if you don't want it. There should also be a toll free number to return those that already exist if this is such an environmental issue. This is only about making more money.

What a ridiculous idea. So Apple goes to the trouble of manufacturing a remote and shipping it two directions just to make you happy? I have personally NEVER witnessed someone using a remote with a laptop computer. Why should Apple do this to satisfy the 0.001% of users who would use it?
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I've written 9 tv scripts, three features. half a novel and lots of pitches and bibles since August when I got my 15" MBP with an LED. If that constitutes being a "creative professional," then the LED's work just fine.

I hope one of those scripts wasn't the recent Knight Rider movie. Otherwise that might explain a lot.
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I hope one of those scripts wasn't the recent Knight Rider movie. Otherwise that might explain a lot.

Naw, not my cup of tea... but I never kick work out of bed.
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post #46 of 79
I hope so, because that's the only justification I can think of for wasting the bandwidth with our sniveling.

I have been wanting to purchase a replacement for my ancient iBook for quite some time. So far Apple has not produced anything compelling enough to make me pull out the plastic. I had high hopes when I saw today's introductions, but scanning the specs dashed them.

I really prefer the look and compactness of the (black) MacBook to that of the Pro, in addition to the lower price, although price is not a major consideration. I want the LED backlit display, and I also fail to see why S.J. didn't put the 2.1 iteration of Bluetooth in the MacBook.

Guess I'll just have to cross my fingers and wait for the next rev.
post #47 of 79
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Originally Posted by rosstheboss View Post

if only Apple took all environmental issues so seriously...


WHY does the packing for third-party Apple Licensed products (e.g. cases, iTrips, software etc) have to be so excessive?

Does a rubber ipod case need to be contained in thick cardboard and plastic packaging yet the ipod itself comes in a tiny cardboard box?!

Apple has the power to dictate to the third party manufacturers (which it licenses) to ensure that they comply with Apple's own environmental policy. And if they don't comply, they shouldn't stock it. The manufacturers will soon full their fingers out...


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Apple has absolutely no control over what 3rd party companies make for their products nor their packaging methods.
post #48 of 79
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Originally Posted by DCJ001 View Post

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5% off the $20 price for the remote if you buy one in the next 24 hours for the low price of $19 !!!


Actually, an unused remote is a paperweight!

But, I agree that most of the remotes that came with MacBooks are not used and Apple can adjust profitability slightly by not giving them away.

do you think they will buy mine back, new in package, for 19 bucks since I didn't plan on using mine anyway?
post #49 of 79
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That's funny - I get over 4 hours on my MacBook Pro 17". What are you doing that you only get 2 hours? Have you tried calibrating the battery as you're supposed to and possibly dimming the screen a bit? What could you possibly be doing to get 1.5 hours of battery life?

Well first of all my cicle count is at 174, battery health "good." 4213 ah full charge capacity.

I find that running Safari, Parallels, Windows XP, SAS, Adium, Transmission, etc requires the machine to use roughly 50% CPU power, with hard drive spinning and Wifi working (what good is a MBP without wifi anyway LOL)

Using the machine at around 50% power, it will drain in about 90 minutes. It just did so again. It's simple physics. These machines use 4,200 mah in under 2 hours if you are actually USING some of the firepower contained in these machines.

If the machine is almost entirely dormant, yeah I can see 3 hours maybe. 5, no.
post #50 of 79
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Originally Posted by mzaslove

I've written 9 tv scripts, three features. half a novel and lots of pitches and bibles since August when I got my 15" MBP with an LED. If that constitutes being a "creative professional," then the LED's work just fine.

I think he meant in the visual arts sense (Photoshop, Final Cut Pro), not the literary sense.

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I for one wouldn't use a remote with a laptop.

First of all, a laptop is mostly on YOUR LAP. Hello! LOL...who on earth would use a remote when its on their lap?

The proper term is actually "notebook" now since most notebook computers run too hot for one to actually use them on their lap comfortably.

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Come on. Thats ridiculous. And then the rest of the time the laptop is on your desk...again...who would use a remote?

Gee, perhaps business users giving presentations? Let me guess, you think they hook their MacBook Pro up to the projector and then stand next to it so they can hit the "next" button whenever they need to. Or perhaps always bring an assistant with them to do it.

I know, business users don't like notebook computers at all do they?

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Only those using the laptop for keynotes would need one.

Oh, you are familiar with it then?

How about people *cough*college students*cough* who use their notebook to play DVDs or other digital media? I'm sure they don't want to always be arm's length from their machine to control it.

I think Apple should build a slot into the side of the case to store the remote in when you're not using it.
post #51 of 79
There is an easy solution to the whole remote argument. When you go online to the Apple store to buy your MB or MBP, click to customize, and there should be an option if you want the remote or not. And honestly if came with the notebooks before then they shouldn't charge for them now. So it should be a free option. And for those of you who are "all about the money" I remember reading on one of the apple blogs that they have a few billion sitting in the bank. So I think they can afford to offer it without charge.
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What do you think of the LED displays?
When I was looking at the macbook air a few days ago, I noticed it has about a 3 degree view angle??? Move your head a few inches left or right, especially up and down, and the color/brightness shifts big time.

That is just a feature of glossy displays and the main reason why graphic professionals overwhelmingly prefer matte displays (and cried foul and murder when the iMacs with the glossy screens came out).
[And yes, some graphic professionals are happy with an iMac.]
post #53 of 79
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Apple has absolutely no control over what 3rd party companies make for their products nor their packaging methods.

I think the point was and is that Apple has COMPLETE control over the 3rd party products stocked in their online and brick and mortar stores.

You want your product to be included in those lucrative places? Comply with minimum packaging standards.

Enough said.
post #54 of 79
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I find that running Safari, Parallels, Windows XP, SAS, Adium, Transmission, etc requires the machine to use roughly 50% CPU power, with hard drive spinning and Wifi working (what good is a MBP without wifi anyway LOL)

Using the machine at around 50% power, it will drain in about 90 minutes. It just did so again. It's simple physics. These machines use 4,200 mah in under 2 hours if you are actually USING some of the firepower contained in these machines.

If the machine is almost entirely dormant, yeah I can see 3 hours maybe. 5, no.

I don't see myself using all this stuff on batteries. At most a browser, chat and mail client. You won't very often sit down somewhere without power outlet (e.g. outside or at an airport) running parallels with windows xp, a torrent client running at full speed, etc.

We'll see how the new macbook pro's will do. I'm pretty sure 4+ hours is possible without too many heavy duty applications running.
post #55 of 79
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Originally Posted by SeaFox View Post

How about people *cough*college students*cough* who use their notebook to play DVDs or other digital media? I'm sure they don't want to always be arm's length from their machine to control it.

I think Apple should build a slot into the side of the case to store the remote in when you're not using it.

A large number of people I know, who don't watch TV, either because of time or lack of interest, such as myself, do not have TVs. Buying a TV is not financially responsible for me, so when I want media, my computer is the only option. A remote makes that easy, and easy when friends are over. There is a large set of people who are like me (creative professionals) and I doubt that Apple's profitability is really suffering from producing $5 worth of plastic and silicon.
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post #56 of 79
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Who sells a product and it's remote separately? Please name names. Thank you.

Sony PS3 uses an optional remote to control the Blu-Ray DVD for watching movies. Yes you can use the game controller, but you can also buy an optional remote from Sony for this purpose. It's not included.

You can do everything the MB/MBP remote does by some other means on the machines (keyboard, touchpad, mouse), but the remote is now an option.

It's the way of things. They don't include a remote in the Mac Pro either, and will likely not include it in future versions of the iMac if they haven't stopped already.

Move on.
post #57 of 79
Well, with Intel's chipset refresh coming in June, and offering a 2x increase in graphics performance, as well as 1066MHz FSB CPU support for mobile CPUs, and a new Socket B connection for these CPUs, I think I'll wait until July to get a new MacBook.

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post #58 of 79
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Originally Posted by YTV View Post

Apple has absolutely no control over what 3rd party companies make for their products nor their packaging methods.

You didn't read the rest of that guy's post, did you? Apple has plenty of control over it - they are in a position where they could put a lot of pressure on 3rd parties to change their packaging methods.

Trying to work out why companies don't use minimal packaging anyway is tricky. Not only is it more environmentally friendly, it saves money too, on materials and shipping costs.
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Who sells a product and it's remote separately? Please name names. Thank you.

Densen.

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post #60 of 79
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Originally Posted by TheFatWookie View Post

Sony PS3 uses an optional remote to control the Blu-Ray DVD for watching movies. Yes you can use the game controller, but you can also buy an optional remote from Sony for this purpose. It's not included.

It's the way of things. They don't include a remote in the Mac Pro either, and will likely not include it in future versions of the iMac if they haven't stopped already.

Move on.

Why should I? It's reasoning like yours that gives up on things being taken away until you wind up paying for everything ala carte. What's next -an optional battery. You can use it with the AC cord - that should be sufficient by your reasoning! And your Sony PS3 example make no sense because you get a remote via the game controller. Apple should remove the IR receiver from the product if it wants you to use key strokes and save the environment. This is all about making more money- period.
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Densen.

P.S. "it's" means "it is"; the apostrophe represents the missing "i". You should use "its" to mean "belonging to it".

Thank you for the correction. Don't sentences usually begin with a capital letter?
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Thank you for the correction. Don't sentences usually begin with a capital letter?

wow...really people?
post #63 of 79
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Sony PS3 uses an optional remote to control the Blu-Ray DVD for watching movies. Yes you can use the game controller, but you can also buy an optional remote from Sony for this purpose. It's not included.

The controller IS the remote. The separate one is just a more conventional remote shape.

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You can do everything the MB/MBP remote does by some other means on the machines (keyboard, touchpad, mouse), but the remote is now an option.

All that assumes that you are at the machine rather than several feet away. Besides, where is that menu button to call up front row?

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It's the way of things. They don't include a remote in the Mac Pro either, and will likely not include it in future versions of the iMac if they haven't stopped already.

The comparison fails. The Mac Pro never had an IR reciever at all, there's no way a remote could work with it without a third party add-on. I think that's unfortunate, it seems like they could have included one when they revised the faceplate.

I think with an iMac, it's possible they will drop it, but it's less likely because they're trying to promote that as an entertainment system for the den.
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The Mac Pro never had an IR reciever at all. I think that's unfortunate, it seems like they could have included one when they revised the faceplate.

That would be a bad place to put it. Towers are often on the floor and out of the way. When the new Cinema Displays come outif they come outI suspect they will included, along with high-res iSight cameras, in the display on the USB bus.

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I think with an iMac, it's possible they will drop it, but it's less likely because they're trying to promote that as an entertainment system for the den.

I think they included the remotes to promote Front Row, but I think they may even drop them from the iMac now that AppleTV is gaining some headway.

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AppleTV is currently #161 and #518 on Amazon for the 160GB and 40GB models, respectively, for "all electronics". And #1 on Amazon for the 160GB model for "video capture devices" and #49 for the 40GB model for "networking & online communications".

There is only one media extender even registers as competition and that is because it's a PVR, too. On top of that, it only competes with the 40GB ranking and not the 160GB AppleTV ranking.

The point of that is show, IMO, that remotes are no longer needed as the AppleTV will promote itself as the entertainment center for the Den.
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post #65 of 79
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Not everyone wants the remote. It's a good way for Apple to make more money and produce less waste (an unused remote is waste).

Agreed.

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Who sells a product that uses a remote without including the remote? NOBODY!
I can understand not including certain cables but the machine accepts a remote- INCLUDE IT!
This is a bad business policy and hurts goodwill. Not everybody already owns the remote- this is CHEESY.

As stated by Mr. H it's a waste of money and resources for Apple to give it away to everyone, because not everyone uses it. Financially for Apple it makes no sense to keep including them.

We should be glad Apple isn't wasting it's money on giving away silly remotes, I'd much rather see them spend that money on R&D for better products in the future.
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This is all about making more money- period.

Exactly...can you blame them? I'm sure they have looked into the whole situation and found that many people never used the remote even with it being free. Here's a quick "what if" scenario for you:

Let's say they sell 1 million laptops. At the $19 retail value they just saved $19 million.

Then, suppose half of those people wanted the remote. 500,000 * $19 = 9.5 million.

So, not only did they initially save $19 million by not including it with every laptop, they also made some profit off of the ones they ended up selling to people who would actually use them and not waste them.

So you're right, it is all about the money. I wouldn't mind an extra $28.5 million in my pocket. Even for Apple that's a lot of money that could be put to good use.
post #67 of 79
I'm on the verge of buying a MB or a MBP.
Right now I'm tempted to buy the MBP base-model with 250GB HD and upgrade the RAM to 4GB myself.

Does the decrease in L2-cache make that huge of a difference?
Seriously.
I do understand the importance of CPU-cache (to a certain extend),
but do I really have to be angry with Apple for 1MB less?

MB or MBP, whichever I get, it will be my primary computer and I want it to last long, a work well. (going for "Teh Snappy")

And on a sidenote; I'm planning to buy a 3.5" 750GB Samsung HD with 32MB of cache for Timemachine backups.
Should I go for a case with USB2.0 and FW400, or one with aforementioned and FW800?
Does it make a noticable difference when backing up or writing data on the MBP if I use FW800 rather than FW400?
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I'm on the verge of buying a MB or a MBP.
Right now I'm tempted to buy the MBP base-model with 250GB HD and upgrade the RAM to 4GB myself.

Does the decrease in L2-cache make that huge of a difference?
Seriously.
I do understand the importance of CPU-cache (to a certain extend),
but do I really have to be angry with Apple for 1MB less?

MB or MBP, whichever I get, it will be my primary computer and I want it to last long, a work well. (going for "Teh Snappy")

And on a sidenote; I'm planning to buy a 3.5" 750GB Samsung HD with 32MB of cache for Timemachine backups.
Should I go for a case with USB2.0 and FW400, or one with aforementioned and FW800?
Does it make a noticable difference when backing up or writing data on the MBP if I use FW800 rather than FW400?

What are you going to use it for as your "primary computer?" Word processing? Light Photoshop and a little Garage Band? Cranking out full 3D statistical models of all the dark matter in the cosmos? Your choice will depend on what you're using it for.
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If you decide to buy the MB, you would not need the FW800 port for the external drive. However, if you are going for the MBP, then pay the extra few quid as the transfers speed doubles.
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Originally Posted by mangochutney View Post

I'm on the verge of buying a MB or a MBP.
Right now I'm tempted to buy the MBP base-model with 250GB HD and upgrade the RAM to 4GB myself.

Does the decrease in L2-cache make that huge of a difference?
Seriously.
I do understand the importance of CPU-cache (to a certain extend),
but do I really have to be angry with Apple for 1MB less?

MB or MBP, whichever I get, it will be my primary computer and I want it to last long, a work well. (going for "Teh Snappy")

And on a sidenote; I'm planning to buy a 3.5" 750GB Samsung HD with 32MB of cache for Timemachine backups.
Should I go for a case with USB2.0 and FW400, or one with aforementioned and FW800?
Does it make a noticable difference when backing up or writing data on the MBP if I use FW800 rather than FW400?

1) The L2 Cache issue is yet untested, as far as I know, but the performance for SantaRosa/Penryn over Santa Rosa/Merom is still noticeable.
2) Apple isn't the reason the Santa Rosa/Penryn chips have lass L2 over the previous model. It's the way Intel designed the chips.
3) FW800 will be noticeably faster than FW400, but this isn't an option if you get a MB.
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Exactly...can you blame them? I'm sure they have looked into the whole situation and found that many people never used the remote even with it being free. Here's a quick "what if" scenario for you:

Let's say they sell 1 million laptops. At the $19 retail value they just saved $19 million.

Then, suppose half of those people wanted the remote. 500,000 * $19 = 9.5 million.

So, not only did they initially save $19 million by not including it with every laptop, they also made some profit off of the ones they ended up selling to people who would actually use them and not waste them.

So you're right, it is all about the money. I wouldn't mind an extra $28.5 million in my pocket. Even for Apple that's a lot of money that could be put to good use.

Fine, and when Apple starts charging you for the battery as an option enjoy paying for that too. All that money they will make on the batteries will be only put to good use-right?
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I'll do all the usual stuff; consuming media (my iTunes-DB holds around 7000 songs), surfing the web, editing photos (PS and iPhoto), editing movies (but not that much), I want to build my own website.

Nothing special, so to say.
For this the MB should be sufficient, but if I have the possibility, I surely would play the occasional game (MaxPayne2, KotOR1&2, Republic Commando, Ghost Recon...), which would be possible only on a MBP.


I think - correct me if I am wrong - a Mac has a higher lifetime-value than most (almost all) PCs. I'm planning to use the MB/MBP for at least four years, and I don't know which one of both is the more durable one.
I treat electronics very carefully, I've never lost one device due to improper handling or accidents.

It's hard to decide upon which one to buy, because I currently have the money to afford the MBP with the upgrades I mentioned above.
  • the MBP is slightly bigger, but has a bigger screen and a higher resolution
  • The MB has a longer battery-life, but I would be willing to invest in a second one for either model
  • the MBP has a real graphics card, and not a bad one either
  • the MBPs wifi-performance is lower than the MBs
  • I can upgrade the MBs harddrive myself
  • Completely subjective: I like the aluminium enclosure better

It quite a hard decision.
I'm a student and I don't like to buy things that last only two years.
My current laptop is a IBM Thinkpad R52, which I've been using for three years now.
(But I've had enough of Windows, hence the upcoming switch)

Thanks for the info on FW800,

and solipsism, you're saying that a current 2.4GHz Penryn based MBP should be faster than a 2.4GHz Merom based MBP?
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For this the MB should be sufficient, but if I have the possibility, I surely would play the occasional game (MaxPayne2, KotOR1&2, Republic Commando, Ghost Recon...), which would be possible only on a MBP.

Sounds like the MBP if you wanna play those games.
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and solipsism, you're saying that a current 2.4GHz Penryn based MBP should be faster than a 2.4GHz Merom based MBP?

I was refering to chip-over-chip pricing from Intel which makes the 2.4GHz Santa Rosa/Penryn the successor to the 2.2GHz Santa Rosa/Merom.

That is a good question regarding speed for the exact same GHz. Does Penryn over Merom make a difference in efficiency? Does the L2 Cache come into play at this point? Will SSE4 have an significant impact when programs start utilizing it? I can't begin to answer any of these questions without empirical data.
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If you decide to buy the MB, you would not need the FW800 port for the external drive. However, if you are going for the MBP, then pay the extra few quid as the transfers speed doubles.

It's not a matter of need or benefit, it's just a matter of whether the port is available. It's not as if the MacBook is a weak machine, I'm pretty sure that most buyers really don't need the immense amount of power that is packed inside it. The difference between the MB and MBP is mostly just that of a few amenities - worthwhile ones, but the differences are pretty small.
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Fine, and when Apple starts charging you for the battery as an option enjoy paying for that too. All that money they will make on the batteries will be only put to good use-right?

Comparing the battery to the remote is absurd. The battery is a necessity for your laptop to work. Without it, it becomes a desktop.
Without the remote, no necessary function of your laptop is effected. Without a battery you have changed the whole makeup of the laptop.

You need to find a better comparison to have a legitimate argument. By saying batteries and remotes are on the same page, would be like saying the engine and cruise control have the same significance in a car. Which obviously, they don't.
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It's not a matter of need or benefit, it's just a matter of whether the port is available. It's not as if the MacBook is a weak machine, I'm pretty sure that most buyers really don't need the immense amount of power that is packed inside it. The difference between the MB and MBP is mostly just that of a few amenities - worthwhile ones, but the differences are pretty small.

That's exactly what I mean.
As of now a MBP with 4GB of RAM and a 250GB HD would cost me 1765,-
while a MB with comparable specs would cost me 1350,-
415,- is pretty much money for a student like me, but I think those little positive differences (larger screen, higher resolution, LED-backlight, NVidia graphics, FW800, a standard DVI-port, metal-enclosure) could justify it over time.

What do you guys think?
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That's exactly what I mean.
As of now a MBP with 4GB of RAM and a 250GB HD would cost me 1765,-
while a MB with comparable specs would cost me 1350,-
415,- is pretty much money for a student like me, but I think those little positive differences (larger screen, higher resolution, LED-backlight, NVidia graphics, FW800, a standard DVI-port, metal-enclosure) could justify it over time.

What do you guys think?

415 is not inconsequential, especially for a student, but it does sound like you'll make use of the little things the MBP has that the MB doesn't. I have to say, in your case, I'd recommend the MBP, if you can afford it. Most people I'd say the MB, but it looks like over time you'll have a better experience with the MBP.

Just my 2 cents... which is hardly worth 2 cents anymore.
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"I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused."
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Originally Posted by noirdesir View Post

That is just a feature of glossy displays and the main reason why graphic professionals overwhelmingly prefer matte displays (and cried foul and murder when the iMacs with the glossy screens came out).
[And yes, some graphic professionals are happy with an iMac.]

Ahhh... thanks man. I knew I didn't like the glossy display on an iMac when they had a dvd playing and it was as someone said... "watch yourself watch a movie".
The Macbook air was seriously bad. You had to be perfectly in front of the display, or suddenly all color and whites were muted to a yellowish dull color.

Oh, and I am a graphic designer who deals with a lot of pre-press issue's and of course, color specific content. My 23" Cinema display has been ok, but thats because it's a pretty damn big surface and you don't move your head enough to see a change.

Thanks for the advise on the glossy display.
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